Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

[Falcon29]

Israeli undercover force was exposed in Jenin, West Bank, and now Israeli terrorists are invading Jenin. This is not Gaza. It's the territory where Israel supposedly made peace with. And PA surrendered all their arms.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720185335638790294

 

[Tamerlane]

Something that no one seems to have pointed out is that if this kind of attack was happening anywhere else in 99% of the world the population would have fled. There would have been 2 million people on the Egyptian border and Egypt would have been ordered by US/Israel to open the gates to let them in. Gaza would have been empty in 48 hours, and that's what the US/Israel were expecting.

Against all expectations Palestinians seem to have nerves of steel, men, woman and children. They're refusing to move out of their homes even as bombs are falling on them. They prefer to die rather than run.

They seem to have an inhuman level of fearlessness. I don't know if this is a permanent characteristic of Palestinians or God has removed fear from them in recent times. Whatever it is, it is awe inspiring to see. They are fighting on behalf of all Muslims against the enemies of Islam.

 

[epebble]

There is some subtle politics in that. In the 1980's and 1990's, many U.S. administrations were unhappy with the settlement activity and tried to squeeze Israel whenever they could. For example, see this action by George H.W. Bush:

How ‘lonely little’ George H.W. Bush changed the US-Israel relationship

The 41st president beat AIPAC, but lost 24% of his Jewish backing after confronting Israel over the settlements; it's a lesson US leaders since have taken to heart

www.timesofisrael.com

But the dynamics changed after 9/11 (along with the lack of much success with Oslo process). It became easy to take political cover for supporting Israel under the umbrella of fighting the war on terror. Now, of course, Israelis are well aware of it and they are cashing the 'War on Terror' Mastercard for the full credit limit and then some.

Even post 9/11, there was some bad blood during Obama administration. Hotheaded Netanyahu butted head with coolheaded Obama because of his maximalist politics.

Inside Barack Obama and Benjamin Netanyahu's Strained Relationship

The Obama-Netanyahu relationship has been strained from the get-go.

abcnews.go.com

 

[dBSPL]

Izz ad-Din al-Qassam was one of the greatest mujahideen of the 20th century. He waged Jihad against the British, the French, the Italians and their collaborators and spent his life for the freedom of Muslims in a vast geography that today includes 4-5 countries.

I occasionally draw attention to this symbolology because there is a very important detail here.

Today, the al-Qassan brigades continue to honor his name. With their epic struggle, the nameless mujahideen of al-Qassan Brigades are breaking the chains in the minds of millions of young people in 7 continents. They carry an unquenchable fire, and the enemy does not realize that the fire will not be extinguished with the fall of mortal bodies. One of the most important things that we cannot explain to outsiders is the mental progression that an individual goes through in becoming a mujahid. Death fear, torture, hunger, all these are worldly emotions, and a mujahid is a person who is free from worldly desires, whose sole aim is to win the pleasure of Allah cc and whose dream of martyrdom, which is the highest rank in religion, has completely overcome his sense of self and ego.


Death is just wedding day of a mujahid, and when a mujahid falls to the ground, the soil watered with the blood of martyrs to raises many more.
You can understand this spirit and this devotion and mujahidism in countless works with different mysticism or Sufi approaches in dozens of different languages in Islamic geographies. This belief cannot be eradicated by any genocide or any horror. Every bullet fired at the mujahideen deepens the grave of their enemies.

It would be much more rational for Westerners to understand the 1400-year legacy of Islamic ideology and the dynamics that somehow brought it back from the brink of collapse everytime through real historical cases, rather than believing in the selling of heavenly plots by idiot evangelists who believe that by helping the Zionists they are guaranteed to go to heaven. You are making hell on earth and no, you are also destroying your after life if you believer.

Al-Qassam was ambushed and killed 90 years ago and the British thought they had killed him. But today the spirit of al-Qassam is on the streets of Gaza, no he is not dead. His struggle is still standing. Don't destroy bridges, don't fight a war you can't end. Especially if this war is not your war. Bcs when you have blood on your hands, it is assumed that you agree to take the fight home.

 

[_killuminati_]

When this is over IDF soldier will never be respected ever again among elite forces...
They should probably stick to mathematics and science study ...
Conquer is not in Jewish genes......

They were never respected to begin with. The nation was cursed by God which resulted in its persecution and humiliation wherever they went. In English, just the word "jew" by itself is used as a derogatory term equivalent to greedy and deceitful. These people will never change.

 

[Mustang125]

So something personal I wanted to share with you all, my dad was recently diagnosed with a tumour which although is not malignant but it something the doctors are afraid to operate on as my dad is 72. As you would imagine I have been deeply affected by this but I kid you not the one thing my dad was worried about as he loves to follow news was the innocent and oppressed Muslims in gaza he said to me that I have lived my life to the fullest but we should never stop showing support to oppressed Muslims around us. Mind you, and I don’t want to bring a religious angle but this is a pure bred Shia MUSLIM saying this to me and I it gave me a lot of energy. Lastly please pray for my father guys but also pray for the innocents who are not old and have tumours but are still in danger of losing their lives.

 

[Falcon29]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720193128408473923

 

[lightning F57]

But the question was, if Palestinians are not able to control Hamas and are hostage to Hamas, then Israel has all the right to attack Hamas and kill them and Palestinians should be thankful to Israel.

Israel already controls Gaza and the West Bank, what world are you living in. An no Palestinians are not thankful for being under occupation for 75 years. Your more stupid than I first thought.

We have already discussed it. You are at fault then. Why did you then let Hamas take charge of your affairs and make you hostage? Why do you then let Hamas attack Israeli citizens from your areas?

For the second time who is "you", I am not Palestinian stop making strawman arguments. Israel has been attacking and killing Palestinians non stop every year every month, wheres your condemnation of that hypocrite.

es, violent resistance is allowed, when you are able to fight. But when you attack their civilians, and then hide behind your civilians, and you have no power and courage to face the opponent's army, then the same thing happens what is happening in Gaza. Yes, your violent resistance is hiding when Israel is bombing you.
Otherwise, please go ahead and do the violent resistance.

Your so-called resistance is known as Jihad now, where you kill non-Muslim civilians in suicide bombings. This violent resistance is not allowed under any International law.

And if you are unable to do violent resistance then you do peaceful resistance. Firerst Intefadah was with stones and the most successful one.

If Hamas and your Jihad had not been there, the fanatic Zionists would have already been defeated as the whole world would have been turned against them.

It is your stupidity of so-called Islamic Jihad, which is making you to suffer.

Violent resistance is allowed when under occupation through any means possible, the targets as I said earlier should be security apparatus and those who are in charge not civilians. Rest of your rant is pointless getting in to as you dont get the basics.

o you also condemn these double standards of Muslims where they demand equal rights and the right to preach and criticize others and convert non-Muslims to Islam, but themselves not ready to give the same equal rights to non-Muslims and ex-Muslims?
Do you also condemn these double standards of Muslims when they accept Nagorno Karabakh a part of Azerbaijan, but deny that Israel has any right to exist?

Forced conversations are not allowed in Islam, and any forced conversions if happening should be condemned. Stop trying to derail the topic to Azerbaijan I dont know much about that conflict to comment. When did I ever say Israel does not have the right to exist? stop creating strawmen your arguments are very poor.

Do you allow non-Muslims to start a violent resistance against Muslim countries while they don't give them equal human rights?
Remember, according to Islam, Jihad becomes obligatory when a non-Muslim state does not allow to preach and let people to convert to Islam. So, what if non-Muslims also wage a war against you while you don't allow them to preach and don't let Muslims leave Islam?

You are lying, Jihad is a defensive struggle not offensive like the christian crusaders. Its waged to fight against oppression, you are clueless abour Islam. Which muslim countries are not giving equal human rights, what are the abuses, whats the context you are all over the place here.

 

[JaneBhiDoYaaron]

You are misapplying the No True Scotsman fallacy.

No True Scotsman states that a person who is truly Scottish would not do a bad act. But Scottish people can do such a thing and yet they are still Scottish. Thus the fallacy.

Rules of Islam are completely different. Rules of Islam are just that, rules in a book. Rules are not a person. A person's actions do not change the rules from Quran or Hadith. If someone hates Islam because of X, Y, and Z it has to be because of the rules themselves. If someone wants to disagree with Islam they have to show the rules and regulations they disagree with. A Muslim's behavior is irrelevant to any discussion about Islamophobia unless that action is consistent with the rules of Islam.

This is why Islamophobia is a legitimate term. People say X, Y, and Z about Islam when it is clearly not true.

Example: A cricket player smashes an opposing team member with the bat. This is against the rules of the game. If someone hates cricket because they say people can hit each other with bats then this would make someone crickettphobic, because their fear of getting hit with a bat is not part of the rules.

If someone hates cricket because the game has 3 pins instead of 6 then that would not be phobic because that is based on the rules of the game.

Thanks for showing me “no true Scotsman” which I have not known before as English is not my native language. Anyway I read through true scotsman stuff but point here I am making is different.

It not rules are issue here but interpretation of rules. Rules are same but interpretation are widely different. ISIS uses same Quran which Dr. Abdul Kalam read but both interpreted so differently that Kalam is so much revered by non muslims and ISIS creates fear and hate in non muslims. FYI, ISIS would not hesitate to kill Kalam by declaring him murtadd.

The day there is a very sizable crazy population interpreting Quran in their violant way, sane would not be able to stand up and than new interpretaion of same rule emerges. You have seen this misuse by Taliban. That is what I was explaining with how meaning of word Jihad has evolved.

Anyways this is not the thread or forum to discuss so please forgive me, I will give it rest on this topic as understandably emotions are high in this thread.

Jihad is Justice and Purity and the only Godly way to stand up to oppression.


Jihad is the justice of God done in the most humane way possible. Better than the UN principles of war.


In Islamic Jihad no woman children animals or even the environment can be damaged.

Only a Just Jihad will save the Palestinians.



Every Muslim is a Jihadi after the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians.

Allahuakbar

I know very well meaning of Jihad in old times but same is not true not anymore. Ask anyone including most young Muslims what Jihad is and there is only one answer and that I already mentioned.

Again your message highlighted in bold is old interpretation and less and less population believe that based on actions happening.

 

[lightning F57]

I know very well meaning of Jihad in old times but same is not true not anymore. Ask anyone including most young Muslims what Jihad is and there is only one answer and that I already mentioned.

Again your message highlighted in bold is old interpretation and less and less population believe that based on actions happening.

You are wrong, where you getting this information from that most young muslims believe Jihad to be a violent struggle? I would guess its fox news and crappy western media outlets.

 

[Musings]

So something personal I wanted to share with you all, my dad was recently diagnosed with a tumour which although is not malignant but it something the doctors are afraid to operate on as my dad is 72. As you would imagine I have been deeply affected by this but I kid you not the one thing my dad was worried about as he loves to follow news was the innocent and oppressed Muslims in gaza he said to me that I have lived my life to the fullest but we should never stop showing support to oppressed Muslims around us. Mind you, and I don’t want to bring a religious angle but this is a pure bred Shia MUSLIM saying this to me and I it gave me a lot of energy. Lastly please pray for my father guys but also pray for the innocents who are not old and have tumours but are still in danger of losing their lives.

Thank you for sharing something so personal brother - I will pray for him and his family. My mother has cancer and it’s heartbreaking to see her slowly disappearing. She too is mortified at the way kids are being murdered.
Wish all could live in peace

 

[Mustang125]

Thank you for sharing something so personal brother - I will pray for him and his family. My mother has cancer and it’s heartbreaking to see her slowly disappearing. She too is mortified at the way kids are being murdered.
Wish all could live in peace

Thank you brother, I will make sure me and my family including kids pray for your mother tonight.

 

[lightning F57]

So something personal I wanted to share with you all, my dad was recently diagnosed with a tumour which although is not malignant but it something the doctors are afraid to operate on as my dad is 72. As you would imagine I have been deeply affected by this but I kid you not the one thing my dad was worried about as he loves to follow news was the innocent and oppressed Muslims in gaza he said to me that I have lived my life to the fullest but we should never stop showing support to oppressed Muslims around us. Mind you, and I don’t want to bring a religious angle but this is a pure bred Shia MUSLIM saying this to me and I it gave me a lot of energy. Lastly please pray for my father guys but also pray for the innocents who are not old and have tumours but are still in danger of losing their lives.

Wish you and your family all the best especially your dad.

Thank you for sharing something so personal brother - I will pray for him and his family. My mother has cancer and it’s heartbreaking to see her slowly disappearing. She too is mortified at the way kids are being murdered.
Wish all could live in peace

Mothers are the bed rock of society. I do wonder if there were more women rulers maybe there would be less violence in the world. All the best to your mum too.

 

[p100]

Thanks for showing me “no true Scotsman” which I have not known before as English is not my native language. Anyway I read through true scotsman stuff but point here I am making is different.

It not rules are issue here but interpretation of rules. Rules are same but interpretation are widely different. ISIS uses same Quran which Dr. Abdul Kalam read but both interpreted so differently that Kalam is so much revered by non muslims and ISIS creates fear and hate in non muslims. FYI, ISIS would not hesitate to kill Kalam by declaring him murtadd.

The day there is a very sizable crazy population interpreting Quran in their violant way, sane would not be able to stand up and than new interpretaion of same rule emerges. You have seen this misuse by Taliban. That is what I was explaining with how meaning of word Jihad has evolved.

Anyways this is not the thread or forum to discuss so please forgive me, I will give it rest on this topic as understandably emotions are high in this thread.

I know very well meaning of Jihad in old times but same is not true not anymore. Ask anyone including most young Muslims what Jihad is and there is only one answer and that I already mentioned.

Again your message highlighted in bold is old interpretation and less and less population believe that based on actions happening.

Another english term is the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Basically it means this - the less a person knows about a subject the smarter they think they are.

I hope this does not come off as rude but your knowledge about Islam is so low you fall into the Dunning-Kruger Effect where you think you know what you are talking about, but actually know very little. This applies to everyone when it comes to most topics they discuss.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

You are also a product of those r@pes buddy

You should write Punjab regiment in father column of your identity card

Yeah, that's coming from a Punjabi Muslim who claims to have an Arab father.
If Indian forces hadn't provided protection after the Pakistan army's surrender in Dhaka, Yahya Khan (infamous as the 'Butcher of Baluchistan) and the Pakistani army there might have got butchered by Bengali militants. Bangladesh continues to express grievances about not receiving the prisoners of war.
The Arabs, whom you Pakistanis worship in the name of Islam, have also been responsible for slaughtering your ancestors in history.