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rather than just focusing on one projects(like the US land warrior system or french FELIN system),lets have a broader view of the concept and it's pro/cons.the system integration and how the concept fit towards nations' military doctrine

one thing that i really hate to see is while all them major acquisition is made(combat aircraft,tanks,etc),infantry need is always being put at the bottom of the list.
 
I don't believe we will be seeing things like power suits. They are playing with them in some experiments, but there's always a cord running to the electrical mains. Any power suit has electrical and hydraulic requirements that would drain a battery in minutes.

What we absolutely will see (and already are seeing) is equipment that makes each soldier part of a network. Headgear will contain navigational aids, comm gear including digital text, 4th gen. night vision, and possibly a reticle slaved to his weapon, much like a fighter jet's HUD.
 
India's future soldier program aims at equiping infantrymen with palmtops ,and a link to their "buddy-soldiers " aimed at enabling them to call for indirect fire accurately ....basically its a tendency to move away from platform centric capability to network centric capability. Such enhancements would be most useful for COIN operations and unconventional warfare rather than a military strike imho.In a war situation armies would still rely on mechanized divisions and air power the most.
 
I don't believe we will be seeing things like power suits. They are playing with them in some experiments, but there's always a cord running to the electrical mains. Any power suit has electrical and hydraulic requirements that would drain a battery in minutes.

What we absolutely will see (and already are seeing) is equipment that makes each soldier part of a network. Headgear will contain navigational aids, comm gear including digital text, 4th gen. night vision, and possibly a reticle slaved to his weapon, much like a fighter jet's HUD.

Sir before i ask u this question i am going to say one thing, don't think of me as a fan boy, this is my personal question.

I have seen in movies (Hollywood of course) about concepts like miniaturized nuclear reactors fitting on your chest (ala Iron man) and another bruce willis movie where a teenage smart feller invents a small battery that can power an entire city.

Now my question is what kind of efforts are being put in to finding such kind of power sources and what do u think about the realization of such endeavors with respect to their time line. I hope u being in military could answer these.
 
Sir before i ask u this question i am going to say one thing, don't think of me as a fan boy, this is my personal question.

I have seen in movies (Hollywood of course) about concepts like miniaturized nuclear reactors fitting on your chest (ala Iron man) and another bruce willis movie where a teenage smart feller invents a small battery that can power an entire city.

Now my question is what kind of efforts are being put in to finding such kind of power sources and what do u think about the realization of such endeavors with respect to their time line. I hope u being in military could answer these.

I know we have physics men on this forum that could provide a much better answer, but the reality now is that such compact "power packs" are fiction. We do have some very cool devices that can be called nuclear batteries for lack of a batter term.

Atomic battery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just about any space probe that goes really deep (much past Mars) needs something like this, as the solar energy is not adequate to keep normal batteries charged via solar panels. Voyager (which has left the solar system) comes to mind.

There is also a concept for a miniature sealed nuclear power plant that could power a town. It is the size of a truck; can be dropped off anywhere, and can provide power for a couple of decades. At the end of its life, it is taken back to the factory for refurbishment. They run on a similar process, using heat to create electricity, no moving parts.

The problem I think is energy density. Getting hundreds of amperes at higher voltages is just not possible out of something that can fit in the palm of your hand. They might be scaled down, but the smaller they get, the less power they can provide.

Maybe some pf the physics guys can explain it better. BTW I thought Iron Man was cool! :victory:
 
I know we have physics men on this forum that could provide a much better answer, but the reality now is that such compact "power packs" are fiction. We do have some very cool devices that can be called nuclear batteries for lack of a batter term.

Atomic battery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just about any space probe that goes really deep (much past Mars) needs something like this, as the solar energy is not adequate to keep normal batteries charged via solar panels. Voyager (which has left the solar system) comes to mind.

There is also a concept for a miniature sealed nuclear power plant that could power a town. It is the size of a truck; can be dropped off anywhere, and can provide power for a couple of decades. At the end of its life, it is taken back to the factory for refurbishment. They run on a similar process, using heat to create electricity, no moving parts.

The problem I think is energy density. Getting hundreds of amperes at higher voltages is just not possible out of something that can fit in the palm of your hand. They might be scaled down, but the smaller they get, the less power they can provide.

Maybe some pf the physics guys can explain it better. BTW I thought Iron Man was cool! :victory:

Me too :smitten: prior to this movie never knew such a comic strip existed. Robert Downey Jr. rocks with his flair and devil may care attitude. Not to forget scarlett johanssen oh lala i just drool :D at her
 
lets get back to reality....

personally i have seen few concepts(the british FIST concept, Singapore ACMS and malaysian own advanced infantry combat prototype) during military expo in KL.

as advanced as it is,imo it actually burden the infantry who wears it. i mean,how does all the equipment(personal computer,GPS,tactical video sharing capability,etc) can give a significant edge to the infantry without all those?

though there are some equipments that in my opinion,do has it's benefits if being issued to an average infantrymen.among those are

1-4th gen NVGs
2-modular LBEs
3-personal tactical radio
 
I don't believe we will be seeing things like power suits. They are playing with them in some experiments, but there's always a cord running to the electrical mains. Any power suit has electrical and hydraulic requirements that would drain a battery in minutes.

What we absolutely will see (and already are seeing) is equipment that makes each soldier part of a network. Headgear will contain navigational aids, comm gear including digital text, 4th gen. night vision, and possibly a reticle slaved to his weapon, much like a fighter jet's HUD.

Just finished reading Starship Troopers and the Forever War, both of them feature powersuits prominently. Recall either you or gambit are big science fiction fans.
 
I love science fiction. Joe Haldeman's "Forever War" is one of the best. Haldeman was a Vietnam Vet and saw combat.

I think with the miniaturization of electronics, you can have inside of a helmet, totally integrated, a GPS, comm equipment, quality night vision, visor-displayed text messages, and the like, and it won't weigh much more than a normal helmet. Beyond that, I can't see much more that would actually be effective.

There is a thing called "input overload" and is common with pilots. If there is too much information, soon much of it will be ignored. A soldier needs to have the ability to filter the information - kill the text, format any display to his own liking, etc. Otherwise, he will be processing all this cool data while someone walks up and sticks a bayonet in him.
 

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