French Rafale F3R boasts new Meteor “game-changer” missile

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Rafale is overrated on this board. It is inferior to F-16 and F-15E

F-16 and F-15 are same design generation as Mirage 2000. Rafale is a much newer design.

 

[Fus Ro Dah]

The PAF is equipped with AMRAAM.
The PL-15 will engage the IAF far further.



Can you find the reference. Here is the publication;

Chinese and Russian air-launched weapons: a test for Western air dominance

Stay one step ahead of world defence trends with The Military Balance 2018, the essential resource for those in security policymaking, analysis and research.

www.iiss.org

Old report.
This is a much newer one which actually compares PL-15 with meteor

Russian and Chinese Combat Air Trends: Current Capabilities and Future Threat Outlook

This Whitehall Report examines Russian and Chinese combat air trends, and looks specifically at fast jets and their weapons systems and capabilities.

www.rusi.org

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Old report.
This is a much newer one which actually compares PL-15 with meteor

Russian and Chinese Combat Air Trends: Current Capabilities and Future Threat Outlook

This Whitehall Report examines Russian and Chinese combat air trends, and looks specifically at fast jets and their weapons systems and capabilities.

www.rusi.org

PL-15 is more like the next generation AIM-260, not like AIM-120D. PL-12 is similar to AIM-120.

 

[Gomig-21]

@Gomig-21

Bro, the tag system doesn't seem to be working on this forum anymore. I don't get any tags and the ones I send out seem to also fall of deaf ears. I just happened to stumble on this thread and noticed the tag.

Anyhoo, I read about this recently and it's great news. Hopefully the EAF gets its promised shipment of these meteor missiles to go with its Rafales (as well as maybe Dassault picks up the option for 12 more jets, too) and they can make the integration right in Egypt. The Rafale's entire environment supports all the tools and spaces for this type of integration and others so they wouldn't need to fly all the jets to France to make the integration. We'll have to wait and see how it goes but we should find out soon enough.

If the EAF Rafales get their Meteors and the MiG35s have their R-77-1s and R-27ERs and the Su-35SEs come with the R-27ERs also but if somehow Russia supplies the R-37M hypersonic missile with the Su-35s, there will be nothing better out there. Only one other country is sporting anything close to the potency of the R-37M.

 

[MMM-E]

Is F3R the version Greece gets? If so AESA + ramjet BVR gives Greece a decisive advantage over 90s era Turkish F-16C in the Aegean.

Turkey bought S400 Air Defense Systems which can engane on Greek RAFALEs over the Aegean

S400 is the best Air Defense System in the World gives a decisive advantage to Turkey over the Aegean and in the Eastern Mediterranean



btw if needed , in a conflict Turkish Ballistic and Cruise Missiles BORA , SOM , ATMACA can turn Greek RAFALE Jets into crap of metal in Jet Hangars

all Greek Air Bases - Jet Hangars are in range of Turkish Missiles

even Turkey doesnt need Fighter Jets to match with Greece ............... Hundreds of Turkish Ballistic and Cruise Missiles will be enough to wipe out Greek Airforce

Block 50 is 90s era block. It has mechanical radar. Only Block 60 / 70 have AESA.

who cares about AESA ?

192 Turkish F-16s have network centric warfare capability with Link-16 datalink to use Turkish Airforce's Boeing E-7T AEWC's 600km Radar to detect and engage Greek Rafale Jets


S400 + Boeing E7T AEWC + F-16 block52 with 120km AIM-120C7 networked air to air missiles

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

S400 is the best Air Defense System in the World gives a decisive advantage to Turkey over the Aegean and in the Eastern Mediterranean

According to Chinese TV S-400 radar is very bad which is why Russia developed S-500 to replace S-400. Does Turkey have plans to buy S-500 from Russia?

 

[waz]

Old report.
This is a much newer one which actually compares PL-15 with meteor

Russian and Chinese Combat Air Trends: Current Capabilities and Future Threat Outlook

This Whitehall Report examines Russian and Chinese combat air trends, and looks specifically at fast jets and their weapons systems and capabilities.

www.rusi.org

Yes its propulsion system is superior so hence the NEZ, but lacks range. The PK is debatable.

Also the ramjet powered Chinese PL-21 is well past development and due for testing. At 400km...


potentially an even longer range ramjet-powered hypersonic PL-21 missile. Sources suggest the PL-15 is already in service with a range of 200 kilometres, while the longer range PL-21 is still in development and may have a range up to 400 kilometres.

The return of the interceptor | The Strategist

Every year, the International Institute for Strategic Studies publishes a thorough assessment of the capabilities and defence economics of militaries around the globe. The 2020 edition of The military balance covers 171 countries and provides ...

www.aspistrategist.org.au

 

[Mav3rick]

Rafale is overrated on this board. It is inferior to F-16 and F-15E

And Airbus A-380.

 

[Trango Towers]

Meteor is truly a Godly weapon.

Even British think tank RUSI admitted that Meteor is superior to Chinese PL-15.

Let me know what you think when a plan is up your jacksy

 

[My-Analogous]

Is F3R the version Greece gets? If so AESA + ramjet BVR gives Greece a decisive advantage over 90s era Turkish F-16C in the Aegean.

Ramjet don't have advantage in High altitude. It Frankish over rated tool nothing else

 

[FuturePAF]

Yes its propulsion system is superior so hence the NEZ, but lacks range. The PK is debatable.

Also the ramjet powered Chinese PL-21 is well past development and due for testing. At 400km...


potentially an even longer range ramjet-powered hypersonic PL-21 missile. Sources suggest the PL-15 is already in service with a range of 200 kilometres, while the longer range PL-21 is still in development and may have a range up to 400 kilometres.

The return of the interceptor | The Strategist

Every year, the International Institute for Strategic Studies publishes a thorough assessment of the capabilities and defence economics of militaries around the globe. The 2020 edition of The military balance covers 171 countries and provides ...

www.aspistrategist.org.au

Im not sure if this what the final version will look like, but this seems to confirm the PL-21 is definitely underdevelopment.

PL-21 in the weapons bay of the FC-31, back in 2017. Can any one translate what the person is holding up?

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6rnx-QKtoRo/XrCApTz25ZI/AAAAAAAApDA/cikg-h7c9m0qVZK05YFYNag-_GeU--pIwCPcBGAsYHg/s1600/FC-31_PL-21.jpg

 

[wasileo80]

F-16 and F-15 are same design generation as Mirage 2000. Rafale is a much newer design.

Design is not the only thing which matters... Avionics and weapon suit along with net centric and support elements makes situation difficult for any platform. Today's time is not one to one combat. Its net centric, ECM and system integration Vs enemy systems. If you can say Rafale or Euro Fighter can win against latest F-15s, 16s and 18s then you are mistaken.
Yes on Paper its correct that Rafale's AESA is better then Block 52's radar but over all comabt capability cannot be judged on paper or any forums as Block 52's electronic and weapon package is no joke.

Now if you put Rafale or Euro Fighter against F-15 EX or Super Hornet then only the better pilot will make the difference not the newer designs of Euro Fighter and Rafale.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Design is not the only thing which matters... Avionics and weapon suit along with net centric and support elements makes situation difficult for any platform. Today's time is not one to one combat. Its net centric, ECM and system integration Vs enemy systems. If you can say Rafale or Euro Fighter can win against latest F-15s, 16s and 18s then you are mistaken.
Yes on Paper its correct that Rafale's AESA is better then Block 52's radar but over all comabt capability cannot be judged on paper or any forums as Block 52's electronic and weapon package is no joke.

Now if you put Rafale or Euro Fighter against F-15 EX or Super Hornet then only the better pilot will make the difference not the newer designs of Euro Fighter and Rafale.

Rafale has far greater use of composite than F-15. F-15 is practically all metal considering it's an early 70s design. Rafale not only has low RCS incorporated in its design, composites significantly reduce RCS too. F-15 is one big juicy target on radar. Rafale is far more survivable.

 

[wasileo80]

Rafale has far greater use of composite than F-15. F-15 is practically all metal considering it's an early 70s design. Rafale not only has low RCS incorporated in its design, composites significantly reduce RCS too. F-15 is one big juicy target on radar. Rafale is far more survivable.

You are again quoting the wrong example... today's air battles are not 1 vs 1. It involve many supporting assets like AWACS, EW, SAMs, net centric and etc. So if there is any deficiency on one end it can be cover by other side in full spectrum of air warfare. So few advantages can be over ruled by other means of air warfare.

See F-16s, F-18s, F-15s, Eurofighter, Rafale, Saab Grippen NG are originally fourth generation aircrafts and reaches to 4.5 after continuing updates, so not a single aircraft have a clear edge over the other.. overall it will not be a clear win for any of 4 or 4.5 gen jets.

Also F-15 EX also uses composite materials and equiped with AESA, AMRAMM-120D and one of the best ECM and ECCM suites. Do you think French Elctronic warfare suits are better than US?

Even in Pak-India Theatre, their competition is not only limited to longer range missile and AESA radar or composite materials.. Its all about net-centric warfare capability, where all assets will work in synergy with each other. And then it comes to planning of operations and tactics that how one can employ all these net centric assets to have a upper hand.

 

[War Thunder]

Nope, you are wrong.

Your statement was true, before Indians acquired it.
After acquisition by India , it is a world beater.
Better than any aircraft ever produced.

You Sir, should correct your statement immediately. Before you catch the irk of the Indians.

didn't they say the same about the SU-30MKI...
I thought PAF would never dare venture even 50KM's close to the border in presence of SU-30MKI's. Because, apparently the SU-30MKI's would "mop the floor" with anything the PAF could throw at them.
But then the world saw what happened and the bollywood dream was no longer applicable. But then, there is always a new "shiny" savior object to the rescue of the delusional masses.
I wonder what will be the next one after Rafael dissapoints them?

Rafale has far greater use of composite than F-15. F-15 is practically all metal considering it's an early 70s design. Rafale not only has low RCS incorporated in its design, composites significantly reduce RCS too. F-15 is one big juicy target on radar. Rafale is far more survivable.

Which wars did Rafael fight?
Which war had Russian SU- 30MKI's fought before Feb 27, 2019?
Specs are all good on paper till you get into a fight.

Now do you want to find out the active combat engagements of F-15 and F-16 so far and their performance in those encounters?