Four stealth missile boats for PN

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

DA DA DA DAA.....DADAHSHAT .....

 

[FuturePAF]

This Ship is formidable for its displacement, upgrades to look for would include:
1. An Equivalent to the Bofors 40 Mk4 developed by china armed with rounds similar to the bofors 40mm 3p round
2. The CX-1 supersonic antiship missile (8 of these on one platform would be a serious force to reckon with)
3. Thales I-Mast 50 or I-Mast 100 main mast for integrating all sensors in a high position to maximize the sensing capabilities of the vessel
4. Scan Eagle UAV System for over the horizon surveillance

making the vessels just a little bigger to accommodate these capabilities would give the navy a mini-frigate level of punch (minus the air defense; but which could be addressed with pairing a flotilla of 4 FACs with 1 or 2 AAW frigate(s) during an attack)

 

[tarrar]

PN needs to be strengthened in every possible way.

 

[rockstar08]

why are we increasing numbers of Missile boats ? why not F-22p's ??
our 5 frigates are babe adam ke daur ki ships ... after they retire we will have a huge number gap ..

this is stealth missile boat ..........

this is F-22p , why not more these ?

 

[HariPrasad]

Boats look very nice.

 

[SQ8]

why are we increasing numbers of Missile boats ? why not F-22p's ??
our 5 frigates are babe adam ke daur ki ships ... after they retire we will have a huge number gap ..

Cheaper to produce whilst offering the ability to attack targets without coming into their detection range.

 

[rockstar08]

Cheaper to produce whilst offering the ability to attack targets without coming into their detection range.

yeah that is one big benefit of a missile boat .. mobility and less detection ... but we are out of Frigates . we cant just relay on MB ? we are out of Frigates , let alone the DDG's ..

 

[monitor]

Just found it I am not sure whether it will be suitable for Pakistan it price seems very attractive
Price of Stealth Fast Missile Patrol Vessel trimaran : $15 Million
The hull costs $15 Million without any sensor and weapons
This doesn't include any sensors or weapons
Indonesia is equipping it with :
Sensor:
Sea Giraffe 1X 3D compact radar
CEROS 200
9LV CMS
ESM

Armament :
4 RBS-15 mk3
1 Bofors 40 Mk4

 

[FuturePAF]

Just found it I am not sure whether it will be suitable for Pakistan it price seems very attractive
Price of Stealth Fast Missile Patrol Vessel trimaran : $15 Million
The hull costs $15 Million without any sensor and weapons
This doesn't include any sensors or weapons
Indonesia is equipping it with :
Sensor:
Sea Giraffe 1X 3D compact radar
CEROS 200
9LV CMS
ESM

Armament :
4 RBS-15 mk3
1 Bofors 40 Mk4

(first off none the following is meant as an insult to you; just what i think the PN realistically requires and needs in my humble opinion; having said that i like your out of the box thinking; mixing platforms and sensors to find the right mix for our needs)

while this platform is interesting, two things to keep in mind is the cost; which coming from europe, i doubt this ship really only costs 15 million, and once loaded with sensors it will cost a whole lot more, and second is the role it would play in the pakistan navy; it doesn't fit the mission profile for a PN patrol vessel - i.e. a heavily armed patrol fast attack craft to make up for the small size of the frigate fleet, while having low operating cost to allow alot of at sea patrols, and cheap maintaiance; a toyota corolla of the sea not a bmw 3 series.

Pakistan Should only acquire high tech (transformational) warships from europe to get small amount of super high tech; their prices demand some cutting edge capabilities

The PN needs to just keep upgrading its platforms to keep capabilities just deadly enough to keep the indian navy at bay, but it needs a source of high tech to apply to the whole fleet

one way they can do this is acquire a few platforms and the associated transfer of tech (not just building but engineering and naval aritecture training; as the malaysian are doing with france) for a major surface ship; find a platform that will give as much all round high end capabilities without going for the top of the line or even middle of the pack

the PN needs a couple "lower middle" rank platforms to "digest" and learn from
it needs the focus on decent AAW (VL Mica and Aster15; 8 missiles each would be plenty to learn from), low end surface strike (we can do our own surface strike platforms with the chinese) so a few modern exocets; but heavy on the ASW capability and especially on the quietness and build quality of the ship, most advanced electronic management, ECM, comms, C4ISR, combat management and linking with other platforms

something like the Gowind combat corvette (or fm400 variant, but not fremm); with captas 4 towed array, aster 15, Smart S Mk.2 3D radar, and CODLAG/CODLOG propulsion instead of CODAD propulsion would make it a mean ship, buy one from france, and build one in pakistan with full ToT, and buy 2-3 NH-90 ASW helicopters, and you have nearly all the modern capabilities of a modern frigate for $1-1.2 Billion

that is no small change, but it give Pakistan a technological modernity it can apply to its own fast attack craft and frigates
better build quality, better engine=more quieter=better asw=more survivable=force multiplier, modern integrated AAW tech taken from horizon class destroyers and put into a corvette/light frigate just in pakistan's price range

access to the latest ASW tech, AAW missiles, crew training from france, engineers/naval architects trained in france

also we can train with foreign navies and hone our skills against their best, because they would want to train against a modern asw platform to hone their skills

imagine training with a chinese SSN, turkish german-designed quiet ssk, the french navy, and even the US Navy in exercises like RIMPAC; we win some/lose some, but share our experiences and make each other better

all the tech, training, and ways of working from these experiences can tech us how to rebuild our surface fleet into world class navy within our budget

it will also teach us how to build stealthier Fast attack craft, frigates, and eventually destroyers (when we get the money), we may also learn if we needs to rebuilt our current frigates, and fast attack craft to make them as effective as possible (rebuilt as in upgrade)

the PN should be LEAN and MEAN

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Also while we are on the of a french arms deal; it would be perfect for Pakistan to try to bundle a deal to buy the 8-12 of the UAE mirages 2000-9 (with french permission, of course)

absorbing that tech for the JF-17 would give huge benefits to JF-17 electronics capability, and a mirage 2000 platform to train against, for both the PAF (because india operates it) and for the PLAAF because taiwan operates it, and the Turkish Air Force because Greece Flys its.

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and in terms of foreign sales that would really give a boost to the navy, army, and air force would be buying SAABs revolutionary Giraffe 4A radar with GaN AESA tech, the latest tech, buy 3-4 radars now, and absorb the tech, apply it to our ships, fighters, and local radars/guided missiles

 

[FuturePAF]

the Giraffe 4a is also harder to jam, and clutter has been reduced considerably, and it can do alot of tasks at once (these are the types of high tech european platforms to acquire, and then learn from an apply to home made products and build a hybrid, lower cost decent enough for to keep the indians at bay)

 

[Nike]

Indonesian warships began to glance neighboring countries

Indonesian Made Fast Boat Missile, KRI Sampari

Today 17:37
Jakarta (ANTARA News) - President Director of PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) M. Firmansyah Arifin said they were proud because now Indonesian warships began ogled by a number of neighboring countries, after successfully exported to the Philippines.

"Product of the nation are now beginning to be taken into account in another country. This is not the origin of the way, because Myanmar also has expressed interest," said Firman in the maritime field Ministry Office in Jakarta on Tuesday.

Indonesia, through the state-owned shipbuilding company based in Surabaya, East Java, it has managed to export two types of warships "strategic sealift vessel" (SSV) to the Ministry of Defense of the Philippines.

According to Firman, two warships measuring 123 meters long and 21.8 meters wide it is the main tool weapon system (defense equipment) first Indonesian exported to other countries. Delivery of the first ship has been carried out with a contract of 28 months while the second ship of about 36 months.

SOEs that won the international tender worth 90 million dollars against seven companies of which South Korea.

"We won because of the experience. Because the Philippine military wants to believe that the ship ordered it has been used in our country," he said, adding that such ships are also used in the country of which KRI Banda Aceh who helped evacuate tail AirAsia plane that crashed.

In accordance with government regulations, the level of domestic content (DCL) warships are exported, according to Firman already comply with regulations that 30-35 percent.

It also guarantees a metal plate for warships built for two years was 100 percent use of locally made products from PT Krakatau Steel (Persero) Tbk.

Firman hopes, with export success warships to the Philippines that could invite a similar investment from other countries. According to him, this year there are plans to Pakistan, Brunei and Thailand are planning to buy a boat made in Indonesia.

"This January of Pakistan will come to see. But they will not go to look for SSV instead they came for fast ship missile (KCR)," he said.

Kapal perang Indonesia mulai dilirik negara tetangga - ANTARA News

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

@madokafc whats a fast ship missile (KCR)?

 

[niaz]

yeah that is one big benefit of a missile boat .. mobility and less detection ... but we are out of Frigates . we cant just relay on MB ? we are out of Frigates , let alone the DDG's ..

If we are planning for essentially a defensive ‘Brown Water’ navy; about 8 state of the art missile carrying FAC, 4 modern Mine Hunters and 6 modern Frigates along with 6 state of the art Hunter Killer Subs for the sea going fleet supplement by 8 PC-3 Orions & one squadron (16 to 18) of JF-17 armed with anti-ship missiles should be just about adequate for the defence of the relatively small Pakistani coast line.

However state of the art missile boats are not cheap. 4 Ambassador MKIII missile boats for the Egyptian Navy built by VT Halter Marine with 2000 nm range and 8 days endurance cost $1.3-million that is a little over $300-miilion each. These 500 ton boats pack a powerful punch because each is armed with 8 Harpoons, Phalanx CIWS, I X 76 mm canon, 2 X 7.62 machine guns and one RIM-116 SAM is carried for air defence.

 

[MilSpec]

Also while we are on the of a french arms deal; it would be perfect for Pakistan to try to bundle a deal to buy the 8-12 of the UAE mirages 2000-9 (with french permission, of course)
absorbing that tech for the JF-17 would give huge benefits to JF-17 electronics capability, and a mirage 2000 platform to train against, for both the PAF (because india operates it) and for the PLAAF because taiwan operates it, and the Turkish Air Force because Greece Flys its.

I wonder why would dassualt do that?

 

[rockstar08]

If we are planning for essentially a defensive ‘Brown Water’ navy; about 8 state of the art missile carrying FAC, 4 modern Mine Hunters and 6 modern Frigates along with 6 state of the art Hunter Killer Subs for the sea going fleet supplement by 8 PC-3 Orions & one squadron (16 to 18) of JF-17 armed with anti-ship missiles should be just about adequate for the defence of the relatively small Pakistani coast line.

However state of the art missile boats are not cheap. 4 Ambassador MKIII missile boats for the Egyptian Navy built by VT Halter Marine with 2000 nm range and 8 days endurance cost $1.3-million that is a little over $300-miilion each. These 500 ton boats pack a powerful punch because each is armed with 8 Harpoons, Phalanx CIWS, I X 76 mm canon, 2 X 7.62 machine guns and one RIM-116 SAM is carried for air defence.

I do agree with you , but my only concern is that our type 21 Frigates are over used , and will be retired soon, all of them and 5-6 of them will create a huge gap in PN , do we even have any plans to cover up this Gap ?? we should have 6 F-22p's by now , we already have 4 i believe we are short of 2 ... and there were rumors to take type-54a Frigates from China , no news on that too