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Like u many have already stated that point...read the previous discussion...refer to my reply in post #22Because its the elite club , and has real power .
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Like u many have already stated that point...read the previous discussion...refer to my reply in post #22Because its the elite club , and has real power .
That's not how prestige works.To them they think they are prestigious.
No what we have got till now is only tip of iceberg, mejority thing is still locked behind those NSG doors. Btw any update on wassenger and Australia group entry?Why is GoI spending so much diplomatic capital on this NSG thingy when India has already established nuclear trade deals with major Nuclear powers and suppliers?
GoI should just let it be. You have pretty much everything you need already.
It's collective effort to uplift from existing status.That's not how prestige works.
For example Ivy League Universities are considered among some of the most prestigious universities on earth not bcuz those Universities think themselves prestigious but bcuz they have earned respect in the world by producing some of the best scholars, carrying out world class research, etc.
In short prestige doesn't come from a nation thinking highly of itself instead it stems from the rest of the world holding that nation/country in high regard.
So plz elaborate again on how joining the NSG would somehow bring prestige.
I dont need to read delusions , India isn't a exporter of nuclear arms , even conventional arms . India is looking to buy.Like u many have already stated that point...read the previous discussion...refer to my reply in post #22
That's not how prestige works.
For example Ivy League Universities are considered among some of the most prestigious universities on earth not bcuz those Universities think themselves prestigious but bcuz they have earned respect in the world by producing some of the best scholars, carrying out world class research, etc.
In short prestige doesn't come from a nation thinking highly of itself instead it stems from the rest of the world holding that nation/country in high regard.
So plz elaborate again on how joining the NSG would somehow bring prestige.
If domestically it is perceived as a prestigious thing then those ppl perceiving it as such are ill informed. There isn't really anything prestigious about NSG. It's just a bunch of countries coming together to agree on something in the hopes of making this world a better place.You are not incorrect. It's also a matter of perspective too. You are looking at it from a different perspective, me another. I was thinking how it will be perceived domestically in India. Entrance into NSG will give India that it's an accepted nuclear power even though it's a non-NPT state. You could also make the same argument for Pakistan too.
I have no idea. GOI has decided they want to be a NSG memberThat's not how prestige works.
For example Ivy League Universities are considered among some of the most prestigious universities on earth not bcuz those Universities think themselves prestigious but bcuz they have earned respect in the world by producing some of the best scholars, carrying out world class research, etc.
In short prestige doesn't come from a nation thinking highly of itself instead it stems from the rest of the world holding that nation/country in high regard.
So plz elaborate again on how joining the NSG would somehow bring prestige.
No idea what u r talking about mate. U completely deviated from our discussion.I have no idea. GOI has decided they want to be a NSG member
If you think global warming is a problem you need to present India with alternatives for fossil fuels
Wrong analogy. India being a nuclear weapons state makes no difference in NSG. India would have the same power as those non nuclear weapons countries I mentioned. NSG works by consensus. Whereas the 5 countries in UN having veto power compared to all the rest is different. The rule there is that anyone of those five countries can veto any decision.India is seeking entry into NSG as a "Nuclear Weapons State". The countries above in NSG are not NWS.
The difference is like that between the P5 and the rest in UN. Every country is in UN, but only 5 have the power.
New group with Iran/Iraq/Syria other unfriendly states with US and diplomatic blackmail may convince the world powers to finally let Pak join, surely its against NSG interests for Pak to join a new group with US hostile states?We will make a NEW GROUP
Why is GoI spending so much diplomatic capital on this NSG thingy when India has already established nuclear trade deals with major Nuclear powers and suppliers?
GoI should just let it be. You have pretty much everything you need already.
Oh my God.No idea what u r talking about mate. U completely deviated from our discussion.
Wrong analogy. India being a nuclear weapons state makes no difference in NSG. India would have the same power as those non nuclear weapons countries I mentioned. NSG works by consensus. Whereas the 5 countries in UN having veto power compared to all the rest is different. The rule there is that anyone of those five countries can veto any decision.
In any case my comment was about the prestige issue. Read again and reply in that context.