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Former TSMC Exec: US Can't Stop Chinese Chip Advances

The surprise 7nm Huawei chip is just the beginning.

By Ryan Whitwam October 30, 2023
SMIC logo chip

Credit: SMIC

The US government was caught off guard when Huawei announced a smartphone with a homegrown 7nm processor. After years of trade restrictions, it was believed China lacked the equipment to manufacture these advanced chips domestically. As regulators scramble to understand what this means for American semiconductor dominance, a former TSMC executive has suggested this approach is doomed. According to Burn J. Lin, China has what it needs to make even more advanced chips.

The US and its allies have been going after Chinese technology firms for several years, citing concerns about how advanced components based on US technology could be utilized for military purposes. In 2020, the government stepped up its campaign, blocking leading chipmaker TSMC from working with China. This hurt the country's tech sector initially, but we're now seeing a rebound.

Lin, who is well-known in the industry for his early work on immersion lithography, says that it's pointless to try and restrict China's access to Western semiconductor tech. In a rare interview at Taiwan's National Tsing Hua University, Lin said China already has what it needs to move beyond 7nm. Without even acquiring more powerful lithography machines, SMIC should be able to fabricate 5nm chips at scale, reports Bloomberg.

China's SMIC produced the 7nm Kirin 9000S for the Huawei Mate 60 Pro using ASML's NXT:2000i, a deep ultraviolet (DUV) lithography scanner intended for less dense designs. However, SMIC modified the machinery and changed its lithography patterning to improve fabrication precision. The US had previously blocked the sale of extreme ultraviolet lithography devices used at TSMC to produce the most capable semiconductors in the world. That ban has now expanded to DUV, but ASML has until the end of the year to fulfill existing orders.

NXT:2000i lithography machine

The NXT:2000i is one of several DUV systems in use at SMIC that could be used to produce 5nm chips. Credit: ASML

There was concern following the trade restrictions that China could follow through on its frequent threats to invade Taiwan, giving it control of TSMC. However, Lin claims the technology blockade has presented a huge opportunity to China's domestic chip industry. The CCP has adopted a "whole nation strategy" to boost semiconductor manufacturing, which could turn firms like SMIC and YMTC into chip-making juggernauts. They're already well on their way to fulfilling the country's need for advanced microprocessors.

"What the US really should do is to focus on maintaining its chip design leadership instead of trying to limit China’s progress," says Lin. Currently, US regulators are arguing over whether the trade sanctions have failed. Some wish to ramp up efforts to contain
China, but if Lin is to be believed, China will continue to advance domestic technology until it no longer needs Western equipment. :china: :china::china:

China, but if Lin is to be believed, China will continue to advance domestic technology until it no longer needs Western equipment.
 
China can build it...

But when?

Huawei Intros 5nm Kirin 9006C 8-Core SOC In Qingyun L540 Laptops

Hassan Mujtaba•Dec 5, 2023 08:10 AM EST

Huawei has just introduced its brand new Qingyun L540 laptops for Chinese domestic markets which feature the 5nm Kirin 9006C SOC.

Huawei's Latest Laptops For China's Domestic Market Pack 5nm Kirin 9006C SOC With 8 Cores​

The Huawei Qingyun L540 laptops are the follow-up to the L410 series which featured the Kirin 990 SOC. The new laptops utilize the latest 5nm Kirin 9006C SOC which is designed by HiSilicon and adopts a new Arm-based architecture that offers up to 8 cores.

The CPU configuration includes 4 Cortex A77 cores and 4 Cortex A55 cores. The Cortex A77 core module features a single core that operates at up to 3.13 GHz frequencies while the rest of the cores operate at 2.54 GHz. Meanwhile, the Cortex A55 complex operates at up to 2.05 GHz clock speeds. The SOC also features the Mali-G78 MP22 integrated GPU.

Talking about the Huawei Qingyun L540 laptops themselves, they feature a 14-inch panel with a max resolution of up to 2160x1440 and a max refresh rate of 60 Hz. The panel supports a 100% sRGB color gamut. The laptops ship with a built-in 56Wh battery while I/O includes a fingerprint login, an HD camera, 1 USB Type-C port, 2 USB Type-A ports, 1 audio port, 1 HDMI output, and a Mini RJ45 LAN port.

As far as configurations are concerned, the Huawei Qingyun comes with up to 16 GB of memory & up to 512 GB SSD storage. All laptops feature the same Kirin 9006C 8-Core SOC. Huawei Central compiled the full list along with the prices as seen below:


1. 8GB + 256GB Storage variant
  • Tongxin System (trial version) – 6000 yuan [846.47 USD]
  • Customized Tongxin System Enterprise Edition – 6580 yuan [928.29 USD]
  • Customized Tongxin System Enterprise Edition + WPS – 7130 yuan [1005.88 USD]
  • Customized Kirin System Enterprise Edition – 6645 yuan [937.46 USD]
  • Customized Kirin System Enterprise Edition + WPS – 7220 yuan [1018.58 USD]
2. 8GB + 512GB Storage variant
  • Tongxin System (trial version) – 6500 yuan [917.01 USD]
  • Customized Tongxin System Enterprise Edition – 7080 yuan [998.83 USD]
  • Customized Tongxin System Enterprise Edition + WPS – 7630 yuan [1076.42 USD]
  • Customized Kirin System Enterprise Edition – 7100 yuan [1001.65 USD]
  • Customized Kirin System Enterprise Edition + WPS – 7675 yuan [1082.77 USD]
3. 16GB + 512GB Storage variant
  • Tongxin System (trial version) – 7000 yuan [987.54 USD]
  • Customized Tongxin System Enterprise Edition – 7580 yuan [1069.37 USD]
  • Customized Tongxin System Enterprise Edition + WPS – 8130 yuan [1146.96 USD]
  • Customized Kirin System Enterprise Edition – 7545 yuan [1064.43 USD]
  • Customized Kirin System Enterprise Edition + WPS – 8115 yuan [1144.85 USD]
News Sources: Huawei Central, @faridofanani96, @OreXda
 

Huawei Intros 5nm Kirin 9006C 8-Core SOC In Qingyun L540 Laptops

Hassan Mujtaba•Dec 5, 2023 08:10 AM EST

Huawei has just introduced its brand new Qingyun L540 laptops for Chinese domestic markets which feature the 5nm Kirin 9006C SOC.

Huawei's Latest Laptops For China's Domestic Market Pack 5nm Kirin 9006C SOC With 8 Cores​

The Huawei Qingyun L540 laptops are the follow-up to the L410 series which featured the Kirin 990 SOC. The new laptops utilize the latest 5nm Kirin 9006C SOC which is designed by HiSilicon and adopts a new Arm-based architecture that offers up to 8 cores.

The CPU configuration includes 4 Cortex A77 cores and 4 Cortex A55 cores. The Cortex A77 core module features a single core that operates at up to 3.13 GHz frequencies while the rest of the cores operate at 2.54 GHz. Meanwhile, the Cortex A55 complex operates at up to 2.05 GHz clock speeds. The SOC also features the Mali-G78 MP22 integrated GPU.

Talking about the Huawei Qingyun L540 laptops themselves, they feature a 14-inch panel with a max resolution of up to 2160x1440 and a max refresh rate of 60 Hz. The panel supports a 100% sRGB color gamut. The laptops ship with a built-in 56Wh battery while I/O includes a fingerprint login, an HD camera, 1 USB Type-C port, 2 USB Type-A ports, 1 audio port, 1 HDMI output, and a Mini RJ45 LAN port.

As far as configurations are concerned, the Huawei Qingyun comes with up to 16 GB of memory & up to 512 GB SSD storage. All laptops feature the same Kirin 9006C 8-Core SOC. Huawei Central compiled the full list along with the prices as seen below:


1. 8GB + 256GB Storage variant
  • Tongxin System (trial version) – 6000 yuan [846.47 USD]
  • Customized Tongxin System Enterprise Edition – 6580 yuan [928.29 USD]
  • Customized Tongxin System Enterprise Edition + WPS – 7130 yuan [1005.88 USD]
  • Customized Kirin System Enterprise Edition – 6645 yuan [937.46 USD]
  • Customized Kirin System Enterprise Edition + WPS – 7220 yuan [1018.58 USD]
2. 8GB + 512GB Storage variant
  • Tongxin System (trial version) – 6500 yuan [917.01 USD]
  • Customized Tongxin System Enterprise Edition – 7080 yuan [998.83 USD]
  • Customized Tongxin System Enterprise Edition + WPS – 7630 yuan [1076.42 USD]
  • Customized Kirin System Enterprise Edition – 7100 yuan [1001.65 USD]
  • Customized Kirin System Enterprise Edition + WPS – 7675 yuan [1082.77 USD]
3. 16GB + 512GB Storage variant
  • Tongxin System (trial version) – 7000 yuan [987.54 USD]
  • Customized Tongxin System Enterprise Edition – 7580 yuan [1069.37 USD]
  • Customized Tongxin System Enterprise Edition + WPS – 8130 yuan [1146.96 USD]
  • Customized Kirin System Enterprise Edition – 7545 yuan [1064.43 USD]
  • Customized Kirin System Enterprise Edition + WPS – 8115 yuan [1144.85 USD]
News Sources: Huawei Central, @faridofanani96, @OreXda

WOW!!!

This is crazy!

Didn't Huawei just release a 7nm processor a couple of months ago?

I don't know what USA is going to say about it.

7nm and 5nm is not really the problem, our euv prototype iz under testing.

I think if Huawei is releasing 7nm and then 5nm in a very narrow period of time, they must be ready for the EUV machine.

It's like they release it in hurry to anticipate what is coming next.

If not, their investment in 5nm machines will be wasted.
 
WOW!!!

This is crazy!

Didn't Huawei just release a 7nm processor a couple of months ago?

I don't know what USA is going to say about it.



I think if Huawei is releasing 7nm and then 5nm in a very narrow period of time, they must be ready for the EUV machine.

It's like they release it in hurry to anticipate what is coming next.

If not, their investment in 5nm machines will be wasted.
I don't think so, i think we perfected DUV technology to 5nm but euv still requires a few more years of finetuning.
 

China poised to break 5nm barrier — Huawei lists 5nm processor presumably built with SMIC tech, defying U.S. sanctions

By Anton Shilov published about 8 hours ago

Huawei and SMIC quietly rolled out a new Kirin 9000C processor.

SMIC

(Image credit: SMIC)

Chinese foundry SMIC may have broken the 5nm process barrier, as evidenced by a new Huawei laptop listed with an advanced chip with 5nm manufacturing tech — a feat previously thought impossible due to U.S sanctions.

This year, SMIC shocked the world after it began mass production of Huawei's HiSilicon Kirin 9000S processor using its second-gen 7nm process technology. But the company seems to have at least one more trick up its sleeve: a 5nm fabrication process that is either already in use for high-volume manufacturing (HVM) or is in the final stages of its development. In fact, Huawei now lists a chip made on a 5nm-class process node — an eight-core Arm-based HiSilicon Kirin 9000C processor with Arm Mali-G78 graphics for laptops — on its website.

A posting on Huawei's website claims the Qingyun L540 laptop is "equipped with the Kirin 9006C chip, utilizing a 5nm process technology, eight cores, with a maximum clock speed of up to 3.13 GHz, offering higher performance, lower power consumption, and faster processing speeds."

The Kirin 9006C's general-purpose cores are listed at up to 3.13 GHz, which is only slightly lower than the clocks that TSMC and Apple could wring out of the original TSMC N5 process technology (the maximum frequency for Apple's M1 high-performance cores is 3.20 GHz). Meanwhile, the Kirin 9006C's peak clock rate looks similar to another chip, the Kirin 9000, which was produced for Huawei by TSMC.

Indeed, when TSMC began to produce chips made on its N5 (5nm-class) fabrication technology in mass quantities in early Q2 2020, Huawei was not blacklisted by the U.S. Department of Commerce, and the foundry could still ship 5nm chips — which it did in huge volumes. Huawei formally introduced its TSMC N5-based Kirin 9000 SoC in late August 2020 and confirmed that the chip was made in Taiwan.

There are many similarities between the Kirin 9000 and the Kirin 9006C, which some might argue indicates Huawei is leveraging stock it obtained three years ago for its current PCs. While this could be true, keeping a massive quantity of premium processors (which were expensive to make on TSMC's then leading-edge node) for three years doesn't make a lot of sense, especially bearing in mind that the original Kirin 9000 featured a built-in 5G modem (something the Kirin 9006C presumably lacks) and could be used for a premium smartphone rather than for an inexpensive laptop. As such, it is possible that the company has turned to SMIC to create the processors.

It isn't entirely surprising that SMIC could have broken through the 5nm barrier, as persistent industry chatter has indicated the foundry is close to further exceeding the limits imposed by US sanctions. "SMIC is preparing a 5nm process through DUV, and photomask usage is expected to increase further," an expert in the semiconductor industry recently told The Elec.

While an anonymous commenter is not a particularly reliable source, this isn't the first time that SMIC's 5nm technology, which relies solely on deep ultraviolet (DUV) lithography, has been mentioned. SMIC briefly mentioned its post-7nm fabrication process in late 2020, and an industry expert further reemphasized SMIC's 5nm ambitions in September 2022. Both comments indicate that SMIC has been working on a DUV-only 5nm node for quite some time. The technology may be ready by now, but there isn't an independent confirmation yet.

SMIC does have chipmaking tools that could conceivably be used to create 5nm processors. The ASML Twinscan NXT:2000i features a ≤38nm resolution, which is good enough for 7nm-class mass production using double-patterning lithography techniques. However, a finer resolution is required for 5nm-class process technologies. Chipmakers can use triple or even quadruple patterning to produce it. This lithographic technique involves splitting a complex pattern into several simpler patterns, which are then printed sequentially to achieve higher precision and detail. Multi-patterning is a tricky process that affects yields and the number of chips per wafer that can be used, so typically, it has been limited due to its impact on chip costs.

We don't know for sure whether SMIC has initiated mass production of chips on its 5nm-class technology. Given the tensions between the U.S. and China in general and curbs against Huawei and SMIC in particular, it is unlikely that either company will fully disclose its actual technological capabilities. On the one hand, it is prestigious to produce 5nm-class chips despite the U.S. crackdown; on the other hand, neither Huawei nor SMIC want their partners and tool suppliers (or how they obtain equipment or actual chips) to be discovered by the U.S. and its allies.

Anton Shilov

Anton Shilov
Freelance News Writer
Anton Shilov is a Freelance News Writer at Tom’s Hardware US. Over the past couple of decades, he has covered everything from CPUs and GPUs to supercomputers and from modern process technologies and latest fab tools to high-tech industry trends.
 

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