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Forget the trade war, China's economy has other big problems

Im going to spoonfed you a bit more on the basic facts of the topic you are cluelessly trying to discuss, after you respond to the points you dodged in the previous posts, dodging with the usual endlesss "CANT SEE! CANT HEAR! DOENST COUNT! BUT I KNOW THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE!" routine you trolls like so much.

LOL bigmouth you stuck it to yourself!
You pulled two examples out of you @ss and you got caught.

We can all bow at your stupidity!

I rest my case...the defendant has already perjured himself. No more questioning needed.

BMW plant shutdowns: NOPE! completely pulled out of his @ss. NONE reported.
Ford plant shutdowns: NOPE! completely pulled out of his @ss. NONE reported.
 
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LOL bigmouth you stuck it to yourself!
You pulled two examples out of you @ss and you got caught.

We can all bow at your stupidity!
I take that as admitting I caught you off guard, pulling random headlines of the internet and having a big mouth, but just preaching cluelessly about things you dont even know anything about again and talking from your a**. Sucks when someone can see right trough you and pulls you back on the ground and you can't just keep running off your mouth preaching endless bullshit and just pulling all these things out of your a**, while they waste their time and efforts being held to a higher standard?

Again you try to answer my points and I will spoonfeed you further. Its undestandable why you keep evading it though, considering it will make you look stupid either way.
 
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China’s Economic Numbers Have a Credibility Problem

Suspicions that the country is cooking the books persist despite a government crackdown on cheating cadres.

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China’s gross domestic product grew 6.8 percent in the first quarter, smack on its pace in the preceding quarter, which was unchanged from the quarter before that. It’s a well-established pattern: Since 2015, China’s quarterly growth figures haven’t varied by more than 0.1 percentage point on a year-on-year basis. That contrasts with the U.S., where swings of a full percentage point from quarter to quarter aren’t uncommon.

Reserve Bank of Australia in Sydney and a number cruncher in the sales department at Vale SA, the giant iron ore exporter based in Rio de Janeiro, both need Chinese data to help generate their forecasts. And with officials in Beijing promising to open the nation’s financial markets to the outside world, the ranks of investors who rely on this information are bound to grow.

The world has long suspected that China fudges its numbers, which is why the investment community has assembled an array of alternative measures, including rail cargo volume, electricity use, and satellite imagery of factory sites, to gauge economic output. “I suggest investors ignore China’s GDP growth rate,” says Andy Rothman, a former U.S. diplomat in Beijing who’s now an investment strategist at Matthews Asia, a money manager. “There are so many other data points which help us understand the health of the Chinese economy and which we can verify by comparison with private data.” High-frequency metrics on movie ticket sales, iron ore imports, and orders for bulldozers are considered a more useful measure of demand in key sectors from consumption to construction. Bloomberg Economics’ monthly growth tracker, which shows more variability than the official GDP number, registered growth of 6.97 percent in March.

The variety of proxy indicators available can’t completely dispel investors’ concerns about a lack of transparency that makes pricing risk in China especially difficult. “If the official data lacks credibility, alternative narratives—like an economy on the verge of a hard landing—can take hold,” says Tom Orlik of Bloomberg Economics.

There are those who argue that as China’s economy matures, the quality of its data will improve. In a sign that Beijing is prodding provincial cadres to clean up their act, officials in Inner Mongolia and Tianjin have been publicly called out for exaggerating growth numbers.

Another marker of progress is that China’s National Bureau of Statistics has begun releasing monthly unemployment figures based on surveys—which is how the U.S. and European countries measure joblessness. The latest report showed the jobless rate rose marginally to 5.1 percent in March from 5 percent a month earlier. “I believe China will use the pressures that come with market opening as a way to propel these changes,” says Stephen Jen, chief executive officer of Eurizon SLJ Capital Ltd. in London.

The stability of quarterly GDP numbers isn’t necessarily a sign that Beijing is cooking the books. The combination of a one-party system and a centrally controlled economy means China’s policymakers can intervene quickly and massively when growth drivers wobble—by launching a huge public works program, for instance. “This is a political system that controls market behavior through tools that do not show up in the numbers used in the mathematical models created by and for Western economies,” says Pauline Loong, managing director at researcher Asia-Analytica in Hong Kong. “Dismissing this difference as irrelevant to economic forecasting is to run the risk of ending always slightly behind the curve in identifying what drives growth in China and what generates profits.”

LOL bigmouth you stuck it to yourself!
You pulled two examples out of you @ss and you got caught.

We can all bow at your stupidity!

I rest my case...the defendant has already perjured himself. No more questioning needed.

BMW plant shutdowns: NOPE! completely pulled out of his @ss. NONE reported.
Ford plant shutdowns: NOPE! completely pulled out of his @ss. NONE reported.

It's a typical trait with them; the gibberish followed up with personal insults and then carefully cite useless data points like workforce participation and benchmark our FDI/Wage growth against temporary inflation numbers.
 
And there goes your credibility
Right, instead your state-owned propaganda media is a better source

Bloomberg has tons of creditability and to a point where we see several of your fellow Chinese mates citing them over and over again when it's an anti-US article.

How China Fudges Its Numbers - WSJ

The most egregious examples from the Chinese government’s long, sordid history of data-doctoring- The Quartz

China data: Making the numbers add up - the financial times

 
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It's a typical trait with them; the gibberish followed up with personal insults and then carefully cite useless data points.
Right, instead your state-owned global propaganda media is a better source because spewing that garbage at us earns you more social score points handed out by the government. lol
Says the projecting troll as he parrots useless state controlled propaganda garbage repeating empty phrases like "the world is concerned" and "still cant dispell investors concerns" and other gibberish and ending it with a glorious "well that may not proof anything but", followed up by personal attacks. A classic.
 
It's a typical trait with them; the gibberish followed up with personal insults and then carefully cite useless data points.
Right, instead your state-owned global propaganda media is a better source because spewing that garbage at us earns you more social score points handed out by the government. lol
Says the projecting troll as he parrots useless state controlled propaganda garbage repeating empty phrases like "the world is concerned" and "still cant dispell investors concerns" and other gibberish and ending it with a glorious "well that may not proof anything but", followed up by personal attacks. A classic.

Repeating the same shit doesn't really make a good point when mine still applies.
 
@Hamartia Antidote speaking of companies leaving :lol: I read another major Apple supplier is leaving China too.

China’s GoerTek, an acoustic component maker based in eastern China’s Shandong Province that assembles Apple’s AirPods wireless headphones, announced in mid-October that it would relocate its production to Vietnam to avoid U.S. tariffs.

Trade War Casualties: Factories Shifting Out Of China
China-based manufacturers were already in the process of moving to lower-cost Southeast Asia. Now that trade tariffs have been enacted on at least $50 billion worth of goods, and another $200 billion likely by summer’s end, they are shifting their supply chain. It’s happening.

“With recent tariff battles, companies aren’t as eager to have production in China,” says Nathan Resnick, CEO of startup company Sourcify. The business-to-business manufacturing platform has offices in San Diego and Guangzhou. “We run production runs in India, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Philippines and Mexico right now. Labor costs are actually more affordable outside of China, so for products like apparel where there is a lot of cut-and-sew labor, most companies are moving out of China anyway,” he says. Sourcify raised $2.5 million through Y Combinator this winter. “I’ve been going back and forth to China for years, and it is getting more expensive. With all these tariffs coming, why not run some of your production runs elsewhere? Companies are saying that the scare of these tariffs has decreased the incentives to manufacture in China.”

Sourcify is small, but Kerry Logistics Network, a Hong Kong-listed firm owned by Malaysia’s billionaire Kuok family, is not. The South China Morning Post reported that Kerry shifted part of its production lines from mainland China to its corporate home further south in order to avoid tariffs.


“Our clients have been shifting part of their production lines as early as March from China to other Asian countries where they already have manufacturing plants,” William Ma Wing-kai, Kerry's managing director, was quoted saying in the Hong Kong daily. “This is a reallocation of global production bases,” Ma said.

For the last couple of years, China has been moving to a more automated assembly line, pushing lower-cost manufacturing to Vietnam and elsewhere. China is now one of the world’s largest producers of robotics used in manufacturing assembly lines. As the country moves up the value chain, old-school labor like stitch-and-sew apparel manufacturing is leaving the country.


Says the projecting troll as he parrots useless state controlled propaganda garbage repeating empty phrases like "the world is concerned" and "still cant dispell investors concerns" and other gibberish and ending it with a glorious "well that may not proof anything but", followed up by personal attacks. A classic.

Repeating the same shit doesn't really make a good point when mine still applies.

This is getting to you and I can see that beautiful mind in a frenzy now. The free press world over is saying of China_ which you were trying to project on us. :lol:
Trade war hastens key Apple supplier Pegatron's shift from China
 
This is getting to you and I can see that beautiful mind in a frenzy now. The free press world over is saying of China that you were trying to project on us.
The useless "free" Washington mouthpiece propaganda and cherrypicked headline gallop of articles you didn't even read, another "we the world", the forced lol u so triggered and the forced smileys? Can you get any more template?
Did your brain fizzle out because I'm treating trash as trash after all the undeserved respect and benefit of doubt you trolls have kept abusing and I'm refusing to take the bait and play along with your games?

We both know already know what your dishonest and delusional narrative is and that it holds no value. But you seem hellbent on leaving just some smug last remark.
 
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The useless "free" Washington mouthpiece propaganda and cherrypicked headline gallop of articles you didn't even read, another "we the world", the forced lol u so triggered and the forced smileys? Can you get any more template?
Did your brain fizzle out because I'm treating trash as trash after all the undeserved respect and benefit of doubt you trolls have kept abusing and I'm refusing to take the bait and play along with your games?

We both know already know what your narrative is and that it holds no value. Last word. I win!

Alibaba Feels the Pinch From China’s Slowing Economic Growth

SHANGHAI — China’s biggest e-commerce company is expecting rockier times ahead, a troubling sign for a vast economy that is one of the world’s most important engines of growth.

The flagging pace of economic expansion in China and the country’s trade war with the United States led the Alibaba Group to cut its estimate of revenue growth for the current fiscal year, which ends in March, by around 5 percent, the shopping giant said on Friday. For the quarter that ended in September, revenue came in at $12.4 billion, a 54 percent increase from a year earlier but less than analysts had expected.

“The global economy is in a state of uncertainty,” Daniel Zhang, Alibaba’s chief executive, said in a conference call with analysts. “The U.S.-China trade tensions create increased risk of instability.”

The decision to lower sales expectations was made only recently, the company’s chief financial officer, Maggie Wu, said. Economic conditions deteriorated noticeably in just the past month, she said. “Merchants are facing challenging times,” she said.

There is mounting evidence that China’s economy, the world’s second-largest after the United States’, is slowing. But Alibaba’s trimming of its sales outlook suggests the downturn is starting to affect more parts of the economy, including China’s growing middle class.

The Chinese government reported last month that economic output grew 6.5 percent in the latest quarter compared with the previous year, its slowest pace in nearly a decade. The country’s stock markets have tumbled, and its currency has slid. Beijing has pushed to add more money to the economy and had prodded local governments to increase spending. But the mountains of debt the country accumulated to fuel past growth are tying the authorities’ hands.
 
The problem with you all guys ... you only see from the micro level, hence failed to see the big picture.

This company pinched, that company pinched doesnt mean one of the country in this trade war is winning or loosing over the other. Alibaba and ZTE pinched ... but Qualcomm and others are also pinched.

And remember that Chinese stock market is far from a perfect market, hence would not depict the real Chinese economy condition. And China investing their USD in US is norm, happened before trade war, because they need to channel their USD surplus back into US both in US bond market or US real market to maintain yuan price low at the level they expect.

Despite US tariffs, China’s trade soared in October. It may not last.
https://qz.com/1456033/despite-us-tariffs-chinas-trade-soared-in-october-it-may-not-last/

China's export boom is a worrying signal that Trump's trade war will get worse
https://www.ctpost.com/technology/b...t-boom-is-a-worrying-signal-that-13377592.php
 

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