For the apple of my eye, who I lost to Pakistan’s incompetence

[Mav3rick]

What is the source of this article? How can anyone in his/her right mind blame all of Pakistan for the mistake of 1 doctor? They found a doctor all the way in India but could not get a 2nd/3rd opinion in Pakistan??? Is this even real?

 

[khujliwal]

RIP little angel.

 

[Contrarian]

because we are neighbours, countries carved out, issue of kashmir are of a few

Because we are neighbours does not mean we should have societal level relations with them. We can have a cordial relations with Pakistan as a State. We need not have relations with their society. In case you have not noticed, their society is radicalized, their people are violent, exponentially more so than in India.

Would you want your society to be exposed to such a society? It would have a negative effect on Indians, rather than a positive effect.
Nations across the world are downgrading and reducing the visas given to Pakistan and you recommend that we increase the visa accessibility to Pakistan?

On the basis of a non-tangible, non quantifiable, neighborly feeling ? My friend, you are thinking with your heart and not your mind.

A sound logical analysis will tell you that having more Pakistani's in India would be bad.

Remember this is the same Nawaz Shariff that in early 90's back jihad in kashmir
in 1999 was party to kargil operations, politicians swing with flow friend, when the people of pakistan want peace, they would be forced to co-operate with India

You have just proved my point.
It is the Elite of Pakistan that make decisions in every sphere. The common people of Pakistan have close to miniscule say in Pakistan. For the first time in their history they have completed a term of an elected government. Understand the Pakistani society. Pakistani politics and society apart from the sole exception of support to PA, is completely based on individual/cult following.Those Elites can be cultural elites, military elites, business elite, political elites or opinion elite(influential news channel owners/anchors).

If India has good relations with Imran Khan, all his supporters will have goodwill for India, if India has good relations with Nawaz Sharif, then all PMLN supporters will have good will for India. Same for PPP and PMLQ.

To get that goodwill, we donot need to actually give visas and have good relations with those people, we just need to give visas and support their leaders and elites.

We dont actually need to engage with the average Pakistani to have good will. We just need to engage their elites.

And we can see that it can bear results - look at the trade change between India and Pakistan. All accomplished by them.

Treatments arent done for free mostly Pakistan bears the cost or it is done through, plus even if we have to bear it, it is a small price for peace friend

Pakistanis can bear the cost of going to China or Dubai for their treatments.
There is no goal achieved by donating a liver to a Pakistani. If there was, I would have advocated for it.
It would not make an iota of a difference. However if you helped out a Pakistani elite in the smallest, trivialest of matters, it would be more effective than saving a hundred common Pakistani's lives.

Like I said, understand the dynamics of their society and tailor your approach to them based on their societal realities.

Your opinion @Bang Galore

 

[WishLivePak]

What exactly is it that Indian doctors have to learn from Pakistanis when thousands of Pakistanis come to India for medical treatment?

and thousands of indians go to america.

No one is wise enough and every place holds untold stories, experiences.

 

[Contrarian]

and thousands of indians go to america.

No one is wise enough and every place holds untold stories, experiences.

I agree. I had not thought of this aspect.

 

[WishLivePak]

I agree. I had not thought of this aspect.

Np, you learned something from a **** :p

You know even if America is the best country in world and somalia is the worst, it still learns from somalia. People go there and see the environment. They realize how, no matter what you've, is never enough. How people survive with very little. There is only death, yet their lives happily goes by. I have nothing to gain from African nation, but I'd go there, take a class or two and see the environment. Wish it becomes safe one day.

I don't want to write an essay on this but hope you get my point. Every place holds a high value.

 

[Dubious]

Sad to see that the poor baby's death is used INNA LILLAHI WA INNA ILAYHI RAJEEOON

, this is one reason why they should come to India.

Interesting indeed! Really? And the following is the reason we shouldnt bother!

I think they must be kept away from our population as much as possible.
Visas should only be granted to the elites of Pakistan - cultural elites, business elites, political elites and military elites, so that we can keep negotiating with those who matter in Pakistan.

Mr. overly cultured's ideas are the reasons why an everyday Pakistani wouldnt imagine going to India! We dont need to go to a country whose narrow minded host knows nothing but to insult!

You bridge gaps with people who are better, you dont bridge gaps with a population that has been radicalized over decades, that has not been living in a pluralistic society and is a violent society.

Thankyou for the most enlightening post.

That's honest based on your very post!

You are talking like your doctors dont do nothing wrong like there is nothing wrong in India! I have the guts to admit that yes, some Pakistani doctors and hospitals are not really that excellent when it comes to health care...They seem to have some sort of problem when it comes to sterilizing and since this lady was from an army family, why didnt they use army facilities which are mind you 1 of the best...costly but still better than risking your child to anything else!

For medical and humanitarian needs, Pakistanis are free to go to the rest of the world, we are not the only country in the world with good medical facilities - China, Dubai, Singapore, Malaysia, KSA(?).

What we donot need to do is build bridges with the Pakistani society to accomplish our goal.

Is it our concern? They are Pakistani's, and Pakistan must deal or help them.

Yet day in and day out we see you on Pakistani threads talking about Pakistan like you have a PhD on the topic!

What is the source of this article? How can anyone in his/her right mind blame all of Pakistan for the mistake of 1 doctor? They found a doctor all the way in India but could not get a 2nd/3rd opinion in Pakistan??? Is this even real?

Habit of disappointed people...Grudge of a broken hearted mother...Happens dont even blame her...But hat doctor should be sacked or confronted as to why he gave such an advice when other doctor (from India) can give some other advice!

 

[WishLivePak]

Ooooh, so half an hour ago woman was screaming and guy doing something to her. 15 mins 4 police cars come in, couple or three ambulances and take someone away on strecher...

What a quick response to save someones life

 

[halupridol]

A sad incident, should not happen to anyone.

I have read posts by Pak posters who grudge patients getting treated in India, this is one reason why they should come to India.

For the apple of my eye, who I lost to Pakistan’s incompetence – The Express Tribune Blog

On August 22, 2013, I was blessed with a healthy baby boy, Yahya Waqas. He was perfect in every sense of the word. The apple of my eye, the joy of my life, everything I could ever dream of. He was a beautiful baby, my little miracle when I least expected it. He made our family complete.

The three of us, he, my husband and I, were totally inseparable. We laughed with him, played with him, even danced with him. He was a feisty young boy and it was during my pregnancythat I fell unconditionally in love with him and I knew that from that day forward, I would be a completely different person.

Yahya Waqas. Photo: Amel Abid

But he passed away on March 19, 2014.

Yahya was diagnosed with Total Anomalous Pulmonary Venous Return (TAPVR), a rare complex heart disease that affects one in a thousand babies. I was shocked, hurt and disoriented to say the least. He was a normal child with unbelievable reflexes. He knew what he wanted and when he wanted it. He knew how to demand things. He knew that he was loved and cared for.

We took him to the best hospital in Rawalpindi and what we believed to be the best cardiac facility in Pakistan. Little did we know that we were putting our baby in hands of the most incompetent doctors and staff. The doctor refused to perform surgery until he was at least six months old. They believed he weighed less and needed to gain more weight to be fit for the surgery. But the doctors at Fortis Escorts Heart Institute in India advised otherwise and deemed the procedure necessary before three months of age.

The sad part is that we were too late. He was already in the ICU when we found out about Dr Rajesh Sharma, and moving Yahya in his prevailing predicament was impossible.

During those six months my family went through hell. From heart medicines to vomiting to choking, we saw what I would not even wish upon the worst of my enemies. We saw our Yahya in pain. He caught pneumonia twice during those six months. He was hospitalised twice. His pneumonia wasn’t the cause of his death though. He caught another virus during our stay at the hospital while he was in the ICU and on a ventilator. He underwent Laparotomy, a surgical procedure for the abdomen, and was diagnosed with intestinal ischemia, which caused gangrene in his intestines.

We were told that he probably won’t even survive the procedure because of his continuing pneumonia and his heart condition, but my son did survive. The procedure was successful but he just couldn’t take it anymore and died of multiple organ failure after 12 days of surgery.

We saw him struggling for his breath. We saw him when he was being poked with needles again and again. I was there when he couldn’t recognise me anymore, when he passed bloody stools. I was there all along. I couldn’t hold him in my arms and I couldn’t stop his pain. I could see my husband falling apart, I saw the pain my family was going through but I knew one thing at the end, my son was a fighter.

Born in an army family, he was tough as a rock. He would have made an excellent soldier one day but Allah had other plans. He is among angels now. I miss him every second of every day. I miss his face, his eyes, his laughter, his cries, I miss it all.

I don’t have regrets but I wish I had known better at the time. I wish I had taken him abroad for his surgery. I wish I had researched a bit more and instead of putting him in an unhygienic paediatrics ward here in Pakistan, I wish I had taken him to the best doctors abroad. Either we don’t have the technology to perform such procedures on infants or the doctors here just do not have the confidence or competence it requires.

The heartless barbarians we call doctors here in Pakistan do not care if your child is sick or even if he dies at their hands. Except for maybe one or two humble doctors I met during my stay at the hospital, every other individual, be it a doctor or a nurse, is cruel, heartless and ignorant. This for me at least is a lesson well learnt and one that I can never erase from my memory.

This should be a lesson for every mother and every father struggling with the health of their children. Every infant with a congenital heart disease here in Pakistan is at risk. I’ve seen how a small disease can spread and turn into something entirely different just because of lack of proper hygiene and negligence. Save your children while you still can and while there is still a chance.

sad incident,,indeed.
our region needs alot more in terms of health care.

 

[Windjammer]

I agree. I had not thought of this aspect.

Get off your high horse and smell the earth, who you trying to fool, you are never away from this a Pakistani forum, not the right place for an Indian whose head is in the clouds.... don't tell me you are here to interact with your own kind....you certainly lack even the basic morals to show any gratitude much less that you can contribute anything to the PDF community.....hence you can only learn and be taught or else best for you to confine yourself to your own puddle.

 

[Barakah]

RiP little boy.

 

[suresh1773]

What is the source of this article? How can anyone in his/her right mind blame all of Pakistan for the mistake of 1 doctor?

Yeah I agree with u ,It is wrong to blame the entire country for the wrong things/negligence done by one doctor or a few individuals.

They found a doctor all the way in India but could not get a 2nd/3rd opinion in Pakistan??? Is this even real?

After reading the thread, I would like to draw your attention towards the following things which u have might not noticed.

The thread also says about the in anunhygienic paediatrics wardhere in Pakistan,

The thread further says “Either we don’t have the technology to perform such procedures on infants or the doctors here just do not have the confidence or competence it requires. The heartless barbarians we call doctors here in Pakistan do not care if your child is sick or even if he dies at their hands. Except for maybe one or two humble doctors I met during my stay at the hospital, every other individual, be it a doctor or a nurse, is cruel,heartless and ignorant. This for me at least is a lesson well learnt and one that I can never erase from my memory.”

Lastly medical treatments in India r cheap as compared with Pakistan, this is what I have read. This might have prompted them to come to India.Europe/America is very costly.Forget the treatment,just stay in hotel for 6 months like they stayed in India.

With due respect to everybody,this can happen to anybody in India or Pakistan.It may differ from individual to individuals. Well I & my sister had a BAD experience in one of the hospitals in India where my father was admitted.

 

[Icarus]

As sad as it is and as devastating as it would have been for the parents, I think that the Tribune is overemphasizing on the misery and misfortune of one family and treating it as if it were the norm. Whereas the doctor's faulty diagnosis cost a family their child in this case, I am certain that this is not a regular occurrence.
RIP to the young soul and my his parents find solace.

 

[Jango]

Which hospital are we talking about here?

Anyways, a sad incident nonetheless. Nobody should go through hell like that.

But before lambasting the hospital or anybody else, it will be good to know the other side of the story, like in the case of Wasim Akram's wife or Imanae Malik.

 

[Icarus]

I question the need for a relationship.
Why do we need one? What we really want from them is to stop talking on Kashmir and start trade. You would be hard pressed to find a third demand from Pakistan by India.

Even there, our most pressing need is trade. As you can see from the last two years, it can be achieved and delivered by the Elites. Nawaz Sharif and Zardari both massively liberalized the trade regime between India and Pakistan without any accompanying 'relationship'. The NDMA is still not granted, but we are well on the way there.

See how we managed that? - By influencing the elites - the political elites, the business elites and cultural elites.

What we donot need to do is build bridges with the Pakistani society to accomplish our goal..

Governments come and go, it is the people that remain constant, governments can liberalize trade, sign agreements and sing songs of mutual love but until and unless the general populace is taken along for the ride and a change of public opinion takes place, these will be shallow victories. They will wither away with time, or at the opportune moment, the hatred will not subside and we will tumble back to the status quo. I am aware that there has never been trade liberalization between Pakistan and India like there was when Ayub was in power, why is it then, that we are still stuck at square one? What caused all that progress to be reversed? You have your answer.