Fifth generation multi roles. The newest generation.

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Iranian HESA Azarakhsh was introduced in 1998, you wanna tell me it's the same generation as an F-35?

It's not used by anyone. Notice I didn't mention Su-37, Su-47, MiG 1.44. These are all demonstrators.

 

[Beny Karachun]

It's not used by anyone. Notice I didn't mention Su-37, Su-47, MiG 1.44. These are all demonstrators.

Iran uses 11 of them.
Iran also uses 24 Saeqeh jets introduced in 2004, those planes are based on an Northtrop F-5 jet, are you actually saying they are by any means comparable to the F-22, or F-35? Hell, even the F-15 and F-16?

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Iran uses 11 of them.
Iran also uses 24 Saeqeh jets introduced in 2004, those planes are based on an Northtrop F-5 jet, are you actually saying they are by any means comparable to the F-22, or F-35? Hell, even the F-15 and F-16?

Saeqeh is not new built. They are altered existing F-5. So don't count.

F-16V

 

[Cookie Monster]

@undertakerwwefan dude what is it with u opening up threads left and right about jets and linking Wikipedia articles about them?

PDF isn't Wikipedia 2.0 where u can just waste space and keep repeating the info that's already available. It would make sense if someone asked a question and u answered by providing sources like that...but no one is asking.

Quit spamming BS threads...there are very few fifth gen fighters and the ones u included...most of them are NOT considered 5th gen.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Fifth gen jets are the newest. Introduced 1997 or later. In order from oldest to newest.

Mirage 2000 5 / 9. Introduced 1997. Used by France, Taiwan, Greece, Qatar, UAE.

https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mirage/

MiG-29 M / M2 / K and MiG-35. First flight 1986. Introduced 2004. Used by Russia, India, Egypt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-29M

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-29K

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-35

Rafale. First flight 1991. Introduced 2001. Used by France, Egypt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale

Typhoon. First flight 1994. Introduced 2003. Used by Britain, Germany, Italy, Spain, Austria, Saudi Arabia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon

F-2. First flight 1995. Introduced 2000. First having AESA. Used by Japan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-2

F-18 E / F. First flight 1995. Introduced 1999. Used by America, Australia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_F/A-18E/F_Super_Hornet

F-22. First flight 1997. Introduced 2005. First having TVC. Used by America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-22_Raptor

Su-30 MKK / MK2. First flight 1999. Introduced 2000. Used by China, Uganda, Vietnam, Indonesia, Venezuela.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-30MKK

Su-30 MKI / MKM / MKA / SM. First flight 2000. Introduced 2002. Used by Russia, India, Malaysia, Algeria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-30MKI

Tejas. First flight 2001. Introduced 2015. Used by India.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Tejas

JF-17. First flight 2003. Introduced 2010. First having DSI. Used by Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder

F-16 E / F. First flight 2003. Introduced 2009. Used by UAE.

http://www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article921.html

F-15 K / SG. First flight 2005. Introduced 2005. Used by South Korea, Singapore.

https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/f15ks-first-flight-successful-0119/

F-35. First flight 2006. Introduced 2015. Used by America, Israel, Japan, Norway, Italy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II

Su-35 S. First flight 2008. Entered service 2014. Used by Russia, China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-35

J-10 B. First flight 2008. Introduced 2014. Used by China.

https://defence-blog.com/news/chengdu-j-10b-fighter-jet-that-entered-chinese-service.html

Su-57. First flight 2010. No user.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-57

J-20. First flight 2011. Introduced 2017. Used by China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20

J-31. First flight 2012. No user.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-31

F-16 V. First flight 2015. No user.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/news/a17874/f-16v-first-flight/

Gripen NG. First flight 2017. No user.

https://www.defensenews.com/digital...06/15/saab-s-gripen-e-takes-its-first-flight/

Most of them is either 4.5th/4++ Jets @undertakerwwefan

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Most of them is either 4.5th/4++ Jets @undertakerwwefan

Says who?

 

[Ultima Thule]

Says who?

Most world expert said and your all Wikipedia articles said that they are 4.5th or 4++ gen jets, These jets just upgrade of 70/80's era designs in the term of avionics/ composite materials, with few exception like JF-17/Tejas @undertakerwwefan

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Most world expert said and your all Wikipedia articles said that they are 4.5th or 4++ gen jets, These jets just upgrade of 70/80's era designs in the term of avionics/ composite materials, with few exception like JF-17/Tejas @undertakerwwefan

Nope. They have airframe redesigns. Camry is redesigned. It's a new car. Just like C-HR.

JF-17

 

[Ultima Thule]

Nope. They have airframe redesigns. Camry is redesigned. It's a new car. Just like C-HR.

JF-17

But it doesn't mean it will consider 5th gen jets, its a modified designs based on previous/4th gen design, and not build for scratch @undertakerwwefan

 

[Beny Karachun]

Saeqeh is not new built. They are altered existing F-5. So don't count.

Just as the F-16V that you've posted is an altered existing F-16A introduced in 1974, yet according to you the F-16V is a 5th generation fighter.
You make no sense at all.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

But it doesn't mean it will consider 5th gen jets, its a modified designs based on previous/4th gen design, and not build for scratch @undertakerwwefan

They have redesigned airframes. Composites. RAM.

Just as the F-16V that you've posted is an altered existing F-16A introduced in 1974, yet according to you the F-16V is a 5th generation fighter.
You make no sense at all.

Saeqeh is old airframe. Canabalized from worn out F-5. The ones I included have new built airframes.

yet according to you the F-16V is a 5th generation fighter.

F-16V is LM's latest product.

 

[Beny Karachun]

I'm done playing checkers with a pigeon.
Cya

 

[Ultima Thule]

They have redesigned airframes. Composites. RAM.

As compare to F-22/F-35/J-20/Su-57 they are using less Composite but no RAM, RAM is only for 5th gen jet like f-22/F-35/J-20/Su-57 @undertakerwwefan

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

As compare to F-22/F-35/J-20/Su-57 they are using less Composite but no RAM, RAM is only for 5th gen jet like f-22/F-35/J-20/Su-57 @undertakerwwefan

Nope. MiG-35 has RAM. Su-35 S has RAM.

The Flanker airframe is not particularly stealthy. However, adjustments to the engine inlets and canopy, and the use of radar-absorbent material, supposedly halve the Su-35’s radar cross-section; one article claims it may be down to between one and three meters. This could reduce the range it can be detected and targeted, but the Su-35 is still not a “stealth fighter.”

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/t...stealth-fighter-the-plane-the-air-force-25565

Though not a stealth fighter, its fuselage has been shaped and coated with radar-absorbing material which would be supplemented by the plane's electronic warfare radar jammers.

https://www.upi.com/MiG-pushing-for-exports-of-the-MiG-35-fighter/9661498153646/

 

[Ultima Thule]

Nope. MiG-35 has RAM. Su-35 S has RAM.

The Flanker airframe is not particularly stealthy. However, adjustments to the engine inlets and canopy, and the use of radar-absorbent material, supposedly halve the Su-35’s radar cross-section; one article claims it may be down to between one and three meters. This could reduce the range it can be detected and targeted, but the Su-35 is still not a “stealth fighter.”

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/t...stealth-fighter-the-plane-the-air-force-25565

Proof @undertakerwwefan ???