FGFA Spec to be downgraded ??

[HariPrasad]

I am bit sceptical about this approach. Lets wait & watch out for further developments regarding the matter.

PAKFA in itself is a master piece. So any FAGFA shall be an improvement over PAKFA. So there is absolutely no doubt that it will be the only of its kind. How much better it is compared to PAKFA is the only question to be asked. Like MIK is the best Su30, FAGFA shall be the best variant of PAKFA.

 

[IND151]

I am sure IAF has many other options like the F-35 in coming 10 years time. NATO will going to sell it to India, Korea and Japan just to take out the R&D cost.

There is no susbstitute to R & D, if one wants to become Self Reliant.

And India will not go for F 35, besides it cant be substitute for FGFA.

F 35 is MMRCA while FGFA is HMMRCA, plus F 35 will come with strings and then too we will not be able to get it buy 2020 as many nations have alerady ordered it.

So India will buy F 35.

FGFA when ready will dwarf F 35 in Payload, Range etc.

 

[Abingdonboy]

IDRW.......

 

[IND151]

While Indian air force won't go for F35 for sure (unless they are willing to commit suicide), but the same can't be said for our navy. EMALS from US is under consideration, for one of the forthcoming carrier. A carrier equipped with both EMALS and F35 would definitely bring lot of advantages over our eastern neighbour, but other things should be considered as well:

• While the plans to put catapults itself is not finalized, but should our navy decide to go for US EMALS, I doubt they would come as a standalone unit but in form of a package along with F-35 and Other US weapons.
• Could we afford EMALS + F-35 combo, only time would tell. But it is a possibility that we could be the first nation to field the latest aviation equipment from both US and Russia.
• US weapons always comes attached with strings. Too much dependence over US equipment (esp. frontline) could compromise our defense needs

And thats one of the reaosns India will not go for F 35.

 

[Donatello]

This will seriously affect India's indigenous industry.

And thats one of the reaosns India will not go for F 35.

Yea, hard to go for something that is not available.

 

[anonymus]

US weapons always comes attached with strings. Too much dependence over US equipment (esp. frontline) could compromise our defense needs

And thats one of the reaosns India will not go for F 35.

I think in case of hardware which would be primarily used against China, USA is much safer supplier than even Russia. Russian technology ,which include Radar codes too, could end up in Chinese hands by direct purchase, but ,barring a leak, US technology won't; and there is very low probability of US undercutting any country which is tying down Chinese military capabilities.


All situations are not same , and while USA could not be trusted in general because of their propensity of playing sanction sanction, in some situations where our interests converge, we could trust their hardware and supply guarantees. Though keeping first point in mind, we should never let US built component to exceed more than 50% of any of out forces;which given the fact that India would have 2 carriers flying Mig-29Ks and N-LCA along with IAC-II, it won't.

Yea, hard to go for something that is not available.

Since 2012.

Looks like you have not read any newspaper or webpage since the beginning of this decade.

 

[Matrixx]

I am sure IAF has many other options like the F-35 in coming 10 years time. NATO will going to sell it to India, Korea and Japan just to take out the R&D cost.

PAK-FA is the only option....its only about Modi way of doing business

 

[black-hawk_101]

So any chances of getting 150 FAF Mirages ? As IAF has shown some signs of getting a single engine jet to replace MiG-21s which is a big problem.

 

[Matrixx]

So any chances of getting 150 FAF Mirages ? As IAF has shown some signs of getting a single engine jet to replace MiG-21s which is a big problem.

No....

 

[wiseone2]

Once India committed to PAK-FA program, F-35 route was closed. No country could afford to have two stealth fighters of different origin in its airforce.

India would probably go for F-35C (all sign point to that) for Naval aviation.

If your security is at stake India can always purchase 40 F-35s at $200 million a piece. it is an option Chinese and Pakistanis do not have. it is enough for minimal deterrence

 

[anonymus]

LCA and N-LCA are powered by GE engines
Proposed AMCA project would also be powered by GE
So, we are already dependent on US for our light and medium class fighter needs
Now add F-35 (naval version) to this list and we already looking at over dependence on US

In Naval aviation, we do not need F-35C to counter Pakistani Navy or Airforce. Our Mig29Ks and N-LCA would be up task, if anything is left for them, after IAF's Tsunami strikes Pakistan.

If we have pissed off USA to such an extent that it has instituted an embargo on us, we could be sure that China and Russia would be supporting us at that time. The only reason that USA would be bent on embargoing us is because we must have crossed into opposition's camp. In that case F-35Cs become redundant for us.

So if we are at bad terms with China, we need F-35C's and USA would not sanction us. If we are at good term with China, USA may sanction us ,but we would not need F-35's.

Also remember that an Aircraft does not fall out of sky just after they have been embargoed. They take decades to degrade into unusable relics.

 

[nForce]

I am sure IAF has many other options like the F-35 in coming 10 years time. NATO will going to sell it to India, Korea and Japan just to take out the R&D cost.

They will never let go of the technology and will come with lots of terms and conditions.
We want a full ToT or a JV, anything less won't do.

 

[cirr]

Russia has cut down to 12 the number of T-50s it plans to induct by 2020.

India？

This project is as good as dead。

 

[The_Sidewinder]

PAKFA in itself is a master piece. So any FAGFA shall be an improvement over PAKFA. So there is absolutely no doubt that it will be the only of its kind. How much better it is compared to PAKFA is the only question to be asked. Like MIK is the best Su30, FAGFA shall be the best variant of PAKFA.

Yes I do believe so. But will downgraded version will serve the purpose at the beggining neglecting R&D i am not sure about that part.

 

[Ammyy]

Russia has cut down to 12 the number of T-50s it plans to induct by 2020.

India？

This project is as good as dead。

Russians rut down requirement due to financial problems but India won't do that. Let them induct first batch in 2016 then India surely order 2sqr of PAKFA till the time we receive our three prototypes of FGFA.