Few options re: the future of PDF

[Bilal9]

Hello @waz bhai and @WebMaster bhai, a few thoughts re: the future of PDF.

• I realize we have admins in danger because of content published here - I will personally try my level best to be careful. But then - being an outsider and a non-Pakistani - I have never criticized the armed forces of Pakistan. We should all try to follow this precept. My best wishes on the well being and safety of all admins living in Pakistan at this time.
• I hope to drastically tone down some of my posts - not proud of some occasional unbalanced comments I have made in the past. Hope all see my flaws with forgiving eyes from now on.
• If money is an issue, I am willing to pitch in some to save PDF - just tell me where to contribute in DM. I am sure some dedicated members would be more than willing to save PDF using monthly or quarterly Paypal dues.
• Re: the Bangladesh section - if you guys need me to take up responsibilities, I am very willing to do so to save the forum on an ongoing basis. However I also have a job and family responsibilities, so while I am willing, I also have minor limitations.
• As long as I am living - I hope to do my level best in saving PDF.

 

[One_Nation]

Hello @waz bhai and @WebMaster bhai, a few thoughts re: the future of PDF.

• I realize we have admins in danger because of content published here - I will personally try my level best to be careful. But then - being an outsider and a non-Pakistani - I have never criticized the armed forces of Pakistan. We should all try to follow this precept. My best wishes on the well being and safety of all admins living in Pakistan at this time.
• I hope to drastically tone down some of my posts - not proud of some occasional unbalanced comments I have made in the past. Hope all see my flaws with forgiving eyes from now on.
• If money is an issue, I am willing to pitch in some to save PDF - just tell me where to contribute in DM. I am sure some dedicated members would be more than willing to save PDF using monthly or quarterly Paypal dues.
• Re: the Bangladesh section - if you guys need me to take up responsibilities, I am very willing to do so to save the forum on an ongoing basis. However I also have a job and family responsibilities, so while I am willing, I also have minor limitations.
• As long as I am living - I hope to do my level best in saving PDF.

I don't think the shut down was caused by posts of foreign nationals. Pakistanis have been posting a lot of deeply creative stuff against the army in Pakistani sections. Their reaction was expected.

The best way forward for admins is to redirect the site to a .com domain and transfer ownership of the site to someone based outside of Pakistan. This will keep the current community alive with a domain outside the reach of thugs.
.pk domain is all they can control. They cannot control the hosting which I am sure is outside of Pakistan.

 

[Haldorss]

I don't think the military is the problem...unless it's pro-Anglo-Saxon. The police and judiciary are likely to be the real problem.

 

[shujaullahkhan]

I don't think the military is the problem...unless it's pro-Anglo-Saxon. The police and judiciary are likely to be the real problem.

Army needs to be pro elected government, and not commit treason by sabotaging every elected PM. None of their business being pro west or east.

 

[Haldorss]

Army needs to be pro elected government, and not commit treason by sabotaging every elected PM. None of their business being pro west or east.

Wrong.

 

[Kaniska]

Hello @waz bhai and @WebMaster bhai, a few thoughts re: the future of PDF.

• I realize we have admins in danger because of content published here - I will personally try my level best to be careful. But then - being an outsider and a non-Pakistani - I have never criticized the armed forces of Pakistan. We should all try to follow this precept. My best wishes on the well being and safety of all admins living in Pakistan at this time.
• I hope to drastically tone down some of my posts - not proud of some occasional unbalanced comments I have made in the past. Hope all see my flaws with forgiving eyes from now on.
• If money is an issue, I am willing to pitch in some to save PDF - just tell me where to contribute in DM. I am sure some dedicated members would be more than willing to save PDF using monthly or quarterly Paypal dues.
• Re: the Bangladesh section - if you guys need me to take up responsibilities, I am very willing to do so to save the forum on an ongoing basis. However I also have a job and family responsibilities, so while I am willing, I also have minor limitations.
• As long as I am living - I hope to do my level best in saving PDF.

You are a nice person.But it seems like you are yet to understand the root cause of the problem for PDF admins. It is never about money or resources rather other factors. One take away from this episode is for everyone that be careful while posting any stuff that is not dignified or highly provocative. Not only Pak establishment but their related stakeholders can identify and harass people. So it is not really worth to get into such kind of problems just to post in a forum.

 

[-=virus=-]

pls respecting Pak fauz

thnx

 

[fatman17]

Hello @waz bhai and @WebMaster bhai, a few thoughts re: the future of PDF.

• I realize we have admins in danger because of content published here - I will personally try my level best to be careful. But then - being an outsider and a non-Pakistani - I have never criticized the armed forces of Pakistan. We should all try to follow this precept. My best wishes on the well being and safety of all admins living in Pakistan at this time.
• I hope to drastically tone down some of my posts - not proud of some occasional unbalanced comments I have made in the past. Hope all see my flaws with forgiving eyes from now on.
• If money is an issue, I am willing to pitch in some to save PDF - just tell me where to contribute in DM. I am sure some dedicated members would be more than willing to save PDF using monthly or quarterly Paypal dues.
• Re: the Bangladesh section - if you guys need me to take up responsibilities, I am very willing to do so to save the forum on an ongoing basis. However I also have a job and family responsibilities, so while I am willing, I also have minor limitations.
• As long as I am living - I hope to do my level best in saving PDF.

Good intentions but unfortunately we all are guests here for a while. Sad situation.

 

[Bilal9]

Good intentions but unfortunately we all are guests here for a while. Sad situation.

Whatever happens to the future of the forum, Insha-Allah hoping you gentlemen who are consultants or seniors (including @Joe Shearer dada and @Indos brother) hopefully will remember me (I am sure you guys have my email). Please reach out if you are coming back with a renewed effort at any time. This was my place to relax for a while, will miss interacting with all my friends here.

 

[Indos]

Whatever happens to the future of the forum, Insha-Allah hoping you gentlemen who are consultants or seniors (including @Joe Shearer dada and @Indos brother) hopefully will remember me (I am sure you guys have my email). Please reach out if you are coming back with a renewed effort at any time. This was my place to relax for a while, will miss interacting with all my friends here.

I will contact you on Defense Hub if I need to talk to you, but if PDF is deleted, most probably I wouldnt be active any more on any defense forum

 

[Dalit]

Hello @waz bhai and @WebMaster bhai, a few thoughts re: the future of PDF.

• I realize we have admins in danger because of content published here - I will personally try my level best to be careful. But then - being an outsider and a non-Pakistani - I have never criticized the armed forces of Pakistan. We should all try to follow this precept. My best wishes on the well being and safety of all admins living in Pakistan at this time.
• I hope to drastically tone down some of my posts - not proud of some occasional unbalanced comments I have made in the past. Hope all see my flaws with forgiving eyes from now on.
• If money is an issue, I am willing to pitch in some to save PDF - just tell me where to contribute in DM. I am sure some dedicated members would be more than willing to save PDF using monthly or quarterly Paypal dues.
• Re: the Bangladesh section - if you guys need me to take up responsibilities, I am very willing to do so to save the forum on an ongoing basis. However I also have a job and family responsibilities, so while I am willing, I also have minor limitations.
• As long as I am living - I hope to do my level best in saving PDF.

It is too late for this. This forum will be closed. There is only one option left. Open a new forum and invite members to the new platform.

I don't think the shut down was caused by posts of foreign nationals. Pakistanis have been posting a lot of deeply creative stuff against the army in Pakistani sections. Their reaction was expected.

The best way forward for admins is to redirect the site to a .com domain and transfer ownership of the site to someone based outside of Pakistan. This will keep the current community alive with a domain outside the reach of thugs.
.pk domain is all they can control. They cannot control the hosting which I am sure is outside of Pakistan.

This is the solution. Make no mistake. The new forum will thrive. If the owners allow we can use a dump of PDF on the new forum.

One thing we have learnt is that freedom of speech is just a term.

 

[Ali_Baba]

This forum - https://www.pakmil.net/forum - is still around ( from original Pakdef.org ) if people want to get that working by contributing there? The owner is in the USA.

 

[Bilal9]

I will contact you on Defense Hub if I need to talk to you, but if PDF is deleted, most probably I wouldnt be active any more on any defense forum

Yeah same here. Defense Hub is unfortunately dominated by people like Nilgiri, and I believe he convinced admin brothers over there to not having me as a member under any account (he has personal hatred for me and other Bangladeshis), even if I "behave myself". He has already done this several times. Therefore Defense Hub is more or less "Bangladesh-proof" forum although Turkey as a country is a large defence supplier to Bangladesh.

I had an account named Bilal99 over there which is not active anymore - I believe they disabled it without showing any cause. The same rules will apply to other Bangladeshis or Pakistanis, whenever they "feel like it".

Brothers like @MMM-E, @Joe Shearer and @Oublious may know more.

I had already decided to post occasionally here with longer posts and not engage with trolls - you may see I have ignored hundreds of them (mostly unfortunately from India) despite name-calling and provocations even yesterday. If people have personal hatred for you because of your flag what can you do? This is just not in PDF, it's all over social media. Hindutvabadis (even those in Indian cabinet) have infinite hate for Bangladeshis. But - we will persist.

I don't see me being a problem, except some Indian nationalists deciding things from a position of power which they have in Defense Hub.

What other option is there? Not going to Bharat Rakshak like other Indians, that is for sure.

Maybe I will open up our own Bangladeshi USA-based forum, eh @saif, @Destranator, @VikingRaider, @Homo Sapiens and @Avicenna bhais?

The name hopefully will be along the lines of "BanglaDefence" or "BanDef" maybe.

If @waz and @LeGenD bhais can save the emails, we can start that forum properly with folks from all countries.

Current forums based in Bangladesh are understandably heavily India-sycophant, as is expected. Not having a .BD domain name for a Bangladeshi forum, that is for sure.

Don't know if there is another Pakistani option.

 

[NooriNuth]

PDF being investigated by whom? And where?

 

[Bilal9]

This forum - https://www.pakmil.net/forum - is still around ( from original Pakdef.org ) if people want to get that working by contributing there? The owner is in the USA.

That forum is mainly to discuss Pakistan related discussion items which is natural.

The focus is not international yet. Hopefully things will grow if they add sections to discuss other countries.

The intention to widen the focus will need to be there.