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is there any performance comparison between J10 and JF17 thunder? if so please provide the link.

how is it similar or different to JF-17 role or performance wise?
 
is there any performance comparison between J10 and JF17 thunder? if so please provide the link.

how is it similar or different to JF-17 role or performance wise?

Sir, comparison can't be done or would be of no use, as both are different category planes. JF-17 is light weight, while J-10 is a medium weight plane.

Major difference is the engine thrust, thus J-10 can carry much heavier load, much farther away. Then due to its large size, J-10 can house a larger radar antenna, thus having more powerful radar with larger range.

Avionics can be same or mostly are same, except for radar, but being of different weight size, capability as well as objectives of both planes is different.

J-10 can more accurately be compared to F-16s.
 
Sir, comparison can't be done or would be of no use, as both are different category planes. JF-17 is light weight, while J-10 is a medium weight plane.

Major difference is the engine thrust, thus J-10 can carry much heavier load, much farther away. Then due to its large size, J-10 can house a larger radar antenna, thus having more powerful radar with larger range.

Avionics can be same or mostly are same, except for radar, but being of different weight size, capability as well as objectives of both planes is different.

J-10 can more accurately be compared to F-16s.


thanks for the information. the physical outlook is a big give away but its always good to ask as looks can be deceiving if you know what I am saying. Say compare f-16 (block53/60) with Mig29Ms or super Hornet F/A-18s although F-16 would appear to me the smallest and nimble but we all know its anything but inferior to them.

Coming back to this plane and based on your answer is it right to assume that
It is more suited for deep strikes than the JF-17?
A better Multi role or air superiority plane?
Would changing the avionics & radar dramatically change its role?
Purely on professional level is it a 4th to 4.5 generation plane?

In a hostile situation which plane would you commit out of the two? If both are armed with air defence role? I mean will it be a no-brainer to send off a J-10 for CAP or to intercept hostiles vs. a JF-17?
I guess your last sentence is a give away but since JF-17 is always compared to be as good or at par with F-16 so a naturally this question springs to mind.

please comment on my statement.
"If J-10 is inducted then it will share the same roles as F-16s and form the part of front line fighters while JF-17s will replace the aging planes and act as force multipliers for both J-10s and F16s
 
Coming back to this plane and based on your answer is it right to assume that
It is more suited for deep strikes than the JF-17?
A better Multi role or air superiority plane?
Would changing the avionics & radar dramatically change its role?
Purely on professional level is it a 4th to 4.5 generation plane?

Yes, J-10 is more suited for deep strike missions as it can carry more payload, more heavier bombs, at farther ranges.

I believe with PAF participation and even right now is, its gonna become a good multi-role with good characteristics for ground strike as well as air superiority role.

Don't think so its role would be changed dramatically with any new avionics or radar, rather with addition of these things, it will become more good at its defined objectives and role.

The J-10As are 4th gen, J-10Bs may be and most probably would be something like 4.5th Gen ones, as that is the next target which has to be achieved.

In a hostile situation which plane would you commit out of the two? If both are armed with air defence role? I mean will it be a no-brainer to send off a J-10 for CAP or to intercept hostiles vs. a JF-17?
I guess your last sentence is a give away but since JF-17 is always compared to be as good or at par with F-16 so a naturally this question springs to mind.

I will commit both of them if they are at my disposal. People take slightly JF-17s, since its small, but in today's highly multi-sensor battlefield, it can be used to its maximum. With data link and advanced communication systems, you can do wonders. JF-17 is small, its RCS is low, which can be further worked upon and reduced further, with such a low RCS, it can sneak near to its targets and launch its BVR missiles, it has good dog fighting capability, which can be utilized further with addition of HMD devices. It can take down a larger enemy.

And Sir, the comparison with F-16 is done, as that is the best we have, so we compare to see what we are getting with respect to the best platform we have. In range and payload, its inferior to our Blk 15s, but in dog fighting skills for which F-16s are renowned, it has taken done F-16s with good record tilting towards the JF-17, its radar is superior so are the rest of the avionics. Only Blk 52 beats it in avionics, dog fighting skills are still be checked. So Blk 15 wins in range and payload, but rest of the things are superior in JF-17.

please comment on my statement.
"If J-10 is inducted then it will share the same roles as F-16s and form the part of front line fighters while JF-17s will replace the aging planes and act as force multipliers for both J-10s and F16s


If the up gradation which we hear with respect to Blk II & III of JF-17 happens, it will not only be a force multiplier to the J-10 & F-16 front line fighters, rather it can become a front line fighter itself. Which is the role PAF is looking for JF-17s in future. It wants its whole fleet to be multi-role, as well as capable enough to be front line fighters, because the enemy strength will increase in coming years, which can't be defended by just 150-200 front line fighters, we need more, JF-17 might be small, but it will have a good punch with the planned upgrades in the future Blocks.
 

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