Extension Issue : Army Chief Qamar Javed Bajwa Reaches PM House

[The Eagle]

i think better gen bajwa announce retirement ,even if he continues he will become less powerful army chief after this

Less powerful? why because the post as such needs new engine or tuning service due to last off-road ride and needs replacement of clutch plates?

 

[Jinn Baba]

Thousands of pending Cases!!
A number of Convicted Ex Felons allowed to fly
These Incompetent Rejected Lot who wouldn't get a decent job are now dictating what others should do
Get that 111 Brigade Ready & get them a short tour of Attock

Bad bad judges. They should have prioritised cases on a first filed first heard basis and not dismissed Gilani or NS, right? and not heard any of the other cases against the opposition or whom they appointed?

The fact that you think it's the judges that let NS escape shows just how brainwashed you are!

 

[Yaseen1]

and provide anti state elements opportunity to cause civil unrest and involve army within country so india invade from our borders

Thousands of pending Cases!!
A number of Convicted Ex Felons allowed to fly
These Incompetent Rejected Lot who wouldn't get a decent job are now dictating what others should do
Get that 111 Brigade Ready & get them a short tour of Attock

 

[The Eagle]

Hope hes there to tell the PM that the army is bigger than a single individual, and that there are many competent Lt Gens who can quite easily replace him as COAS.

Why should he say when there is nothing as such. You sound like COAS extension is the matter of personal interest over State Constitution & Institution. At-least pay due credit to the right facts & analysis instead of a knee-jerk.

 

[Jinn Baba]

He is under no legal or moral obligation to decline the PM's decision to extend his tenure. The SC has acted in a shameful manner.

The chief of army staff accepting an extension that serves only his own personal interests from a PM who is issuing that extension only for his own interests, and you think there is nothing immoral in that?

 

[Yaseen1]

army chief has moral authority which is major source of his power and building morale and obedience of subordinates ,when this authority is lost it reduces his power within army ranks

Less powerful? why because the post as such needs new engine or tuning service due to last off-road ride and needs replacement of clutch plates?

 

[Jinn Baba]

Why should he say when there is nothing as such. You sound like COAS extension is the matter of personal interest over State Constitution & Institution. At-least pay due credit to the right facts & analysis instead of a knee-jerk.

Isnt it? Who does this extension serve other than Bajwa and IK? Or is the Pak Army so incompetent that it hasn't produced another Lt Gen who can take over this role?

 

[The Eagle]

army chief has moral authority which is major source of his power and building morale and obedience of subordinates ,when this authority is lost it reduces his power within army ranks

Institution & SOPs are the authority that develops moral of people within. His moral authority is still confident & will rise more stronger, as if extended the tenure. Nobody should think that such issues are comparable to some private organizational politics. Army Ranks, from top to bottom, follows the Institutional guidelines.

Isnt it? Who does this extension serve other than Bajwa and IK? Or is the Pak Army so incompetent that it hasn't produced another Lt Gen who can take over this role?

Just because it is currently IK & Bajwa, so you think the argument of "who does serve" is stronger? Is it even about incompetence & competence or rather about a man with enough experience at hand to deal with severe crises for Pakistan? Let's rise above the average way to look into such matters.

 

[insight-out]

Technical error means his extension was not lawful. The SC is also investigating whether any law in Pakistan actually permits for an extension to be granted to a COAS.

If this was NS or Zardari you would all be on the judges side!

I assess the court's decisions on its merits, not based on who benefits or who doesn't.

 

[PakSword]

Why? What is so special about Gen Bajwa that he just cannot be let go? Why play this "game" at all and not simply retire like hes supposed to?

It's more than that.. it's about enforcing authority now. A chief executive has the authority to take the decision of extension. There are many instances where courts overstepped. Such as when government asked to provide security against taking the name out of ecl.

Have you ever seen that court opens for the biggest thief on Saturday and prepares the guarantee letter for a convicted criminal?

I am more in support of enforcement of authority where the constitution has given permission to the chief executive or the president of pakistan more than extension of Bajwa. I know there are capable generals and they can take over, but as I said, it's now a matter of imposing authority.

 

[Yaseen1]

i think we know what happened when gen ziauddin butt was appointed by nawaz and there was division within army at that time,same can happen again this time

Institution & SOPs are the authority that develops moral of people within. His moral authority is still confident & will rise more stronger, as if extended the tenure. Nobody should think that such issues are comparable to some private organizational politics. Army Ranks, from top to bottom, follows the Institutional guidelines.



Just because it is currently IK & Bajwa, so you think the argument of "who does serve" is stronger? Is it even about incompetence & competence or rather about a man with enough experience at hand to deal with severe crises for Pakistan? Let's rise above the average way to look into such matters.

 

[The Eagle]

i think we now what happened when gen ziauddin butt was appointed by nawaz and there was division within army at that time,same can happen again this time

You aren't aware about the current institutional build-up. Can, would, could etc aren't not so confident words though you can try to stick to your opinion and that can be wrong too... even I can be so lest not try to be authoritarian into matters that we aren't sure. Did the COAS or ISPR ever acknowledge extension or even showed a bit of sign that it was pleasant to have it? did you or anyone else ever heard from any official within Army that COAS will continue with extension?

IK made a decision as such and the same is not yet executed as COAS is still serving his term and has the liberty to excuse himself from extension rather retiring as in routine. What if this so-called petition drama was a deliberate setup to make it more controversial & conspiracy to mislead the masses at large? What if there is no such issue and he will be rising more stronger than anyone can think? So why not to look at bright side instead of trying to be wrongly authority over the matter. I am just trying to throw a spanner to avoid negativity.

 

[insight-out]

The chief of army staff accepting an extension that serves only his own personal interests from a PM who is issuing that extension only for his own interests, and you think there is nothing immoral in that?

That is your judgement, which you cannot possibly prove, and I disagree with it. My assessment (which you will surely disagree with) is that the country needs a stable and predictable 4 years, so that the government may deal with the economic mess. Bajwa and IK work well together and trust each other. Their presence is good for the country.

The life of a COAS post retirement is not exactly hard. He commands all the respect, has all the land and money, and connections, without the responsibility and work. I am sure most people in his position would find it in their "own personal interest" to retire.

 

[PakSword]

i think we know what happened when gen ziauddin butt was appointed by nawaz and there was division within army at that time,same can happen again this time

There was no division in army at that time.

Actually army got united because a prime minister disgraced an army chief while he was in air and flying near Indian territory.

At that time as well, if chief executive had waited for the other chief to land and removed him, army would have been less enraged.

 

[Yaseen1]

there is difference now as musharaf was removed earlier before his tenure completion so he has moral authority at that time but gen bajwa has completed his tenure so army leadership may be divided between standing with gen bajwa or sc

There was no division in army at that time.

Actually army got united because a prime minister disgraced an army chief while he was in air and flying near Indian territory.

At that time as well, if chief executive had waited for the other chief to land and removed him, army would have been less enraged.