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Pervez Musharraf, who in 2005 established contacts via Turkey, told journalist in Dubai that there is no harm in establishing relations with Israel, ‘it will help Pakistan counter India.’
The Media Line|Published: 03.05.19 , 18:05


Pervez Musharraf

“There is no harm to establish a relationship with Israel,” Musharraf said, adding that “it will help Pakistan counter India” by accessing an “elite club” of “influential” nations.

His remarks came as tensions between Pakistan and India spiked over the contested Kashmir region.

Musharraf led Pakistan from 1999 to 2008. He was a strong critic of Israel until 2005, when he established contacts with the help of Turkey. Since then, he has been a staunch supporter of ties between the two countries.

“As expected, the Israeli leadership responded to my offer within 24 hours,” he stated, adding he believed that Israel would still welcome such ties.

The former president claims to enjoy support from Pakistan’s military establishment and cabinet members in the government of Prime Minister Imran Khan.


Imran Khan

There was no official Pakistani reaction to Musharraf’s comment, although Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi told The Media Line that the Palestinian issue would first need to be solved.

“Pakistan has had a pro-Palestine stance for long time. We cannot even think of establishing contact with Israel until Palestine is internationally recognized as an independent state,” he said.

Anti-Israel sentiment is currently at an all-time high in Pakistan, a Muslim-majority country of 220 million people.


Anti Western protest in Pakistan (Photo: EPA)

Musharraf’s initial efforts to establish ties with Israel led to a 2005 meeting in Turkey between the two countries’ foreign ministers. The meeting was facilitated by Jack Rosen, a U.S. businessman and today president of the American Jewish Congress.

Musharraf addressed a gathering of the World Jewish Congress in September of that year.

“Pakistan has no direct conflict with Israel,” he said at the time. “Also, Pakistan is not a threat to Israel’s security. Israel represents no threat to Pakistan’s national security. But I have sympathy for the Palestinian people and their legitimate desire for a state,” Musharraf said.


Pakistan streets

In his speech, which was hailed by many back in Pakistan, he praised Israel’s 2005 withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, calling it a “courageous decision.”

Nevertheless, his suggestion that Pakistan be open to diplomatic relations with Israel sparked fierce reactions from individual Pakistani political figures, even within his own government. They included Ijaz ul-Haq, his minister for religious affairs and minorities.

“We can’t even think of establishing relations with Israel. No, not at all,” Haq, currently president of the Pakistan Muslim League, told The Media Line.

As president of Pakistan and head of its army, Haq’s father, Zia ul-Haq, allowed the nation’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) to establish links with Israel’s Mossad in the early 1980s.

According to WikiLeaks, the ISI secretly provided intelligence to the Mossad indicating that Israeli civilians might be targeted in a terrorist attack in India in 2008. Several Israeli citizens were indeed killed in November of that year during a massive series of attacks in Mumbai, one of them targeting the city’s Chabad House.

A source in Islamabad said that then-ISI chief Lt.-Gen. Ahmad Shuja Pasha personally established direct contact with the Mossad to pass on the information.

Written by Kaswar Klasra and peprinted with permission from The Media Line

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0...2GIrF4fg94dPa3y839bDxL8O4cWRwmhWET5eYf5KIFJIU
 
How the hell would it counter india??

What a ridiculous statement

Lately everyone is after us to drop our hostility to israel
The Arabs have a anti-iran alliance and want us to join too and make friends with israel

Whilst im largely unconcerned we should have a desire to hit back at israel for making the indians act more stupid then normal

Atleast their great advice let us slap the indians
 
Pervez Musharraf, who in 2005 established contacts via Turkey, told journalist in Dubai that there is no harm in establishing relations with Israel, ‘it will help Pakistan counter India.’
The Media Line|Published: 03.05.19 , 18:05


Pervez Musharraf

“There is no harm to establish a relationship with Israel,” Musharraf said, adding that “it will help Pakistan counter India” by accessing an “elite club” of “influential” nations.

His remarks came as tensions between Pakistan and India spiked over the contested Kashmir region.

Musharraf led Pakistan from 1999 to 2008. He was a strong critic of Israel until 2005, when he established contacts with the help of Turkey. Since then, he has been a staunch supporter of ties between the two countries.

“As expected, the Israeli leadership responded to my offer within 24 hours,” he stated, adding he believed that Israel would still welcome such ties.

The former president claims to enjoy support from Pakistan’s military establishment and cabinet members in the government of Prime Minister Imran Khan.


Imran Khan

There was no official Pakistani reaction to Musharraf’s comment, although Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi told The Media Line that the Palestinian issue would first need to be solved.

“Pakistan has had a pro-Palestine stance for long time. We cannot even think of establishing contact with Israel until Palestine is internationally recognized as an independent state,” he said.

Anti-Israel sentiment is currently at an all-time high in Pakistan, a Muslim-majority country of 220 million people.


Anti Western protest in Pakistan (Photo: EPA)

Musharraf’s initial efforts to establish ties with Israel led to a 2005 meeting in Turkey between the two countries’ foreign ministers. The meeting was facilitated by Jack Rosen, a U.S. businessman and today president of the American Jewish Congress.

Musharraf addressed a gathering of the World Jewish Congress in September of that year.

“Pakistan has no direct conflict with Israel,” he said at the time. “Also, Pakistan is not a threat to Israel’s security. Israel represents no threat to Pakistan’s national security. But I have sympathy for the Palestinian people and their legitimate desire for a state,” Musharraf said.


Pakistan streets

In his speech, which was hailed by many back in Pakistan, he praised Israel’s 2005 withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, calling it a “courageous decision.”

Nevertheless, his suggestion that Pakistan be open to diplomatic relations with Israel sparked fierce reactions from individual Pakistani political figures, even within his own government. They included Ijaz ul-Haq, his minister for religious affairs and minorities.

“We can’t even think of establishing relations with Israel. No, not at all,” Haq, currently president of the Pakistan Muslim League, told The Media Line.

As president of Pakistan and head of its army, Haq’s father, Zia ul-Haq, allowed the nation’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) to establish links with Israel’s Mossad in the early 1980s.

According to WikiLeaks, the ISI secretly provided intelligence to the Mossad indicating that Israeli civilians might be targeted in a terrorist attack in India in 2008. Several Israeli citizens were indeed killed in November of that year during a massive series of attacks in Mumbai, one of them targeting the city’s Chabad House.

A source in Islamabad said that then-ISI chief Lt.-Gen. Ahmad Shuja Pasha personally established direct contact with the Mossad to pass on the information.

Written by Kaswar Klasra and peprinted with permission from The Media Line

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0...2GIrF4fg94dPa3y839bDxL8O4cWRwmhWET5eYf5KIFJIU
The only good thing that ever came out of this guy's mouth. The single easiest thing Pakistan could do to improve it's positon would be recognize Israel. The horrible thing [because Pakistan recognition will carry less value] is it will happen soon after Mohammed Bin Salman recognizes Israel on behalf of Saudia ~ this will happen over the next decade after he has secured his position inside KSA.
 
The only good thing that ever came out of this guy's mouth. The single easiest thing Pakistan could do to improve it's positon would be recognize Israel.
what good will that do? Also keep in mind we have nothing to do with Israel except a negotiation which favours Palestinians.
 
“Pakistan has had a pro-Palestine stance for long time. We cannot even think of establishing contact with Israel until Palestine is internationally recognized as an independent state,” he said.

Says the Foreign Minister of the country that had to accept Bangladesh as an independent country to get it's 90,000 POWs freed.
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Pakistan establishing relations with Israel can serve as a counter to attempts to have Israel be wiggled into conflicts involving Pakistan. The recent knowledge that Israel was playing a hand in India's planned military actions across Pakistan could have been avoided if Israel has a full briefing.

Pakistan doesn't have much 'moral ground' to stand on against Israel. Has 1971 been forgotten or the military actions in Balochistan? Serving as a refugee camp for Afghans, Somalis, Rohingya doesn't wash away the blood of innocents killed. Even if you call it 'Collateral Damage'.

And it's not like Palestinian Authority has any opinions on Kashmir.
 
Pakistan must uitlize Israeli irrigation expertise in balochistan. Would be of great help in increasing net agri produce .
 
We should recognise Israel. Whether you recognize or not this is reality Israel exists and it is country.
You get nothing if you close eyes.
Millions of jews already died in holocaust. Big numbers moved to Israel
 
what good will that do?
It will do a word of good for Pakistan. Please understand here that I probably know more and have better understanding of the Zionist project and establishment of Israel then most here. I am big admirer of the books of the late Palestinian writer, Edward Said. It is not my ignorance that informs my thinking but the opposite. I have deep understanding of the subject. So please spare me reading the 'Israel is evil' etc stories. I can write books on it.


But in the real world the reasons are as follows -

  • The Jewish communities across every major western country begining with USA and over to Europe hold enormous influence in their respective governments, business, media, intelligentsia, politics. The influence that the Jewish community has in the western world is unprecedented. The Jews dominate western elites and all have links with Israel. To make it simple by opposing Israel you can imprison yourself like Iran or at a lesser level make yourself slog uphill like Pakistan does in the international fora. Recognition of Israel and a more positive engagement with that country would make life for Pakistan far easier in the global arena. Image in the media, investments, trade would all improve. Pakistan would see a rise in it's international position. At the moment we are somewehere below Syria and above Somalia/Afghanistan.

  • By recognition and a more positive engagment Israel would have no reason to engage in any anti-Pak conspiracies such as are peddled by many here.

  • By recognition and more positive engagment Pakistan could play a more constructive role in the issues in Palestine. No recognition means having no influence. Closing your eyes does not make the problem go away.

But I don't expect this to be understood because most of Pakistan thinks with emotions, a corrupted sense of history, a ridicalous mixture of politics laced with religion and mullah power. The result you see. A country financially near bankrupt, image worse then Somalia and Afghanistan*.

*At least they have excuses like war etc.
 
Pervez Musharraf, who in 2005 established contacts via Turkey, told journalist in Dubai that there is no harm in establishing relations with Israel, ‘it will help Pakistan counter India.’
The Media Line|Published: 03.05.19 , 18:05


Pervez Musharraf

“There is no harm to establish a relationship with Israel,” Musharraf said, adding that “it will help Pakistan counter India” by accessing an “elite club” of “influential” nations.

His remarks came as tensions between Pakistan and India spiked over the contested Kashmir region.

Musharraf led Pakistan from 1999 to 2008. He was a strong critic of Israel until 2005, when he established contacts with the help of Turkey. Since then, he has been a staunch supporter of ties between the two countries.

“As expected, the Israeli leadership responded to my offer within 24 hours,” he stated, adding he believed that Israel would still welcome such ties.

The former president claims to enjoy support from Pakistan’s military establishment and cabinet members in the government of Prime Minister Imran Khan.


Imran Khan

There was no official Pakistani reaction to Musharraf’s comment, although Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi told The Media Line that the Palestinian issue would first need to be solved.

“Pakistan has had a pro-Palestine stance for long time. We cannot even think of establishing contact with Israel until Palestine is internationally recognized as an independent state,” he said.

Anti-Israel sentiment is currently at an all-time high in Pakistan, a Muslim-majority country of 220 million people.


Anti Western protest in Pakistan (Photo: EPA)

Musharraf’s initial efforts to establish ties with Israel led to a 2005 meeting in Turkey between the two countries’ foreign ministers. The meeting was facilitated by Jack Rosen, a U.S. businessman and today president of the American Jewish Congress.

Musharraf addressed a gathering of the World Jewish Congress in September of that year.

“Pakistan has no direct conflict with Israel,” he said at the time. “Also, Pakistan is not a threat to Israel’s security. Israel represents no threat to Pakistan’s national security. But I have sympathy for the Palestinian people and their legitimate desire for a state,” Musharraf said.


Pakistan streets

In his speech, which was hailed by many back in Pakistan, he praised Israel’s 2005 withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, calling it a “courageous decision.”

Nevertheless, his suggestion that Pakistan be open to diplomatic relations with Israel sparked fierce reactions from individual Pakistani political figures, even within his own government. They included Ijaz ul-Haq, his minister for religious affairs and minorities.

“We can’t even think of establishing relations with Israel. No, not at all,” Haq, currently president of the Pakistan Muslim League, told The Media Line.

As president of Pakistan and head of its army, Haq’s father, Zia ul-Haq, allowed the nation’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) to establish links with Israel’s Mossad in the early 1980s.

According to WikiLeaks, the ISI secretly provided intelligence to the Mossad indicating that Israeli civilians might be targeted in a terrorist attack in India in 2008. Several Israeli citizens were indeed killed in November of that year during a massive series of attacks in Mumbai, one of them targeting the city’s Chabad House.

A source in Islamabad said that then-ISI chief Lt.-Gen. Ahmad Shuja Pasha personally established direct contact with the Mossad to pass on the information.

Written by Kaswar Klasra and peprinted with permission from The Media Line

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0...2GIrF4fg94dPa3y839bDxL8O4cWRwmhWET5eYf5KIFJIU
Ur actions fu#ked any chance of that.
 
A country financially near bankrupt, image worse then Somalia and Afghanistan*.
The sad thing is Pakistan's image is below Syria and next to Somalia and Afghanistan. Sad because Pakistan is the odd one out here. Somalia and Afghanistan deserve to be where they are. But Pakistan? We know that Pakistan is as safe [if not more] then India, more cleaner, more developed, less poverty, more friendly people, vast and beautiful geography, a great and diverse people and land with history that places it near to Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece. Yet the word looks us as another Somalia. This is thanks to western media. Now find out who has control of most of the media.
 
If this is true then, the end game has started.

However i don't think israeli pilots would fly in a mig 21 or a sukhoi 30 aircraft, they are not that proficient in those machines.

Also were they trying to even the score of previous war casualties pakistan did to them in their wars with arabs? I dont think they are that naive.

Although israeliz are ballzy against inferior enemies i don't think they have guts to mess with a countryike pakistan.

Israel is the size of azad kashmir roughly...

I don't think they can afford to make us their open enemies. It doesn't make sense.

As we keep our distance from them they keep a distance from us as well

Their interst lies in middle east, we are not even part of that region.


As for recognition of israel, when they solve their problem with palistine we can start diplomatic engagements with them, not before
 

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