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Elon Musk suggests Tesla and 9 Chinese companies will be the top 10 carmakers

Steve Mollman
Thu, November 30, 2023 at 1:32 PM EST

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In 2011, Elon Musk ridiculed the quality of electric vehicles made by China’s BYD. Then he admitted this May that “their cars are highly competitive these days.” Now, the Tesla CEO is amping up his praise of Chinese EV makers.

“The Chinese car companies are extremely competitive," Musk said at this week’s New York Times Dealbook conference. "China is super good at manufacturing, and the work ethic is incredible.”

He even went so far as to suggest that the top 10 automakers of the future might be mostly Chinese ones—although he still envisions Tesla sitting atop them all.

“There's a lot of people out there who think that the top 10 car companies are going to be Tesla followed by nine Chinese car companies,” he said at the conference. “I think they might not be wrong.”

In the case of BYD, its manufacturing prowess had long impressed Berkshire Hathaway vice chairman Charlie Munger, who passed away this week. While Berkshire generally steers clear of the auto industry—it declined to invest in Tesla—Munger led an enormously successful investment in BYD. He called the carmaker’s founder and CEO Wang Chuanfu a “natural engineer,” adding that “the guy at BYD is better at actually making things than Elon is.”

'Demolish the old legends'

BYD came within a few thousand vehicles of surpassing Tesla in global EV sales in the third quarter (it already sells more when factoring in other categories including hybrids). It’s widely expected to take the lead this quarter or in the near future, even though it hasn’t entered the U.S. market amid a global expansion.

But Wang himself thinks many Chinese automakers—others include Nio, Xpeng, and Li Auto—have a bright future. “I believe the time has come for Chinese brands,” he said earlier this year. He called upon other Chinese automakers to go global and “demolish the old legends” of the industry.

Not everyone agrees with Musk on the auto industry's future, of course. Toyota, for instance, doubled down on hybrids even as Musk called them a “phase,” and this year they’ve proven to be a “smoking-hot market,” as one executive put it.

But it isn’t just Musk warily eyeing China’s formidable EV makers. Ford Motor executive chairman Bill Ford Jr. warned earlier this year that U.S. automakers are “not quite ready yet” to compete with them on electric vehicles.

“They developed very quickly, and they’ve developed them in large scale, and now they are exporting,” Ford said.

China atop Tesla's EV 'leagues'

Meanwhile China itself remains the world’s largest EV market, with 59% of global sales last year, according to the World Economic Forum.

Ford CEO Jim Farley added at a finance event in May, while discussing the EV future: “We see the Chinese as the main competitor, not GM or Toyota. The Chinese are going to be the powerhouse.”

One key advantage for China is its dominance in the EV supply chain. BYD, for instance, can keep its vehicle prices low in part because it owns the supply chain of its EV batteries, from the raw materials to the finished battery packs. It also designs its own semiconductors.

BYD launched an EV called the Seagull with a cutthroat price of about $11,000 earlier this year. It’s quickly become one of the best-selling EVs in China. The Seagull and similar vehicles from China could prove to be a disruptive force in overseas markets.

“If we consider different leagues of competitiveness at Tesla,” Musk said, “we consider the Chinese league to be the most competitive.”

 

Li Auto and Xpeng continue rewriting monthly sales records, charged by mainland China’s love for battery-powered vehicles

  • Beijing-based carmaker Li Auto has now broken its monthly sales record for eight straight months, after November peak
  • Guangzhou-based Xpeng‘s November deliveries erased the monthly record set in October
Published: 9:30pm, 1 Dec, 2023


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Xpeng’s electric vehicle (EV) G9 is seen displayed at the Xpeng booth during the first China International Supply Chain Expo (CISCE) in Beijing, China November 28, 2023. Photo: Reuters

Li Auto and Xpeng, two top premium electric vehicle (EV) builders in China, rewrote sales records in November, as their new car models amplified the popularity of battery-powered vehicles.

Li Auto, which joined the Hang Seng Index as one of the new constituents this month, reported deliveries of 41,030 units in November, up 1.5 per cent from the previous record of 40,422 it had set in October. The Beijing-based carmaker has now broken its monthly sales record for eight straight months.

Guangzhou-based Xpeng handed 20,041 vehicles to buyers last month, up from 20,002 units in October. The November deliveries erased the monthly record set in October.

“In November, Li Auto achieved its full-year delivery target ahead of time,” Li Xiang, co-founder and CEO of Beijing-based Li Auto, said in a statement on Friday. “Propelled by the growing market demand, we will continue to strive for a 50,000 monthly delivery target in December with ample preparations in sales, supply, production, and delivery capabilities.”

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Li Auto Inc. Mega MPV on display at the Guangzhou Auto Show in Guangzhou, China, on Friday, Nov. 17, 2023. China is the world’s largest electric vehicle market. Photo: Bloomberg

Li Auto, which builds luxury sport utility vehicles (SUVs), has emerged as Tesla’s biggest challenger in mainland China this year, buoyed by strong sales of its new models – L7, L8 and L9. All its vehicles are priced above 300,000 yuan (US$42,335).

The company’s total deliveries between January and November jumped 191 per cent year on year to 325,677 units, beating its full-year sales target of 300,000 vehicles.

Tesla’s Shanghai Gigafactory does not report monthly deliveries. According to the China Passenger Car Association (CPCA), the US carmaker handed 28,626 units to mainland customers in October, a month-on-month decline of 34.2 per cent. It followed a 32.8 per cent fall in September from the previous month.

In the first 10 months of 2023, Tesla delivered 378,800 vehicles, an increase of 62.2 per cent year on year, CPCA data showed.

“More middle-class consumers in China have been convinced that battery-powered vehicles represent the future of mobility,” said Phate Zhang, founder of Shanghai-based EV data provider CnEVPost. “Leading EV makers will continue to see sales increase but smaller players may find it difficult to survive a fiercer competition ahead.”

Xpeng’s buoyant sales resulted from the rising popularity of the new G6 SUV, which accounted for nearly half of its total deliveries in November.

A total of 8,750 G6s were delivered last month, compared with 8,741 units in October.

But another top Chinese premium EV builder, Nio, said its November deliveries slipped 0.7 per cent from a month ago to 15,959 units.

Tesla raised prices of its Shanghai-made Model 3 and Model Y vehicles in October and November due to higher production costs, making cars built by its Chinese rivals attractive to mainland motorists in terms of pricing.

Nio, Xpeng and Li Auto are now facing new rivals such as smartphone vendor Xiaomi and search-engine giant Baidu, whose intelligent vehicles are luring wealthy motorists away from established players.

Aito, a car brand developed by telecoms equipment giant Huawei, delivered a record 18,827 vehicles in November, up 48.2 per cent from a month ago.

The CPCA has predicted that the country’s EV industry will achieve a 50 per cent year-on-year sales growth in 2023, delivering a total of 8.5 million units to mainland Chinese customers.

 
I wonder why does Elon Musk said that?

Theoretically, China car companies gives a shock in automotive market, but it doesn't mean other companies can't catching up.
 
I wonder why does Elon Musk said that?

Theoretically, China car companies gives a shock in automotive market, but it doesn't mean other companies can't catching up.
I still remember Hamartia ridiculing Chinese cars last year. Chinese have an advantage, we are always underestimated. This gives us space and time.
 
without terror feudal xi associated with chinese, chinese evs would have surpassed tesla already
 
Tesla will be #1 in US and EU as other US/EU carmakers go bankrupt and both korean and japs losing marketshare

Chinese EV will be #1 in the world

Yeah, I think Tesla will be like Apple and Chinese EV brands will be like Samsung/Android.
 

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