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1) NS or IK or anyone from Pakistan ain't my leader. My leaders sit in the Washington DC and don't ever tell the public to attack state buildings or spread violence. We resolve our issues democratically and peacefully and bring about change through the vote.
2) Whether NS attacked SC or Musharraf or Zia killed hundreds civilians and violated the constitution, you should consult with your supreme court. These things were WAY past this time, some even decades ago.
3) What I am talking about it TODAY and the FUTURE. For the past two years, for the first time in Pakistan's history (sadly, 70 years after), a government completed its turn. Another one came in through votes. And has been working since and have a lot of things going for Pakistan for which, the results starting 2017 will speak for themselves.
Today, in 2014, holding someone accountable for 1990's mess....isn't fair. Similarly, IK's drinking habits, his other child, many girlfriends and gambling habits (all signs of BI POLAR mental disorder), are all in the past. For anyone to judge someone a decade or two after, instead of what they are doing today, is wrong.
4) The government has been at work, they have a strategy. IK knows that these guys will make progress and he may not ever get a chance towards being a PM. He's desperate and greedy and he is damaging the country and an entire nation for his own greed of power. This is or shouldn't be acceptable for a civilized nation. When a leader forces you to attack places instead of peaceful revolution, or bring about change through vote, he's not sincere to his followers. He's not even a leader at that point as he's working under his own greedy agenda, vs. something really beneficial for the country.
Sad part is, people like you and others with some money are supporting this guy due to ethnic or personal political issues. A disease that plagues Pakistan's politics for decades. Its individualism, party-ism vs. nationalism. This is WHY Pakistan couldn't grow.
Now there is a clear opportunity for Pakistan to grow BUT....IK won't want that as this doesn't fit into his own personal greed of power agenda. Hell with the entire nation's future but his imagination and greed should be fulfilled!
For me, this government's performances has only been marginally better than the last, noticeably better but well below par. Goals it set were ambitious and it won't meet them, and so far hasn't.
But I hate this idea of Pakistanis jumping up and down after the new government is barely entering it's second year. Fiscal reform from the time of budget implementation realistically takes about 18 months to have any actual effect on the economy, monetary measures act a bit faster.
I reckon if PTI was in power, voted, in to power, not installed by anarchy. It too would fall miserably short of it's goals. Granted, I expect it would perform better than it's competitors. To what extent that is true, KPK will be observed, asking why PTI has not yet fulfilled it's promises in KPK yet is an equally foolish question.
You couldn't even let them have their fun just once? How cruel of you.
I said that too, back in August I was also crying about how much damage this political instability would cause. I wish somebody would calculate the damage to the economy caused by that 'revolution'.
Nobody denies that Musharraf's time was much better, but you are missing out hundreds of factors contributing to the bad times which might surprise you and why that time seemed better, reasons for that also should surprise you.
Musharraf is the reason we had 5 years of hell following his exile.
For one, he mismanaged the war on terror a whole lot, he is hugely to blame for the situation we are in, in terms of of the security situation. Second, following his coming to power, we went through a few years of poor growth and sanctions which people seem to have forgotten, that was his fault too. The energy crisis which has been out of control since PPP times started way back under Musharraf, I'd say around 2002-2003 when energy demand started catching up with and later started outstripping supply. Musharraf gave clean sheets to all sorts of politicians and criminals, the political situation he created in the last years of his time directly led to the voting in of the governments you so despise. He made very little in the way of actual reform from the grass roots level, on the face of it the economy was growing, but all that was unsustainable growth propped up by things that would set us up to fall twice as hard. And believe me, has Musharraf had stayed another 2 years, in time for the global economic meltdown and in time for the worsening of the security situation, you'd think very differently of his rule too.
I could go on, but I think there's enough there for you to do some research and to think about.
You got no right to say something like that. That's a stupid, stupid comment.
And if you love your PTI government, please go live in KPK, leave Bolton immediately, pack your bags friend.
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The truth has been spoken. Crushing the dreams of children is fun.
He is a coward as well and knows his limits. Only Bhuttos had really challenged the power centre and see where they ended up.I hope Imran finds the balls to ask COAS to form a JIT to investigate the matter.
First of all brother we are comparing overall performance of Musharraf with others at that point I say Musharraf was much better. As far as electricity is concerned he tried to built Kalabagh Dam but PPP stopped that Plan. Yeah, there would be many problems when he came into power but he slowly resolved them and at the mid his governance became much better. As far as Economy is concerned before 2008 the economy was growing much better as compared to today. Inflation rate was in control and we were not on so much debt. At Musharraf reign the security situation was much good compared to today. Corruption was much in control at that time. LB were held at that time. As far as clean sheets is given did the other 2 government except PTI in KPK tried to stop corruption? Well I don't believe that if he stays for 2 more years than the economy would be the worst I believe it in opposite way.
First of all if your leaders live in Washington then get out of here and join a US forum and pay the taxes to your leaders so that they can do something good for their peoples and can destroy others. .
, where we all share many values. I will continue to write about Pakistani people's right to bring change through peaceful, tolerant democratic process, which is through the vote!!!thanks to Imran Khan and PTI whinning and intentional dharna drama, and waste of media and Pakistani money....what about that crap performance by PTI too?
PMLN is now picking its game, its working true hard, day and night, while PTI workers here can only dream, envy and burn, rather than contribute towards making Pakistan successful, which they promise from their birth.
PTI has FAILED in KPK almost completely, hence all the drama in Islamabad.
SAD part is.....by sitting in a comfy chair in the US....I am STILL showing more care for the average Pakistanis than your IK. That's a fact. That guy wants to attack your parliament and other important state symbols again, he wants to spread violence that could turn into a civil war between the few thousands he has and the millions others can bring from their vote bank. But IK doesn't care about Pakistan. I think I am showing more of that here.
Next, time and time again. You blame others for not delivering. Had the military not intervene in the democratic process by coupes, you would've seen the democratic system clean up your political system as the PEOPLE would've elected new faces / parties if the ones promising didn't deliver.
I can go back and highlight decades of mistakes, including IK's issues, past and all......BUT, does that change or impact anything in Pakistan today? NO!! So, I have to be objective here and you should too. Write about what hasn't been delivered that was promise by the elected government. Show proof, educated people so they don't elect the same. But this is a PEACEFUL process. Its to teach people how to bring about change without turning the entire society into revenge and violent focused. The democracy is all about voting the right people by the People. If you use violence, you'll never come up. IK is being greedy and selfish by running a lie based campaign, with false accusations, threats and violence for no good reason but his own greed to be the PM. The NATION of Pakistan, doesn't need to become hostage to one person's selfish violent agenda. End of the story. People should want peaceful change, through the voting system, and without attacking anyone or anything. Instead of teaching good, IK is teaching violence. A friend of mine told me today that IK's violence based politics are against Islam. I let you use your common sense.
SAD part is.....by sitting in a comfy chair in the US....I am STILL showing more care for the average Pakistanis than your IK. That's a fact. That guy wants to attack your parliament and other important state symbols again, he wants to spread violence that could turn into a civil war between the few thousands he has and the millions others can bring from their vote bank. But IK doesn't care about Pakistan. I think I am showing more of that here.
Next, time and time again. You blame others for not delivering. Had the military not intervene in the democratic process by coupes, you would've seen the democratic system clean up your political system as the PEOPLE would've elected new faces / parties if the ones promising didn't deliver.
I can go back and highlight decades of mistakes, including IK's issues, past and all......BUT, does that change or impact anything in Pakistan today? NO!! So, I have to be objective here and you should too. Write about what hasn't been delivered that was promise by the elected government. Show proof, educated people so they don't elect the same. But this is a PEACEFUL process. Its to teach people how to bring about change without turning the entire society into revenge and violent focused. The democracy is all about voting the right people by the People. If you use violence, you'll never come up. IK is being greedy and selfish by running a lie based campaign, with false accusations, threats and violence for no good reason but his own greed to be the PM. The NATION of Pakistan, doesn't need to become hostage to one person's selfish violent agenda. End of the story. People should want peaceful change, through the voting system, and without attacking anyone or anything. Instead of teaching good, IK is teaching violence. A friend of mine told me today that IK's violence based politics are against Islam. I let you use your common sense.
I don't think you got a single thing I said.
Musharraf's rule seemed better, in reality it was only marginally better for a few factors both in his control and some factors that came about due to our involvement in the war on terror. But the problems Pakistan faced during PPP years started under Musharraf. The energy crisis started under him and worsened, the security situation was also his fault. The return of corrupt politicians was his doing.
And in the grand scheme of things, dictators like him derail democracy and help keep the civilian governments weak. Every time a dictator comes and goes, they have to start from scratch, setting up every bit of the civilian apparatus from the bottom up, which is why our governments, or any government following the stepping down of a dictator is inherently in for a challenge that it cannot complete.
All this crap about Mushy's rule being better and army control being preferable is stupid. You're looking at the facts all wrong, yes it seemed better, but upon proper analysis, you will see that he was the biggest reason for the mess that followed him.
There are PLENTY of threads and all where you comment on our foreign policy, politics, religious beliefs and all......so why do I have to be limited to the US only? Welcome to the global village, where we all share many values. I will continue to write about Pakistani people's right to bring change through peaceful, tolerant democratic process, which is through the vote!!!
Anyone instigating violence, changing people's minds towards extremism isn't Pakistan's friend. No change comes with blood spilling, violence and dance parties. Period!
If some one ask about the performance of PTI in KPK< they says, we are just in Government from 18 Months, we need the time???
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I completely understand what you said. The overall performance of Musharraf was much better compared to the second ones. Why didn't PPP eliminated the energy crisis? Why didn't PPP tried to eliminate the entire terrorism? At this point I should give credit to present government for the operation. Why didn't PPP punished all the corrupt politicians? If Musharraf de-railed democracy what the current ones are doing? Don't they know the articles from 1-40 in our constitution which they are openly breaking aren't they de-railing democracy? The fact is that the 2 governments which came after Musharraf was much worst than Musharraf. I admit Musharraf was a dictator but infact in his reign many things were better if you compare it with the next 2 governments. We are here to compare Musharraf reign and the 2 reign after him. If as you say Musharraf destroyed Pakistan did the other 2 governments tried to save Pakistan? The other 2 are destroying Pakistan much badly than Musharraf. In the end of the day we can safely say that whatever mistakes Musharraf did but his reign was overall much better than the 2 which came in power after him and Musharraf did less mistakes than the next two. Loadshedding was very low in his reign PPP did ruled for 5 years in which they were able to fulfill the shortage of electricity but they didn't and same thing is being done by the present government. Musharraf only isn't the reason for war on terror situation the next 2 are equally responsible.
First of all I myself never talk about US issues. Secondly, You are criticizing my leader without having a valid point. The third thing If I criticize your president I will do it with a very strong point but currently you don't have that. You even don't have correct information.
For your information dance is included in the culture of Pakistan. You talk about change? Can't you see the change which IK has completely brought in Pakistan?