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It's all there because Chinese President is expected to visit Pakistan in December. The time frame for drama part II is perhaps to stop this visit again.
 
1) NS or IK or anyone from Pakistan ain't my leader. My leaders sit in the Washington DC and don't ever tell the public to attack state buildings or spread violence. We resolve our issues democratically and peacefully and bring about change through the vote.

2) Whether NS attacked SC or Musharraf or Zia killed hundreds civilians and violated the constitution, you should consult with your supreme court. These things were WAY past this time, some even decades ago.

3) What I am talking about it TODAY and the FUTURE. For the past two years, for the first time in Pakistan's history (sadly, 70 years after), a government completed its turn. Another one came in through votes. And has been working since and have a lot of things going for Pakistan for which, the results starting 2017 will speak for themselves.
Today, in 2014, holding someone accountable for 1990's mess....isn't fair. Similarly, IK's drinking habits, his other child, many girlfriends and gambling habits (all signs of BI POLAR mental disorder), are all in the past. For anyone to judge someone a decade or two after, instead of what they are doing today, is wrong.

4) The government has been at work, they have a strategy. IK knows that these guys will make progress and he may not ever get a chance towards being a PM. He's desperate and greedy and he is damaging the country and an entire nation for his own greed of power. This is or shouldn't be acceptable for a civilized nation. When a leader forces you to attack places instead of peaceful revolution, or bring about change through vote, he's not sincere to his followers. He's not even a leader at that point as he's working under his own greedy agenda, vs. something really beneficial for the country.
Sad part is, people like you and others with some money are supporting this guy due to ethnic or personal political issues. A disease that plagues Pakistan's politics for decades. Its individualism, party-ism vs. nationalism. This is WHY Pakistan couldn't grow.
Now there is a clear opportunity for Pakistan to grow BUT....IK won't want that as this doesn't fit into his own personal greed of power agenda. Hell with the entire nation's future but his imagination and greed should be fulfilled!


First of all if your leaders live in Washington then get out of here and join a US forum and pay the taxes to your leaders so that they can do something good for their peoples and can destroy others. O patwari its about 1997 and this is the direct answer to your comments about IK. It's our country Pakistan and we will talk about past and I suggest you to not talk about IK personal life because me or you we both are not such momin persons so shut his personal life up. What progress has been made in 1.5 years by your leaders in Pakistan? Mention anyone? You are such a stupid person. If I needed money I can join any government department and I will be against IK because he has eliminated much corruption in KPK. You are one of those people who are mentioning his foolish opinions in another country who you don't consider as your country why don't you mention it in Washington? At last, I will again suggest you to get some knowledge about Pakistan and than comment here.
 
For me, this government's performances has only been marginally better than the last, noticeably better but well below par. Goals it set were ambitious and it won't meet them, and so far hasn't.

But I hate this idea of Pakistanis jumping up and down after the new government is barely entering it's second year. Fiscal reform from the time of budget implementation realistically takes about 18 months to have any actual effect on the economy, monetary measures act a bit faster.

I reckon if PTI was in power, voted, in to power, not installed by anarchy. It too would fall miserably short of it's goals. Granted, I expect it would perform better than it's competitors. To what extent that is true, KPK will be observed, asking why PTI has not yet fulfilled it's promises in KPK yet is an equally foolish question.



You couldn't even let them have their fun just once? How cruel of you.



I said that too, back in August I was also crying about how much damage this political instability would cause. I wish somebody would calculate the damage to the economy caused by that 'revolution'.



Nobody denies that Musharraf's time was much better, but you are missing out hundreds of factors contributing to the bad times which might surprise you and why that time seemed better, reasons for that also should surprise you.

Musharraf is the reason we had 5 years of hell following his exile.

For one, he mismanaged the war on terror a whole lot, he is hugely to blame for the situation we are in, in terms of of the security situation. Second, following his coming to power, we went through a few years of poor growth and sanctions which people seem to have forgotten, that was his fault too. The energy crisis which has been out of control since PPP times started way back under Musharraf, I'd say around 2002-2003 when energy demand started catching up with and later started outstripping supply. Musharraf gave clean sheets to all sorts of politicians and criminals, the political situation he created in the last years of his time directly led to the voting in of the governments you so despise. He made very little in the way of actual reform from the grass roots level, on the face of it the economy was growing, but all that was unsustainable growth propped up by things that would set us up to fall twice as hard. And believe me, has Musharraf had stayed another 2 years, in time for the global economic meltdown and in time for the worsening of the security situation, you'd think very differently of his rule too.

I could go on, but I think there's enough there for you to do some research and to think about.



You got no right to say something like that. That's a stupid, stupid comment.

And if you love your PTI government, please go live in KPK, leave Bolton immediately, pack your bags friend.



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First of all brother we are comparing overall performance of Musharraf with others at that point I say Musharraf was much better. As far as electricity is concerned he tried to built Kalabagh Dam but PPP stopped that Plan. Yeah, there would be many problems when he came into power but he slowly resolved them and at the mid his governance became much better. As far as Economy is concerned before 2008 the economy was growing much better as compared to today. Inflation rate was in control and we were not on so much debt. At Musharraf reign the security situation was much good compared to today. Corruption was much in control at that time. LB were held at that time. As far as clean sheets is given did the other 2 government except PTI in KPK tried to stop corruption? Well I don't believe that if he stays for 2 more years than the economy would be the worst I believe it in opposite way.
 
First of all brother we are comparing overall performance of Musharraf with others at that point I say Musharraf was much better. As far as electricity is concerned he tried to built Kalabagh Dam but PPP stopped that Plan. Yeah, there would be many problems when he came into power but he slowly resolved them and at the mid his governance became much better. As far as Economy is concerned before 2008 the economy was growing much better as compared to today. Inflation rate was in control and we were not on so much debt. At Musharraf reign the security situation was much good compared to today. Corruption was much in control at that time. LB were held at that time. As far as clean sheets is given did the other 2 government except PTI in KPK tried to stop corruption? Well I don't believe that if he stays for 2 more years than the economy would be the worst I believe it in opposite way.

I don't think you got a single thing I said.

Musharraf's rule seemed better, in reality it was only marginally better for a few factors both in his control and some factors that came about due to our involvement in the war on terror. But the problems Pakistan faced during PPP years started under Musharraf. The energy crisis started under him and worsened, the security situation was also his fault. The return of corrupt politicians was his doing.

And in the grand scheme of things, dictators like him derail democracy and help keep the civilian governments weak. Every time a dictator comes and goes, they have to start from scratch, setting up every bit of the civilian apparatus from the bottom up, which is why our governments, or any government following the stepping down of a dictator is inherently in for a challenge that it cannot complete.

All this crap about Mushy's rule being better and army control being preferable is stupid. You're looking at the facts all wrong, yes it seemed better, but upon proper analysis, you will see that he was the biggest reason for the mess that followed him.
 
First of all if your leaders live in Washington then get out of here and join a US forum and pay the taxes to your leaders so that they can do something good for their peoples and can destroy others. .

There are PLENTY of threads and all where you comment on our foreign policy, politics, religious beliefs and all......so why do I have to be limited to the US only? Welcome to the global village :), where we all share many values. I will continue to write about Pakistani people's right to bring change through peaceful, tolerant democratic process, which is through the vote!!!
Anyone instigating violence, changing people's minds towards extremism isn't Pakistan's friend. No change comes with blood spilling, violence and dance parties. Period!
 
thanks to Imran Khan and PTI whinning and intentional dharna drama, and waste of media and Pakistani money....what about that crap performance by PTI too?

PMLN is now picking its game, its working true hard, day and night, while PTI workers here can only dream, envy and burn, rather than contribute towards making Pakistan successful, which they promise from their birth.

PTI has FAILED in KPK almost completely, hence all the drama in Islamabad.

how do u gauge performance? because economy is still a central gov issue not of any provincial gov.
 
SAD part is.....by sitting in a comfy chair in the US....I am STILL showing more care for the average Pakistanis than your IK. That's a fact. That guy wants to attack your parliament and other important state symbols again, he wants to spread violence that could turn into a civil war between the few thousands he has and the millions others can bring from their vote bank. But IK doesn't care about Pakistan. I think I am showing more of that here.

Next, time and time again. You blame others for not delivering. Had the military not intervene in the democratic process by coupes, you would've seen the democratic system clean up your political system as the PEOPLE would've elected new faces / parties if the ones promising didn't deliver.
I can go back and highlight decades of mistakes, including IK's issues, past and all......BUT, does that change or impact anything in Pakistan today? NO!! So, I have to be objective here and you should too. Write about what hasn't been delivered that was promise by the elected government. Show proof, educated people so they don't elect the same. But this is a PEACEFUL process. Its to teach people how to bring about change without turning the entire society into revenge and violent focused. The democracy is all about voting the right people by the People. If you use violence, you'll never come up. IK is being greedy and selfish by running a lie based campaign, with false accusations, threats and violence for no good reason but his own greed to be the PM. The NATION of Pakistan, doesn't need to become hostage to one person's selfish violent agenda. End of the story. People should want peaceful change, through the voting system, and without attacking anyone or anything. Instead of teaching good, IK is teaching violence. A friend of mine told me today that IK's violence based politics are against Islam. I let you use your common sense.
SAD part is.....by sitting in a comfy chair in the US....I am STILL showing more care for the average Pakistanis than your IK. That's a fact. That guy wants to attack your parliament and other important state symbols again, he wants to spread violence that could turn into a civil war between the few thousands he has and the millions others can bring from their vote bank. But IK doesn't care about Pakistan. I think I am showing more of that here.

Next, time and time again. You blame others for not delivering. Had the military not intervene in the democratic process by coupes, you would've seen the democratic system clean up your political system as the PEOPLE would've elected new faces / parties if the ones promising didn't deliver.
I can go back and highlight decades of mistakes, including IK's issues, past and all......BUT, does that change or impact anything in Pakistan today? NO!! So, I have to be objective here and you should too. Write about what hasn't been delivered that was promise by the elected government. Show proof, educated people so they don't elect the same. But this is a PEACEFUL process. Its to teach people how to bring about change without turning the entire society into revenge and violent focused. The democracy is all about voting the right people by the People. If you use violence, you'll never come up. IK is being greedy and selfish by running a lie based campaign, with false accusations, threats and violence for no good reason but his own greed to be the PM. The NATION of Pakistan, doesn't need to become hostage to one person's selfish violent agenda. End of the story. People should want peaceful change, through the voting system, and without attacking anyone or anything. Instead of teaching good, IK is teaching violence. A friend of mine told me today that IK's violence based politics are against Islam. I let you use your common sense.

Yeah its easy for you to blame Imran for all the ills that are happening in Pakistan, End of the day its the federal government who is in charge and not PTI, As I have said before I dont trust Noora king who is doing too much damage to Pakistan, poverty is increasing day by day, The reason why Pakistan is not progressing because the system is too damn corrupt, and do you really think status quo parties are going to bring reforms and allow other parties to compete against them, time and time again these status quo parties have been given chances to bring better to Pakistan, they have failed very miserably, The military wouldnt have intervened if these crap status quo parties did their job properly to bring prosperity to Pakistan. I think you should pay a visit to Pakistan to see what life is really all about rather sitting in US, Many people I know want to get out of Pakistan because there is no future.
 
I don't think you got a single thing I said.

Musharraf's rule seemed better, in reality it was only marginally better for a few factors both in his control and some factors that came about due to our involvement in the war on terror. But the problems Pakistan faced during PPP years started under Musharraf. The energy crisis started under him and worsened, the security situation was also his fault. The return of corrupt politicians was his doing.

And in the grand scheme of things, dictators like him derail democracy and help keep the civilian governments weak. Every time a dictator comes and goes, they have to start from scratch, setting up every bit of the civilian apparatus from the bottom up, which is why our governments, or any government following the stepping down of a dictator is inherently in for a challenge that it cannot complete.

All this crap about Mushy's rule being better and army control being preferable is stupid. You're looking at the facts all wrong, yes it seemed better, but upon proper analysis, you will see that he was the biggest reason for the mess that followed him.

I completely understand what you said. The overall performance of Musharraf was much better compared to the second ones. Why didn't PPP eliminated the energy crisis? Why didn't PPP tried to eliminate the entire terrorism? At this point I should give credit to present government for the operation. Why didn't PPP punished all the corrupt politicians? If Musharraf de-railed democracy what the current ones are doing? Don't they know the articles from 1-40 in our constitution which they are openly breaking aren't they de-railing democracy? The fact is that the 2 governments which came after Musharraf was much worst than Musharraf. I admit Musharraf was a dictator but infact in his reign many things were better if you compare it with the next 2 governments. We are here to compare Musharraf reign and the 2 reign after him. If as you say Musharraf destroyed Pakistan did the other 2 governments tried to save Pakistan? The other 2 are destroying Pakistan much badly than Musharraf. In the end of the day we can safely say that whatever mistakes Musharraf did but his reign was overall much better than the 2 which came in power after him and Musharraf did less mistakes than the next two. Loadshedding was very low in his reign PPP did ruled for 5 years in which they were able to fulfill the shortage of electricity but they didn't and same thing is being done by the present government. Musharraf only isn't the reason for war on terror situation the next 2 are equally responsible.
 
There are PLENTY of threads and all where you comment on our foreign policy, politics, religious beliefs and all......so why do I have to be limited to the US only? Welcome to the global village :), where we all share many values. I will continue to write about Pakistani people's right to bring change through peaceful, tolerant democratic process, which is through the vote!!!
Anyone instigating violence, changing people's minds towards extremism isn't Pakistan's friend. No change comes with blood spilling, violence and dance parties. Period!

First of all I myself never talk about US issues. Secondly, You are criticizing my leader without having a valid point. The third thing If I criticize your president I will do it with a very strong point but currently you don't have that. You even don't have correct information. First learn something then criticize. Again, I will suggest you to stay away as you don't know who is spreading violence. Dance Parties really? Dance which if a very famous thing in your country even your president once did it and that was Okay? For your information dance is included in the culture of Pakistan. You talk about change? Can't you see the change which IK has completely brought in Pakistan?
 
If some one ask about the performance of PTI in KPK< they says, we are just in Government from 18 Months, we need the time???


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If you can see a famous thread here named "Naya KPK" you will see lot of change. And it's absolutely right 18 months government can't be compared with 30-35 years government.
 
I completely understand what you said. The overall performance of Musharraf was much better compared to the second ones. Why didn't PPP eliminated the energy crisis? Why didn't PPP tried to eliminate the entire terrorism? At this point I should give credit to present government for the operation. Why didn't PPP punished all the corrupt politicians? If Musharraf de-railed democracy what the current ones are doing? Don't they know the articles from 1-40 in our constitution which they are openly breaking aren't they de-railing democracy? The fact is that the 2 governments which came after Musharraf was much worst than Musharraf. I admit Musharraf was a dictator but infact in his reign many things were better if you compare it with the next 2 governments. We are here to compare Musharraf reign and the 2 reign after him. If as you say Musharraf destroyed Pakistan did the other 2 governments tried to save Pakistan? The other 2 are destroying Pakistan much badly than Musharraf. In the end of the day we can safely say that whatever mistakes Musharraf did but his reign was overall much better than the 2 which came in power after him and Musharraf did less mistakes than the next two. Loadshedding was very low in his reign PPP did ruled for 5 years in which they were able to fulfill the shortage of electricity but they didn't and same thing is being done by the present government. Musharraf only isn't the reason for war on terror situation the next 2 are equally responsible.

You're asking all the wrong questions. You don't get the point of my rants friend. Instead of asking, why the PPP didn't fix things, ask why the things got broken in the first place and ask why the PPP was put in power, and why we expected them to fix it.

And again, you're repeating yourself. Military rule is deceptive. It may seem good but it is always unsustainable. Military rule always has to end, and if it doesn't end, there is usually bloodshed. We Pakistanis have been lucky that hasn't happened yet. Everytime they show up, they create this false state of well being, and when they go, the weak system has to take their place and pick up from where they shattered when they the dictators took power. The poor governance and political musical chairs of the 90's was Zia's fault. And the hell between 2008 and 2013 was Mushy's fault.

You can debate the technicalities of it and for face value, but don't lose track of what it actually means.
 
First of all I myself never talk about US issues. Secondly, You are criticizing my leader without having a valid point. The third thing If I criticize your president I will do it with a very strong point but currently you don't have that. You even don't have correct information.
For your information dance is included in the culture of Pakistan. You talk about change? Can't you see the change which IK has completely brought in Pakistan?

Its kind of stupid fun to argue with a 16 year old (from your posts, I am guessing your age as there is rarely anything mature).But allow me to elaborate on your bold points above:
1) Let's define a "leader".....show me a leader in recent modern history that destroyed a running democratic system after 70 years of Marshal Law. Show me a leader who tells people to attack the Parliament, who threatens almost EVERY SINGLE institute that exists in the country with false rumors and he hasn't produced ONE real fact. But, paranoia is so much that he thinks everyone's after him. That's not leadership kid, that's mental disorder called Bi Polar or Paranoid Schizophrenia. No leader promotes violence. No leader for his OWN greed of power, turns a society into a violent force to overturn a huge majority's elected officials. Anyone who does that, is an anarchist, wants things his way for his own power, doesn't work like a team for the betterment of the country and if you add paranoia to it, is a mental patient.

2) Leaders have positive influence on the society. This guy and his team in every single congregation and public relations statements, openly lies, threatens other, threatens the system and promotes "let's burn down the nation". Is this a leader to you?

3) Allow me to give you a basic definition of a leader based on science and research. These guys from MIT and across the globe spent BILLIONS in researching and they researched and watched every leader since the 1900's:

During the 1900s statistical advances allowed researchers to conduct meta-analyses, in which they could quantitatively analyze and summarize the findings from a wide array of studies done on different leaders in different part of the globe. This advent allowed trait theorists to create a comprehensive picture of previous leadership research rather than rely on the qualitative reviews of the past. Equipped with new methods, leadership researchers revealed the following:
  • Individuals can and do emerge as leaders across a variety of situations and tasks.
  • Significant relationships exist between leadership emergence and such individual traits as:
One of the MAIN traits of a leader are:
Positive reinforcement
B.F. Skinner is the father of behavior modification and developed the concept of positive reinforcement. Positive reinforcement occurs when a positive stimulus is presented in response to a behavior, increasing the likelihood of that behavior in the future. The following is an example of how positive reinforcement can be used in a business setting. Assume praise is a positive reinforcer for a particular employee. This employee does not show up to work on time every day. The manager of this employee decides to praise the employee for showing up on time every day the employee actually shows up to work on time. As a result, the employee comes to work on time more often because the employee likes to be praised. In this example, praise (the stimulus) is a positive reinforcer for this employee because the employee arrives at work on time (the behavior) more frequently after being praised for showing up to work on time.

The use of positive reinforcement is a successful and growing technique used by leaders to motivate and attain desired behaviors from subordinates. Organizations such as Frito-Lay, 3M, Goodrich, Michigan Bell, and Emery Air Freight have all used reinforcement to increase productivity. Empirical research covering the last 20 years suggests that reinforcement theory has a 17 percent increase in performance. Additionally, many reinforcement techniques such as the use of praise are inexpensive, providing higher performance for lower costs.
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Now how much positive ANYTHING you see in IK's behavior and what he's teaching others and in instigating violence and extreme behavior?

The ONLY positive reinforcement that he can do (which he will never do), is to tell people to wait for the next elections and vote smartly and bring in the right people.

However, if he couldn't provide any proof to any wrong doing if that really happens, and he's damaging the entire country, a positive reinforcement would be for the people to get rid of IK's party just like they did to Zardari!
 
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