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I completely agree with you Musharraf reign was much better the exports were growing with a very good rate and the GDP growth was better as well. There wasn't much loadshedding. The Law N Order situation was better. Everything was much better in Musharraf reign. This person "FaujiHistorian" doesn't see that its the 6th time PML N got the power in Punjab still they aren't able to get a 100% literacy rate.

' Your leader'. 'YOU ARE SPREADING VIOLENCE'. 'You are EVIL' 'You are wrong because I say you are wrong'.
Your previous figure of 50 Billion (or was it 500 Billion?) was proven wrong. Now you've moved to a trillion.

Also, consider the fact that most people would not take the word of some dude pretending to be an American interested in Pakistani politics over the internet. Please back your claims with sources that are authentic.


Here we go again. Let's talk about Musharraf:
1) Musharraf is in a place that's not earth nor sky. He's dangling in the middle for years and will be so for the years to come. What good does a service member get when he's called "A Traitor" by many millions who he tried to protect once.......THIS should tell you he did something REALLY wrong!! You are smart enough, use your common sense.

The Exports were growing because of WOT and the US's help.
The imports were cheaper because of the US's provided money in dollars.
The GDP's growth......thank you to the US for providing funding and helping kick off WOT related services business

Law and Order: In Baluchistan, just an example, people were getting kidnapped and killed by the mysterious military people. He was the first guy who used the respectable military as a gangster organization to crush his opponents.

Take ALL the above. Compare to the Punjab government and you know what? They've ruled it MUCH better than anything Musharraf could do. Its a known fact and you or I can't change it!!! Literacy rate is ONE example but I gave you so many more.....is there a comparison?

No one's called IK evil or wrong because he's wrong. His actions, speeches, instigating violence, threats, accusations is ALL wrong in any civil society. FACT. Nothing you can do to change that. If he support democracy, supports peaceful demonstrations and KEEPS them peaceful and shows team work, I will WRITE about the positive stuff he does. He hasn't shown anything positive so may want to tell him to start being positive.
 
Here we go again. Let's talk about Musharraf:
1) Musharraf is in a place that's not earth nor sky. He's dangling in the middle for years and will be so for the years to come. What good does a service member get when he's called "A Traitor" by many millions who he tried to protect once.......THIS should tell you he did something REALLY wrong!! You are smart enough, use your common sense.

The Exports were growing because of WOT and the US's help.
The imports were cheaper because of the US's provided money in dollars.
The GDP's growth......thank you to the US for providing funding and helping kick off WOT related services business

Law and Order: In Baluchistan, just an example, people were getting kidnapped and killed by the mysterious military people. He was the first guy who used the respectable military as a gangster organization to crush his opponents.

Take ALL the above. Compare to the Punjab government and you know what? They've ruled it MUCH better than anything Musharraf could do. Its a known fact and you or I can't change it!!! Literacy rate is ONE example but I gave you so many more.....is there a comparison?

No one's called IK evil or wrong because he's wrong. His actions, speeches, instigating violence, threats, accusations is ALL wrong in any civil society. FACT. Nothing you can do to change that. If he support democracy, supports peaceful demonstrations and KEEPS them peaceful and shows team work, I will WRITE about the positive stuff he does. He hasn't shown anything positive so may want to tell him to start being positive.
I will not comment about your views on Musharraf as that is a new debate entirely. I will, however, respond to this:
No one's called IK evil or wrong because he's wrong. His actions, speeches, instigating violence, threats, accusations is ALL wrong in any civil society. FACT. Nothing you can do to change that. If he support democracy, supports peaceful demonstrations and KEEPS them peaceful and shows team work, I will WRITE about the positive stuff he does. He hasn't shown anything positive so may want to tell him to start being positive.
Sir you are wrong here. Imran Khan has done a lot of positive work. His work in the education sector, Shaukat Khanum Hospital, Namal college and a lot of philanthropy and charity work. You may disagree with his politics but saying that he has never done anything positive is a clear, obvious lie. He supported peaceful talks for fourteen months, after which he started a completely peaceful protest. It did turn violent when the government and police took violent action. Imran Khan, himself, did not instigate violence (aside from unserious political bravado). He told his supporters to remain peaceful. Whether they listened or not is another matter.

But this is not about Imran Khan or PTI. This is about the basic point behind their struggle: electoral reforms. That's it. That's all they wanted. They clearly said they wanted electoral reforms and a fair investigation. If Nawaz Sharif was as decent as you portray him to be, he would have done that long before Imran Khan resorted to protests.
 
Here we go again. Let's talk about Musharraf:
1) Musharraf is in a place that's not earth nor sky. He's dangling in the middle for years and will be so for the years to come. What good does a service member get when he's called "A Traitor" by many millions who he tried to protect once.......THIS should tell you he did something REALLY wrong!! You are smart enough, use your common sense.

The Exports were growing because of WOT and the US's help.
The imports were cheaper because of the US's provided money in dollars.
The GDP's growth......thank you to the US for providing funding and helping kick off WOT related services business

Law and Order: In Baluchistan, just an example, people were getting kidnapped and killed by the mysterious military people. He was the first guy who used the respectable military as a gangster organization to crush his opponents.

Take ALL the above. Compare to the Punjab government and you know what? They've ruled it MUCH better than anything Musharraf could do. Its a known fact and you or I can't change it!!! Literacy rate is ONE example but I gave you so many more.....is there a comparison?

No one's called IK evil or wrong because he's wrong. His actions, speeches, instigating violence, threats, accusations is ALL wrong in any civil society. FACT. Nothing you can do to change that. If he support democracy, supports peaceful demonstrations and KEEPS them peaceful and shows team work, I will WRITE about the positive stuff he does. He hasn't shown anything positive so may want to tell him to start being positive.


:D Completely foolish. The Law N Order situation of Musharraf reign was much better than the current one. What currently is happening in Balochistan? Didn't Punjab Government killed the Qadri supporters and PTI supporters so they killed their opponents by using Police (the same thing) but there is difference between numbers. Still US is helping Noora's than why Exports are not growing? Still lots of money come in Pakistan in dollars by US Aid and overseas Pakistanis as well. So you are saying that Pakistani Government was moving ahead just because of US in Musharraf reign what a foolish opinion. Study the governance of Musharraf and study the "Economy of Pakistan" at that time and now than if you have common sense you will understand everything. Noora's tried to stop the voice of ARY because ARY was telling the facts is this Democracy? You Leaders democracy is much worst than Musharraf dictatorship. As far as governance is concerned there is about $120 Million corruption in Pakistan everyday and if you have the ability to search get some information about Musharraf reign corruption. State owned Organizations were doing Profit in Musharraf reign and now they are all in corruption. Health facilities and Education facilities were much better in Musharraf reign. Overall Musharraf governance was the best compared to PPP and PML N. I live here in Punjab and I can see what exactly is happening in Punjab now and what was happening in Punjab at Musharraf reign. As far as IK is concerned his 1.5 years governance in KPK is much better than PML N, PPP and PML Q in Punjab/Sindh. IK actions, speeches, instigating violence, threats and accusations is wrong? Really? :D What would you say about the current goverment actions? And I remember the speeches of SS and AZ as well which was much worst than IK. Talk on facts not your own opinions.
 
@orangzaib Sir

Dont you think that Pak Army should now stop Imran Khan and Mr Qadri
as their dharnas are damaging the economic and investment climate

Mr Nawaz Sharif has been shown that he is in power because the Army is allowing him to be

But what is the point and purpose of more protests
 
:D Completely foolish. The Law N Order situation of Musharraf reign was much better than the current one. What currently is happening in Balochistan? Didn't Punjab Government killed the Qadri supporters and PTI supporters so they killed their opponents by using Police (the same thing) but there is difference between numbers. Still US is helping Noora's than why Exports are not growing? Still lots of money come in Pakistan in dollars by US Aid and overseas Pakistanis as well. So you are saying that Pakistani Government was moving ahead just because of US in Musharraf reign what a foolish opinion. Study the governance of Musharraf and study the "Economy of Pakistan" at that time and now than if you have common sense you will understand everything. Noora's tried to stop the voice of ARY because ARY was telling the facts is this Democracy? You Leaders democracy is much worst than Musharraf dictatorship. As far as governance is concerned there is about $120 Million corruption in Pakistan everyday and if you have the ability to search get some information about Musharraf reign corruption. State owned Organizations were doing Profit in Musharraf reign and now they are all in corruption. Health facilities and Education facilities were much better in Musharraf reign. Overall Musharraf governance was the best compared to PPP and PML N. I live here in Punjab and I can see what exactly is happening in Punjab now and what was happening in Punjab at Musharraf reign. As far as IK is concerned his 1.5 years governance in KPK is much better than PML N, PPP and PML Q in Punjab/Sindh. IK actions, speeches, instigating violence, threats and accusations is wrong? Really? :D What would you say about the current goverment actions? And I remember the speeches of SS and AZ as well which was much worst than IK. Talk on facts not your own opinions.

Here we go. Propaganda again, you belong to IK's propaganda team's second shift now I assume? Please show me proofs on the following:
1) Exports were growing in Musharraff's time and credible details.
2) Business growth internal to Pakistan
3) Safety situation was better (when Musharraff himself got attacked by the Taliban multiple times)
4) Shed lights on different operations that Musharraff had started that actually kidnapped and killed people. There is a REASON why he is being tried in the court for treason and for the missing people. Even though the military doesn't like it.....as of TODAY, he is STILL being tried in the court. That's a fact.
5) Proofs of every day corruption in Pakistan for 120 Million Dollars BY the elected government. I'd like to see NAMES and AMOUNTS with proofs!!!
6) Proof that Health facilities and educational facilities were MUCH better in Musharraf's time (when the fact is that the current government has exploded the educational system and universities where they can, Punjab and Sindh are an example)
7) Proof that IK's government is better than everyone else (when the entire governing body is too busy in the sit ins for the past two or so months and they haven't made ONE strong project or foreign investment case to anyone, including the world bank, the IMF, etc)
How about you give me proof. NOT articles, not IK said, legal proofs such as court papers, legal documents, world bank, IMF or other investment house reports on your claims about economy and so forth. If you don't have anything to substantiate your claim, quit wasting Oxygen and the Disk space on this forum. You don't have to respond to my post as I don't want to debate with people who have no sense of reality and everything is just done verbally. Lying and running your mouth just shows accusations out of thin air. Nothing solid. Show me proofs!
 
@orangzaib Sir

Dont you think that Pak Army should now stop Imran Khan and Mr Qadri
as their dharnas are damaging the economic and investment climate

Mr Nawaz Sharif has been shown that he is in power because the Army is allowing him to be

But what is the point and purpose of more protests


There is no point in violent protests. That's not how you form a democratic and educated society. He's telling others to attack the parliament and all, which is by passing the entire law enforcement system and taking law in your own hands. That's not allowed anywhere in the world.
If this creep was to do this in the US or UK, he'd be sitting in GITMO for life. This is open terrorism to sabotage an entire nations progress and threatening the daily way of life. Educated and real leaders show change through vote and PEACEFUL protests. Like it happens in India, where the political setup is very similar to Pakistan. But she progressed BECAUSE majority of the leaders, irrespective of their corruption, are democratic and the entire nation supports change through vote. Imagine 200,000 people in India trying to take down a government that represents 1+ Billion people. Would that be allowed? Why should that be allowed in Pakistan?
The Army is now neutral, they don't want to muddy their name for anyone. IK's hopes and dreams are what a mental patient does during the cycle of his mental impairment. Nothing is real and his imaginations were so out of touch with the reality that he's paying for it now.
NS is actually not shows that the Army is keeping him in the power. For the first time in the history of Pakistan, the entire parliament endorsed the civilian government (the parliament IK attacked with his mob of few thousand). The military knows if they get in the middle of it, they'll have 100 times more people on the street as all these political parties will bring their force to the street. And that force is about 100 times stronger than IK. Something he doesn't realize out of his mental delusions and greed of power. The guy needs medical help ASAP. Read below for more details


Hypomania and Mania Symptoms in Bipolar Disorder

Bipolar Disorder Symptoms and Types - WebMD

What is Paranoid Schizophrenia? Symptoms, Causes, Treatments - HealthyPlace
 
I think Orangzaib saab needs a check up, If you love your Noora king so much why dont you go and live in Pakistan, rather sat in your comfy chair and sitting in US?

Noora poora king cannot be trusted, they have promised time and time and again, they have failed to deliver the basic necessaties of life, clean drinking water, medication, Electricity and law and order which is not good.
 
Here we go. Propaganda again, you belong to IK's propaganda team's second shift now I assume? Please show me proofs on the following:
1) Exports were growing in Musharraff's time and credible details.
2) Business growth internal to Pakistan
3) Safety situation was better (when Musharraff himself got attacked by the Taliban multiple times)
4) Shed lights on different operations that Musharraff had started that actually kidnapped and killed people. There is a REASON why he is being tried in the court for treason and for the missing people. Even though the military doesn't like it.....as of TODAY, he is STILL being tried in the court. That's a fact.
5) Proofs of every day corruption in Pakistan for 120 Million Dollars BY the elected government. I'd like to see NAMES and AMOUNTS with proofs!!!
6) Proof that Health facilities and educational facilities were MUCH better in Musharraf's time (when the fact is that the current government has exploded the educational system and universities where they can, Punjab and Sindh are an example)
7) Proof that IK's government is better than everyone else (when the entire governing body is too busy in the sit ins for the past two or so months and they haven't made ONE strong project or foreign investment case to anyone, including the world bank, the IMF, etc)
How about you give me proof. NOT articles, not IK said, legal proofs such as court papers, legal documents, world bank, IMF or other investment house reports on your claims about economy and so forth. If you don't have anything to substantiate your claim, quit wasting Oxygen and the Disk space on this forum. You don't have to respond to my post as I don't want to debate with people who have no sense of reality and everything is just done verbally. Lying and running your mouth just shows accusations out of thin air. Nothing solid. Show me proofs!


Read a few articles on Pakistan Economy till 2008 you will get lots of information that how Exports and Pakistan's Economy was growing. After 2008 how many leaders and how many Pakistanis have been killed in Target Killing, Bombs Blasting etc? What tried? He isn't being trial in the court in any sense that he will be punished. Do you even know that Musharraf is approximately out of these cases. Do you know that these trials still isn't able to do anything he is in his farm house and enjoying his life I can't see anything happened to him and if he was wrong why isn't he punished yet? Proof for corruption if you know anything related to NAB the chief of NAB which is appointed by your leader issued the statement in which it was clearly mentioned that there is corruption of $120 million in Pakistan everyday. Oh really? I live in Punjab and I clearly see that literacy rate and Education facilities are going down day by day in Pakistan and the health facilities are the worst till now. The literacy rate in Musharraf reign in Punjab was 64% while now it's 48% percent. Do you know anything related to Thar. Till now lots of childrens have died because of shortage of food and this is happening from years what have your leaders done there? Lots of people die in government hospitals and the current health facilities are the worst in the history of Pakistan. For your information mega projects are being done in Pakistan and the people of KPK and external based companies are investing in them PTI isn't begging money from the world. You are such a stupid person who don't have any information, even living in abroad and fighting with me? Whenever you come to Pakistan visit your leaders hometown lahore and see the schools, hospitals there and tell me are they the best in the world? I don't need to prove IK is the best his 100 days of dharna and back to back hit jalsas is proving that.
 
There is no point in violent protests. That's not how you form a democratic and educated society. He's telling others to attack the parliament and all, which is by passing the entire law enforcement system and taking law in your own hands. That's not allowed anywhere in the world.
If this creep was to do this in the US or UK, he'd be sitting in GITMO for life. This is open terrorism to sabotage an entire nations progress and threatening the daily way of life. Educated and real leaders show change through vote and PEACEFUL protests. Like it happens in India, where the political setup is very similar to Pakistan. But she progressed BECAUSE majority of the leaders, irrespective of their corruption, are democratic and the entire nation supports change through vote. Imagine 200,000 people in India trying to take down a government that represents 1+ Billion people. Would that be allowed? Why should that be allowed in Pakistan?
The Army is now neutral, they don't want to muddy their name for anyone. IK's hopes and dreams are what a mental patient does during the cycle of his mental impairment. Nothing is real and his imaginations were so out of touch with the reality that he's paying for it now.
NS is actually not shows that the Army is keeping him in the power. For the first time in the history of Pakistan, the entire parliament endorsed the civilian government (the parliament IK attacked with his mob of few thousand). The military knows if they get in the middle of it, they'll have 100 times more people on the street as all these political parties will bring their force to the street. And that force is about 100 times stronger than IK. Something he doesn't realize out of his mental delusions and greed of power. The guy needs medical help ASAP. Read below for more details


Hypomania and Mania Symptoms in Bipolar Disorder

Bipolar Disorder Symptoms and Types - WebMD

What is Paranoid Schizophrenia? Symptoms, Causes, Treatments - HealthyPlace



Your leader NS attacked Supreme Court in 1997 if you know anything.Why don't you mention that? Your leader NS started a long march but that was democratic and IK march is undemocratic. I suggest you to have your check-up.
 
Your leader NS attacked Supreme Court in 1997 if you know anything.Why don't you mention that? Your leader NS started a long march but that was democratic and IK march is undemocratic. I suggest you to have your check-up.

1) NS or IK or anyone from Pakistan ain't my leader. My leaders sit in the Washington DC and don't ever tell the public to attack state buildings or spread violence. We resolve our issues democratically and peacefully and bring about change through the vote.

2) Whether NS attacked SC or Musharraf or Zia killed hundreds civilians and violated the constitution, you should consult with your supreme court. These things were WAY past this time, some even decades ago.

3) What I am talking about it TODAY and the FUTURE. For the past two years, for the first time in Pakistan's history (sadly, 70 years after), a government completed its turn. Another one came in through votes. And has been working since and have a lot of things going for Pakistan for which, the results starting 2017 will speak for themselves.
Today, in 2014, holding someone accountable for 1990's mess....isn't fair. Similarly, IK's drinking habits, his other child, many girlfriends and gambling habits (all signs of BI POLAR mental disorder), are all in the past. For anyone to judge someone a decade or two after, instead of what they are doing today, is wrong.

4) The government has been at work, they have a strategy. IK knows that these guys will make progress and he may not ever get a chance towards being a PM. He's desperate and greedy and he is damaging the country and an entire nation for his own greed of power. This is or shouldn't be acceptable for a civilized nation. When a leader forces you to attack places instead of peaceful revolution, or bring about change through vote, he's not sincere to his followers. He's not even a leader at that point as he's working under his own greedy agenda, vs. something really beneficial for the country.
Sad part is, people like you and others with some money are supporting this guy due to ethnic or personal political issues. A disease that plagues Pakistan's politics for decades. Its individualism, party-ism vs. nationalism. This is WHY Pakistan couldn't grow.
Now there is a clear opportunity for Pakistan to grow BUT....IK won't want that as this doesn't fit into his own personal greed of power agenda. Hell with the entire nation's future but his imagination and greed should be fulfilled!
 
That abysmal economic performance will also happen if you bring in another government through an illegal change of power too, whether dharna powered or fauji powered.
Hahaha. Current PMLN government also came into being through sponsoring of Gen(r) Kiyani and retired CJ. So will be the next. "Election" of 2013 was a selection. Let's see what happens in next elections.
 
Hahaha. Current PMLN government also came into being through sponsoring of Gen(r) Kiyani and retired CJ. So will be the next. "Election" of 2013 was a selection. Let's see what happens in next elections.
Musharraf;s home boy Kiyani helped NS come into power.

Now i have heard everything haha.
 
On topic, Pakistan is the only country where people expect miracles to occur in 12 months. I'm sure we'll have many chances to evaluate NS' performance 3 years from today when the next election is coming up.
 
Musharraf;s home boy Kiyani helped NS come into power.

Now i have heard everything haha.
Kiyani was no longer Musharaf's home boy after 2008. He was the guarantor of NRO-1. Musharaf wanted to remove him and also wanted to invoke 58(2)B when he sensed that he can't even remain a President after some months of 2008 elections.

In PPP's tenure, he had excellent terms with PMLN(Secret meetings with Shahbaz Shari and Ch. Nisar). Played a role in CJ's restoration to cut down PPP'size and not let them rule Punjab after governor's rule.
 
Kiyani was no longer Musharaf's home boy after 2008. He was the guarantor of NRO-1. Musharaf wanted to remove him and also wanted to invoke 58(2)B when he sensed that he can't even remain a President after some months of 2008 elections.
So let me get this right, are you stating that Kiyani was involved in the alleged rigging of the 2013 elections? The list keeps getting longer and longer it seems.
 

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