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[Down memory Lane] Afghanistan's first spaceman returns home

Or course!!! that's what should happen -- Or say Pakistani PIA mechanics get picked up by other industries and get sent to school -- America is the land of opportunity.

I attend other events, purely social (I won't like the names) -- still do -- where intellectuals of hard sciences gather. You will find the elites: Israelis, Chinese, Indians, Koreans, then you will find the making an attempts: Pakistanis, Turks, etc. -- but I have never run into an Afghan.



Actually no -- not at all -- you should hear what people say off the record

On your sucks -- calculus is calculus, linear algebra is linear algebra, analysis is analysis, harmonics are harmonics, fluid dynamics are fluid dynamics -- actually in the US, ex Soviet engineers are highly prized -- their fundamental ground is amazing -- for example there is a minority of Indians who study in the USSR (at least in my time) and then came to the US to top schools. Now these guys didn't attend run of the mill degree mills in the USSR
 
It is interesting. Americans are now in Afganistan. Do they develop national Afganistan space program?

Whether they do or not that is their business, but we will when the time is right.
Nobody has monopoly over science and technology! Seekers are finders.
 
Speaking of investments, you are talking to one :) If I am able to keep up with you ( not entirely yet :) but was easily outwitting my compartirate from the neighbouring countries in the school. You can bet on this that my children will definitely be able to do the same to their peers in the years to come. All we need is the breathing space which is provided by this regime.

/Peace

My brother, at the risk of sounding immodest -- your comment: "Speaking of investments, you are talking to one :) If I am able to keep up with you" -- saddened me.

You think you can keep up with me in anything in a level playing field :/ -- I think I'm going to consider sapuko -- you're bright -- maybe even brighter than me -- but I have had a privileged preparation for decades. You can't even comprehend what that preparation is.

Speaking of investments, you are talking to one :) If I am able to keep up with you ( not entirely yet :) but was easily outwitting my compartirate from the neighbouring countries in the school. You can bet on this that my children will definitely be able to do the same to their peers in the years to come. All we need is the breathing space which is provided by this regime.

/Peace

If you want your children to compete with mine -- you have to at the very least know how far you have to go -- your children maybe smarter than mine -- I was smart and sometimes smarter than my Indian or Israeli colleagues -- but I learned very late in life the distance I had to go.

--- Not to hurt your feelings --
But I was thinking yesterday that you are an example of opportunity lost -- a bad investment. And it is not your fault or my fault -- it is that Afghan culture is out of touch with modern reality (not that Pakistani culture is much better)
 
Whether they do or not that is their business, but we will when the time is right.
Nobody has monopoly over science and technology! Seekers are finders.
I mean - do they plan to send Afganistan's cosmonauts into space? Do they train your fighter-pilots or scientists for space flights? They are allies of nowadays Afganistan authorities.
 
My brother, at the risk of sounding immodest -- your comment: Speaking of investments, you are talking to one :) If I am able to keep up with you -- saddened me.

You think you can keep up with me in anything in a level playing field :/ -- I think I'm going to consider sapuko -- you're bright -- maybe even brighter than me -- but I have had a privileged preparation for decades. You can't even comprehend what that preparation is.



If you want your children to compete with mine -- you have to at the very least know how far you have to go -- your children maybe smarter than me -- I was smart and sometimes smarter than my Indian or Israeli colleagues -- but I learned very late in life the distance I had to go.

I said I can keep up and this is not completely one sided discussion, and I do this part time :)

Now imagine a decade or two of calm in the country, the outcome would be that a typical Afghan kid would be as competitive as any Pak, Iranian or Indian.
 
I said I can keep up and this is not completely one sided discussion, and I do this part time :)

Now imagine a decade or two of calm in the country, the outcome would be that a typical Afghan kid would be as competitive as any Pak, Iranian or Indian.

I don't know about Afghan -- but if I were to make a prediction I would say the gap between Pakistani kids and Iranian or Pakistani kids and Indian kids is going to widen.

Now perhaps you can extrapolate that to Afghan kids.
 
I mean - do they plan to send Afganistan's cosmonauts into space? Do they train your fighter-pilots or scientists for space flights? They are allies of nowadays Afganistan authorities.

The first priority is the beat the Talis and bring our house in order. Once that is done then we will start thinking of the Space. It is all about priorities.

The Afghan pilots are running night operations using helis and other fighter aircrafts, implicitly showing that the capability is being strengthened as speak.
How many in the region can run concurrent 34 day and night operations? Very limited !
 
I said I can keep up and this is not completely one sided discussion, and I do this part time :)

Now imagine a decade or two of calm in the country, the outcome would be that a typical Afghan kid would be as competitive as any Pak, Iranian or Indian.

I highly doubt that . Your kid's like all Afghans will come on TV and claim that Afghan land is till Attock :D

The first priority is the beat the Talis and bring our house in order. Once that is done then we will start thinking of the Space. It is all about priorities.
The Afghan pilots are running night operations using helis and other fighter aircrafts, implicitly showing that the capability is being strengthened as speak.
How many in the region can run concurrent 34 day and night operations? Very limited !

Afghan Pilots are still very immature. They have killed their own people a lot of times by sheer stupidity.

BTW -- I've also been amazed by Somali Americans -- we don't have Somali Americans in academia just yet but they outnumber Afghans in top schools -- and are damn impressive.

And Somalia is even worse than Afghanistan when it comes to law and order. It's all about Preferences
 
I highly doubt that . Your kid's like all Afghans will come on TV and claim that Afghan land is till Attock :D



Afghan Pilots are still very immature. They have killed their own people a lot of times by sheer stupidity.



And Somalia is even worse than Afghanistan when it comes to law and order. It's all about Preferences

Yeah I agree -- but I am so impressed by their engineering and science schools -- like how do they manage than in such strife. Recently I've also been running into a qualified Sudanese -- I mean how does a country function when it is cut out from the world?
 
Syria and Yemen were not at war, until recently! We are talking of a generational change. I am one of those and I am as competitive as any of you. The point of I am taking is that we are taking of a generational change that is happening and these indicators will reflect that in due time.

/Peace

Unfortunately, hard facts reject that notion. Ghani has been a complete failure. It's only you I have seen taking pride in American boots inside Afghanistan. It's rare for an Afghan to get a US visa , they don't even let you inside their country.

The Billions you keep on talking about are not going to be spent on normal poor Afghan. $100 Billion came before too what good did that bring?
 
Unfortunately, hard facts reject that notion. Ghani has been a complete failure. It's only you I have seen taking pride in American boots inside Afghanistan. It's rare for an Afghan to get a US visa , they don't even let you inside their country.

The Billions you keep on talking about are not going to be spent on normal poor Afghan. $100 Billion came before too what good did that bring?

@A-Team he does have a point.

Many Pakistani Americans including myself lobbied to get the Afghan Robotics team admitted to the US -- and all they got was a parole (which is not a visa)

How do you explain that?
 
@A-Team he does have a point.

Many Pakistani Americans including myself lobbied to get the Afghan Robotics team admitted to the US -- and all they got was a parole (which is not a visa)

How do you explain that?

Even the Afghan interpreters who helped US troops in Afghanistan are denied visa's despite grave threats from Taliban . If you are an Afghan it is highly unlikely that you will be given a US visa for tourism/Business/Education. I don't get A-Teams obsession with America when they are clearly treating them like how they treated Black African Americans back in the day

Meanwhile, Pakistan is in top 20 nations getting the most B1/B2 visas annually

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_visa

My Fiance Happens to be working in a hospital in Alabama and according to her majority of the doctors are either Indian or Pakistani . So much for Pakistan getting into trouble with Trump :D
 
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Even the Afghan interpreters who helped US troops in Afghanistan are denied visa's despite grave threats from Taliban . If you are an Afghan it is highly unlikely that you will be given a US visa for tourism/Business/Education. I don't get A-Teams obsession with America when they are clearly treating them like how they treated Black African Americans back in the day

Meanwhile, Pakistan is in top 20 nations getting the most B1/B2 visas annually

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_visa

My Fiance Happens to be working in a hospital in Alabama and according to her majority of the doctors are either Indian or Pakistani . So much for Pakistan getting into trouble with Trump :D

Well true Pakistanis supply a lot of Doctors to the US -- 14th biggest supplier which for a poor third world country is no small feat
 
Nothing out of the ordinary, side of effects of the state collapses in the 90s. There are Syrian Phd holder roaming around Europe delivering pizzas. Russian nuclear scientists doing administrative works.
He is an accountant because he is good with numbers :) The point I making is that the masses of Afghans who were into core engineering subjects were sent to former USSR and by contrast those that you see in the West Coast are minute sample of the Afghan diaspora.
I am not belittling the ask at hand, I am just stating these things take time and breathing space, the combination of current Trump Policy and the Leadership of Ashraf Ghani is the right combination to bring about that change.

/Peace
reveals something rt? there is no pointing in mastering rocket science or nuclear engineering if ppl cannot live with each other in peace. ppl should master basic human social science which is the foundation for a progressive society. even though some poor countries especially in sub continent can boast about scientific achievements their ability to govern themselves in a peaceful have been absolutely dismal. Iceland or ireland dont have nuclear reactors or rockets but they certainly have a peaceful society. I would say we need more ppl understand social sciences ,art ,history..etc rather than technical science which can be achieved or borrowed from others.

Now imagine a decade or two of calm in the country, the outcome would be that a typical Afghan kid would be as competitive as any Pak, Iranian or Indian.
:tup:, agreed.
 
reveals something rt? there is no pointing in mastering rocket science or nuclear engineering if ppl cannot live with each other in peace. ppl should master basic human social science which is the foundation for a progressive society. even though some poor countries especially in sub continent can boast about scientific achievements their ability to govern themselves in a peaceful have been absolutely dismal. Iceland or ireland dont have nuclear reactors or rockets but they certainly have a peaceful society. I would say we need more ppl understand social sciences ,art ,history..etc rather than technical science which can be achieved or borrowed from others.


:tup:, agreed.

You know that is the same argument I've seen people who study nuclear science and rocket science make about Muslims -- we should give muslims art -- we'll do the science thank you. What do you need science for? we'll do it for you.

Now on a more important note -- people study science as they study anything else. Did you think when Pythagoras, Gauss, Euler, Ramujanan did their math, they were looking for a reason.

Further still, not my area of expertise, but I suspect: sciences produce natural wealth -- wealth produces societies that are at ease with themselves -- hard to climb Maslow's pyramid if your stomach is empty.

Thank you very much I'll get back to the study of science now.
 

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