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Double standards against Pakistan by the US

Excessive & indiscriminate use of anything leads to side effects some of which can be controlled & some cannot.

The logic I often read about the Mujahedeen being an offspring of the US mind and that Pak " tagged' along and therefore the US and not Pak is to blame for the unfortunate predicament Pak has been for some time baffles an educated maind.

Steroids have medical value but if used indiscriminately they leave permanent effects - this is exactly what is happening in Pak today. Just because a particulartype & dose of steroid worked in the 80's against the Soviets it was assumed that they were the magic wand and panacea to all Pak ills. with little or no concern to the fact that the proverbial " Ghara' must fill some day. That " some day ' is now upon us.

This happened because there was no public debate or disclosure of national policy and the ISI and thosewith vested interests made money on the side

The acid has begun to eat into the container, it needs to be purged and its maufacture stopped .

" Tagged along " ? .....Is Pak a child that it tagged along without realising the consequences of what it was doing ?

We need to get real.

There are no free lunches in this world and you are delivered exactly what you order.
 
I could not find a single word which said "suicide bombers trained in TN" as was alleged by crystal gazer in the opening post.

They provided Tamil terrorists with training in bomb making, which you clearly seemed to miss out in the article. The fact that you deny that India trained, funded & armed Tamil terrorists against the government of Sri Lanka is very shameful.

Perhaps some one forgot another airdrop over Jaffna University

It was the commencement of Operation Pawan of IPKF which destroyed the LTTE hideouts in the Northern Sri Lanka and it was carried out as per Rajiv-Jeyawardene accords.

Half truths/Selective reading is more dangerous than even false claims.

India only went against the LTTE when after it refused to disarm and accept the 1987 India-Sri Lanka Peace Accord signed by the Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi and Sri Lankan President J.R. Jeyawardene in July 1987. Besides training, arming, funding the LTTE, India also trained other Tamil terrorist groups such as the EPRLF, EROS, PLOTE and TELO. So the only one that is speaking half truths is you.
 
Excessive & indiscriminate use of anything leads to side effects some of which can be controlled & some cannot.

The logic I often read about the Mujahedeen being an offspring of the US mind and that Pak " tagged' along and therefore the US and not Pak is to blame for the unfortunate predicament Pak has been for some time baffles an educated maind.

Steroids have medical value but if used indiscriminately they leave permanent effects - this is exactly what is happening in Pak today. Just because a particulartype & dose of steroid worked in the 80's against the Soviets it was assumed that they were the magic wand and panacea to all Pak ills. with little or no concern to the fact that the proverbial " Ghara' must fill some day. That " some day ' is now upon us.

This happened because there was no public debate or disclosure of national policy and the ISI and thosewith vested interests made money on the side

The acid has begun to eat into the container, it needs to be purged and its maufacture stopped .

" Tagged along " ? .....Is Pak a child that it tagged along without realising the consequences of what it was doing ?

We need to get real.

There are no free lunches in this world and you are delivered exactly what you order.

Sir everything started with the success of the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan and the ISI/PA wanting to replicate the same sucess in Kashmir. If the mighty USSR could be tamed, why not a (then) socialist,weak,poor,politically disorganized India was their line of thinking. This would also re-direct the jehadi ire away from Pakistan and provide employment to those teeming thousands in accordance with Benazir's policy of "death by thousand cuts" against Hindu India oppressing Muslim Kashmir.

One thing ISI/PA did wrong was in under-estimating the Indian resolve in Kashmir. They went deeper and deeper into the jihadi cesspool to weaken the Indian resolve and the rest as they say is history.
 
They provided Tamil terrorists with training in bomb making, which you clearly seemed to miss out in the article. The fact that you deny that India trained, funded & armed Tamil terrorists against the government of Sri Lanka is very shameful.

Bomb making =/= Suicide bombing. You don't even know this basic thing and you are discussing strategic issues here.They got the SB technique from Middle East rebels. :hitwall:

Even IEDs are classified as bomb making. Get your facts right and as I said stop slandering without proof.

India only went against the LTTE when after it refused to disarm and accept the 1987 India-Sri Lanka Peace Accord signed by the Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi and Sri Lankan President J.R. Jeyawardene in July 1987. Besides training, arming, funding the LTTE, India also trained other Tamil terrorist groups such as the EPRLF, EROS, PLOTE and TELO. So the only one that is speaking half truths is you.

The point is we went after them after they refused the Peace accords. What is wrong in that ? And mate you seem very confused all the alphabet soup groups were destroyed by LTTE itself in the mid 80s :lol:

You don't know anything about that war which I as a native very well know. So stop these slander and concentrate on Afg-Pak, not on something you are not even remotely familiar with.. You are going horribly off topic defending your lies. If you continue this I will report the post as trolls without sufficient proof.
 
Bilal, you seem FOCUS heavily on WOT via Afghanistan/Pakistan everyday, you almost discussed alot.

It seems to me, your post is double-sided, one you said is to continue with US relations, other post is accused by US against Pakistan, and other post you said is Pakistan can do better without US.

https://www.defence.pk/forums/strat...oked-pakistan-ex-cia-veteran.html#post1948480

Another important decision taken at the meetings was to avoid using the media for “putting pressure on Pakistan before sensitive talks”, said a source while pointing out that a series of official leaks to the US media preceded Gen Pasha’s visit to Washington.

STRAIGHT TALK !!
 
Bomb making =/= Suicide bombing. You don't even know this basic thing and you are discussing strategic issues here.They got the SB technique from Middle East rebels. :hitwall:

Dhanu (aka Thenmozhi Rajaratnam), who wore a suicide belt when she blew himself up & killed Rajiv Gandhi, was trained by the LTTE in India.

The LTTE and suicide terrorism

 
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They provided Tamil terrorists with training in bomb making, which you clearly seemed to miss out in the article. The fact that you deny that India trained, funded & armed Tamil terrorists against the government of Sri Lanka is very shameful.



India only went against the LTTE when after it refused to disarm and accept the 1987 India-Sri Lanka Peace Accord signed by the Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi and Sri Lankan President J.R. Jeyawardene in July 1987. Besides training, arming, funding the LTTE, India also trained other Tamil terrorist groups such as the EPRLF, EROS, PLOTE and TELO. So the only one that is speaking half truths is you.

What are you trying to do prove?

Are you saying that since India did it then Pakistan can not be blamed? Since US also did it then Paksitan can not be blamed? Is it what you are trying to do?

Like I said in my earlier post, that India and US are capable of taking care of themselves they have taken care of themselves but you guys are badly trapped. It doesnt look like you are taking care of yourself. Your economy has gone on toss, no sport events, everyone considers it as a dangerous place to visit and what not.

Is this blame game helps you in any way? Do you think that by blaming others, all your problems would be solved? Everyone knows that who did what, and no one really cares. Instead of playing this blame game just move on and try to make your country a better place and make sure you dont do it again.
 
What are you trying to do prove?

Are you saying that since India did it then Pakistan can not be blamed? Since US also did it then Paksitan can not be blamed? Is it what you are trying to do?

Like I said in my earlier post, that India and US are capable of taking care of themselves they have taken care of themselves but you guys are badly trapped. It doesnt look like you are taking care of yourself. Your economy has gone on toss, no sport events, everyone considers it as a dangerous place to visit and what not.

Is this blame game helps you in any way? Do you think that by blaming others, all your problems would be solved? Everyone knows that who did what, and no one really cares. Instead of playing this blame game just move on and try to make your country a better place and make sure you dont do it again.

The question isn't about how Pakistan, India, US policies in the region, but about the hypocrisy (harboring terrorism) & double dealing Pakistan is solely accused of. It isn't the question about wrong or right, but the prejudices & the double standards in the situation. Hope you understand the point of the thread now. The only blame game is on Pakistan from the international media.
 
The question isn't about how Pakistan, India, US policies in the region, but about the hypocrisy (harboring terrorism) & double dealing Pakistan is solely accused of. It isn't the question about wrong or right, but the prejudices & the double standards in the situation. Hope you understand the point of the thread now. The only blame game is on Pakistan from the international media.


What exactly is going to happen when you keep on saying that the US is responsible for everything? Nothing.

The thing is, many countries are involved in some or the other bad activities, but then those countries know how to get out of it. You talk about US or India, they have been successful in at least defending them. You have not been succesfull in that. My point is, you have made a bad choice, you should have thought this first whether you would be able to survive these activities. US is a smart player Bilal, and also very strong. These bunch of stone age fighters can not do anything to them, but now you have to choose between right and wrong.

You have to make sure that there are no training camps (if any) on your soil and eliminate them as soon as possible. Do not use these guys in Kashmir because at the end of the day, nothing would happen to India but you would pay the price of it.
 
Dhanu (aka Thenmozhi Rajaratnam), who wore a suicide belt when she blew himself up & killed Rajiv Gandhi, was trained by the LTTE in India.

The LTTE and suicide terrorism


Youtube and an article written by a Sinhala ? Seriously ? Asking the murderer whether he committed the murder ? And even in those links nowhere it says "Suicide bomb training in TN".

So reporting your post for continuing misinformation and lies.
 
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I really wonder if Pakistan is sovereign country or protectorate of U.S. How the **** they can fly planes around and kill everybody that seems suspicious?
 
very true, but then they have answer to this.... "Awam emotional hain" (Nation is emotional) and that consequently makes them rational... :lol:
1.Very true. "Awam ka jazba" is a good thing. Many nations do not have this, and leaders find it difficult to arouse them. The leadership in Pak has unfortunately been lacking in utilizing this positively. It is them who must use this "jazba" for national enterprise. It is the same nation which achieved Pakistan with their "jazba", and that was possible because you had leaders like Jinnah, Sardar Nishtar, Raja Gazanfar Ali, etc (I am excluding the many from the E). Most important of all, it is a nation of Muslims who have a history full of sacrifices leading to victories and achievements.

2. It is useful to remember, the down fall of Muslims began when they forgot The Message of Islam.
 
Youtube and an article written by a Sinhala ? Seriously ? Asking the murderer whether he committed the murder ? And even in those links nowhere it says "Suicide bomb training in TN".

So reporting your post for continuing misinformation and lies.

Watch the video, it mentions it. See it from 1:18 onwards in in the video, I didn't spread any misinformation & lies.


Dhanu (aka Thenmozhi Rajaratnam) was trained in the batch of terrorist training camps in Tamil Nadu. LTTE suicide bomber Thenmozhi Rajaratnam killed Rajiv Gandhi in Sriperumbudur, Tamil Nadu. It's an international terrorism expert Dr Rohan Gunaratne (in the video) that is only quoting factual history.
 
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^^Must be the "strangest" training ever since Indian PKF had to fight the same guys and RG lost his life because of that? Happens a lot in Pakistan?
 
On 10 June 2011
Leon Panetta Pakistan Trip Is First Since Bin Laden Raid


What he discussed after coming here
He shared the suspected location of explosive material held by the al-Qaida-linked Haqqani network at two compounds in the Pakistani tribal areas
aka TOPIAnd not a single word about Zawahiri

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/10/leon-panetta-pakistan-trip_n_875004.html

Than after one month...
Pakistan is getting to know from not him but American news papers that

On July 11, 2011
Zawahiri living in Pakistan – go and kill him


He stated in Kabul: ‘Dr Ayman-al-Zawahiri was hiding in Pakistan’s tribal region’. Panetta, who arrived in Afghanistan on Saturday on a surprise-maiden visit, was of the view that pressure will be mounted on Pakistan to kill Zawahiri
.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/International/11-Jul-2011/Zawahiri-living-in-Pakistan--go-and-kill-him

And than they say what are double standards.Well here is an example...
 

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