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Do you support the presence of Europeans in the court hearing of Binayak Sen ?

Is the presence of European observers in the court hearing of Sen justified ?

  • No - It amounts to others meddling in our internal affairs

    Votes: 8 57.1%
  • Yes - It is justified

    Votes: 5 35.7%
  • Who cares ??!!

    Votes: 1 7.1%

  • Total voters
    14
It is not that we have something to hide, so we dont allow.

It is something concerning the respect of a country and I am sorry to say we are not acting like self-respecting country allowing a bunch of goras to 'observe' something that is clearly our internal matter.

Egypt, a country the fraction of a size of India in size,population,economy,military showed the finger to the Vatican not to interfere in its internal affairs when the Vatican issued some statements regarding the bomb blast of Christians.

That is how a country should act. Not like this.

the two situations are not comparable. These people just want to observe, so let them observe. If they do something to subvert India's judicial system, we can ask them to buzz off :)

BTW I think the Indian media interferes a lot more in the judicial process than these ppl
 
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may be after seeing fair trial they will shut up. but i agree it might set a bad precedence.

The question is what happens if they are not 'satisfied' ?

And what if tomorrow some international observers request access to some other court case ? will it be granted then also. ?

the two situations are not comparable. These people just want to observe, so let them observe. If they do something to subvert India's judicial system, we can ask them to buzz off :)

Why give them the chance in the first place ?

BTW I think the Indian media interferes a lot more in the judicial process than these ppl

They are called 'Indian' media for a reason.
 
The question is what happens if they are not 'satisfied' ?

And what if tomorrow some international observers request access to some other court case ? will it be granted then also. ?

totally agree with u bro.

on a persnal level may i add, the life sentence was bit too much.
 
India is a free country, and as far as I can tell, the court hasn't barred anyone from the hearing.

If the human rights people want to sit in court, let them. We don't have anything to hide.

P.S.: I can telll fromm personal experience that these hearings can be quite boring. ;)

You are correct on all three count, based on facts and my personal experiences.
 
The question is what happens if they are not 'satisfied' ?

And what if tomorrow some international observers request access to some other court case ? will it be granted then also. ?



Why give them the chance in the first place ?

If they are not satisfied, let them not be. Who gives a flying f*** as to what their opinions are?

India is quite capable of defending itself in international eyes. Also, not allowing them to observe gives an impression that we have something to hide.

No point giving these guys so much importance
 
Then Asians should be allowed to present at the the hearing of Guatemala, Afghanistan, Iraq, 9/11 court hearings etc. etc.

They can't have double standards.

The western people who have wiped out millions of people and butchered millions of natives from their own lands of South America, North America and Australia etc. don't have any morally to utter a single word on human rights.

Its just a weak prime minister in India that west is even daring to poke its nose.
 
And the point is ? Did I question any of your achievements, whatever they may be ? Lets not get personal.

The question is Do you support the presence of Foreign observers in the court proceedings in an 'internal' matter of India ?

If so why ? Is India a banana republic and its courts akin to Kangaroo courts to warrant an external supervision ?

No the post was not about my personal achievements. It was to explain that India and India's achievements are far too real and significant and visible to worry about what somebody in Lappland or Sweden or Burkina Faso or Holland thinks about it!

Of course, "rights of admission" reserved; if a puny pub can enforce that, why can't a sovereign nation?

In this instance what would have that achieved, those guys came, they saw and they will go back. If they talk, they can either talk sense or blabber. Either way, nothing can be done about it. But what they got to see was significant. Due process of law being followed. Some good lawyers (Ram Jethmalani included) making vigorous points. A working legal system. So what can they blabber about- how many fans in the court-room were not working!

This is better than shutting them out of the system. We have an example of a judicial trial in the neighbourhood into a serious matter for over 2 years "in camera". Tell me who will treat that legal proceedings with any credibility.

As far as i am concerned, let these guys come and go. They have at least put some money in to the economy, the hotels, taxi and rickshaw-wallas, may be even the chai-wallas. And may be they will have something to tell their grand-children. Their visit to !ncredible !ndia. :)
 
Then Asians should be allowed to present at the the hearing of Guatemala, Afghanistan, Iraq, 9/11 court hearings etc. etc.

They can't have double standards.

The western people who have wiped out millions of people and butchered millions of natives from their own lands of South America, North America and Australia etc. don't have any morally to utter a single word on human rights.

Its just a weak prime minister in India that west is even daring to poke its nose.

OMG

this china-hater is copy and pasting my words

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
No the post was not about my personal achievements. It was to explain that India and India's achievements are far too real and significant and visible to worry about what somebody in Lappland or Sweden or Burkina Faso or Holland thinks about it!

Of course, "rights of admission" reserved; if a puny pub can enforce that, why can't a sovereign nation?

In this instance what would have that achieved, those guys came, they saw and they will go back. If they talk, they can either talk sense or blabber. Either way, nothing can be done about it. But what they got to see was significant. Due process of law being followed. Some good lawyers (Ram Jethmalani included) making vigorous points. A working legal system. So what can they blabber about- how many fans in the court-room were not working!

This is better than shutting them out of the system. We have an example of a judicial trial in the neighbourhood into a serious matter for over 2 years "in camera". Tell me who will treat that legal proceedings with any credibility.

As far as i am concerned, let these guys come and go. They have at least put some money in to the economy, the hotels, taxi and rickshaw-wallas, may be even the chai-wallas. And may be they will have something to tell their grand-children. Their visit to !ncredible !ndia. :)

While your arguments present one side of the coin, i am interested to know the other side too. Note that i am neither against nor for the visit i.e i don't care. What warranted the visit by this so called delegation?? Why this only case??
 
While your arguments present one side of the coin, i am interested to know the other side too. Note that i am neither against nor for the visit i.e i don't care. What warranted the visit by this so called delegation?? Why this only case??

Because Binayak Sen is a personality known to them, because the evidence against him in the lower court seems fuzzy (even to Indians), and the sentence for carrying letters was a life sentence; while the sentence for 'hit and run' death, destruction of evidence and obstruction of justice (remember the BMW case) was 2 years.

In the case of that Maoist journalist (can't remember his name) who was allegedly killed in a false encounter, nobody came. Nobody in Europe knew him, while the case against him seemed to be clearer.

That changes nothing, let anybody come to see; what difference does it make. Please read my earlier posts too, i've said it clearly.
 
Nothing wrong in having them, may be we will learn something from them.
Babus in GOI do not care about what others think about India, they pretty much do what they want to do.
European or african or American delegation wont change the outcome, I am more worried about people who pass judgements in TV programs.
 
What are the rules relating to foreign observers or citizens sitting through a trial ? In US its almost always exclusively depends on the Judge. The court room is the castle of the Judge.
 
yah and why not for the case of pappu stole my cycle when i was 8 yr old for the sake of proving to world that we are free and fair.

first let the europeans give us aceess to thier courts so that we can make sure our judges of fairness are also fair

do we need a certificate from europeans?
 

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