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Do you support the presence of Europeans in the court hearing of Binayak Sen ?

Is the presence of European observers in the court hearing of Sen justified ?

  • No - It amounts to others meddling in our internal affairs

    Votes: 8 57.1%
  • Yes - It is justified

    Votes: 5 35.7%
  • Who cares ??!!

    Votes: 1 7.1%

  • Total voters
    14

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How many support the presence of the European 'observers' on the bail hearing of Binayak Sen ?

Does it not amount to allowing other countries to meddle and pass judgements on our internal matters ?

Give your views and discuss.
 
I do support even UNHRC observers along with european human rights observers in binayak sen's case and also all minority riots related cases like those of gujarat and khandhmal.
 
india's internal issue of law & order!! if you allow this one time, thease guys might make a habit of it & would want to peep into every other case even though it has no bearing on international community!!
 
How many support the presence of the European 'observers' on the bail hearing of Binayak Sen ?

Does it not amount to allowing other countries to meddle and pass judgements on our internal matters ?

Give your views and discuss.


About these Observers
Were they sitting with the judge on his chair?
Were they arguing the case with the lawyers?
Were they deposing with the witnesses?
Were they holding the respondent/accused with hand-cuffs?
Were they recording evidence with the Court Clerk?
Were they carrying court files with the Court Chaprasis?
Were they selling tea in the stalls just outside the Court gates?
Were they driving the auto-rickshaws bringing people to the court?

You tell me what they did inside or outside the court-room; then there will be some thing to discuss.
 
About these Observers
Were they sitting with the judge on his chair?
Were they arguing the case with the lawyers?
Were they deposing with the witnesses?
Were they holding the respondent/accused with hand-cuffs?
Were they recording evidence with the Court Clerk?
Were they carrying court files with the Court Chaprasis?
Were they selling tea in the stalls just outside the Court gates?
Were they driving the auto-rickshaws bringing people to the court?

You tell me what they did inside or outside the court-room; then there will be some thing to discuss.

Sorry to say, but they might have even come for cleaning the HC toilet. But does that matter ??

They came to 'observe' a matter that has no bearing on their union in any way and the gut-wrenching thing is that the GoI has allowed them to come here whereas ideally they should have been politely turned down citing 'unwarranted' interference in internal matters of India.

Ok tell me one thing - will UK allow a Indian observer in the trial of an IRA accused or Spain allow one in the trial of a person accused to be having links with ETA ?

The much hyped Indian foreign policy is not so independent , after all.
 
How many support the presence of the European 'observers' on the bail hearing of Binayak Sen ?

Does it not amount to allowing other countries to meddle and pass judgements on our internal matters ?

Give your views and discuss.

while i agree with u r comments on internal affairs point of view but i think jus to prove to the world that we r fair, we have allowed these observers.
 
How many support the presence of the European 'observers' on the bail hearing of Binayak Sen ?

Does it not amount to allowing other countries to meddle and pass judgements on our internal matters ?

Give your views and discuss.

India is a free country, and as far as I can tell, the court hasn't barred anyone from the hearing.

If the human rights people want to sit in court, let them. We don't have anything to hide.

P.S.: I can telll fromm personal experience that these hearings can be quite boring. ;)
 
while i agree with u r comments on internal affairs point of view but i think jus to prove to the world that we r fair, we have allowed these observers.

India is a free country, and as far as I can tell, the court hasn't barred anyone from the hearing.

If the human rights people want to sit in court, let them. We don't have anything to hide.

P.S.: I can telll fromm personal experience that these hearings can be quite boring. ;)


It is not that we have something to hide, so we dont allow.

It is something concerning the respect of a country and I am sorry to say we are not acting like self-respecting country allowing a bunch of goras to 'observe' something that is clearly our internal matter.

Egypt, a country the fraction of a size of India in size,population,economy,military showed the finger to the Vatican not to interfere in its internal affairs when the Vatican issued some statements regarding the bomb blast of Christians.

That is how a sovereign country should act. Not like this.

@guns-roses : Dude do you seriously think we need to 'prove' the world anything regarding the internal matters of India ?
 
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Well to bring a perspective of the issue , little news about it:

A European Union delegation on Monday watched the proceedings of the Chhattisgarh High Court hearing the appeal of rights activist Dr Binayak Sen against conviction and life sentence by the trial court on the charges of sedition last month.

The eight member delegation, comprising Peter Kimpian (Hungary), Raphael Martian De Lagarde (France) Alexandra Berg von Linde (Sweden), Florian Burkhardt (Germany), Jochen Anthierens (Belgium), Iain Twigg (UK), Louise de Brass (Denmark) and Anne Vaugier-Chatterjee (EU), arrived at the high court around noon.

Police sources said the members of the delegation were keen to watch the proceedings of the hearing on Dr Sen’s appeal. “We informed the competent authorities of the high court and with due permission they were allowed inside the court premises”, they added.

All the foreign delegates were present in the jam-packed court room during the hearing when defence counsel Ram Jethmalani argued the case.

A group of Akhil Bharatiya Vidyarthi Parishad (ABVP) workers took out a protest demonstration raising slogans against EU delegation’s observer mission , describing it as an interference in the functioning of independent judiciary. Besides, they had also raised slogans against BJP Rajya Sabha member Ram Jethmalani for agreeing to defending Dr Binayak Sen, who has been convicted for allegedly acting as a conduit for the Maoists.

Earlier reports said the EU delegation in India had sought assistance in “facilitating an observer mission” to attend the hearing on appeal by Dr Binayak Sen in the high court at Bilaspur.

The move had sparked protests from the ruling BJP in Chhattisgarh with its state president Ram Sewak Paikra describing it as an undue interference in the judicial functioning. A group of ABVP workers had showed black flags when the delegation arrived at the Mana airport in Raipur late Sunday night.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hc-allows-eu-team-to-attend-binayak-sen-case-proceedings/741682/
 
Now here is a person whom i respect in Politics , Mr. Jaya Prakash Narayan and here is what he thinks.

Hyderabad, January 26: Lok Satta Party President Dr. Jayaprkash Narayan today took strong exception to the European Union sending a team to monitor the bail hearing of human rights activist Dr. Binayak Sen at the Chattisgarh High Court in Bilasapur.

“India is not a banana republic to warrant such visits,” said Dr. JP in a media statement. India is a robust democracy with an exceptional record in preserving liberty both among developing and developed countries. Successive Governments in India have not fought shy of taking corrective action whenever human rights are violated, and the judiciary addressing instances of miscarriage of justice. India has a wonderful institution in the Supreme Court to preserve individual liberty and human rights.

Dr. JP recalled that the Lok Satta has already appealed to the judiciary to “fast track the appeal of Dr. Binayak Sen and ensure that justice is not only done but seen to be done. The Indian judiciary is more than capable of addressing the issue. We do not require to be taught lessons on rule of law or natural justice by meddlesome foreigners.”

Dr. JP said excessive exuberance on the part of the European Union to monitor the working of the Indian judiciary, known for its competence and transparency, was unwarranted. Indian public institutions and civil society are fully capable of meeting the challenges in preserving constitutional order and protecting our liberties.

Even indigenous groups zealous of protecting human rights should recognize that there is a clear line between protecting human rights and preserving the nation’s self-respect.
Dr. Binayak Sen had been sentenced to life imprisonment for sedition a month ago.

Keep off Indian judiciary, JP tells European Union | Siasat
 
Sorry to say, but they might have even come for cleaning the HC toilet. But does that matter ??

They came to 'observe' a matter that has no bearing on their union in any way and the gut-wrenching thing is that the GoI has allowed them to come here whereas ideally they should have been politely turned down citing 'unwarranted' interference in internal matters of India.

Ok tell me one thing - will UK allow a Indian observer in the trial of an IRA accused or Spain allow one in the trial of a person accused to be having links with ETA ?



HEY HEY,
Take it easy. They came as observers (whatever that is). They come as tourist as well. So they come, they see (as observers or whatever) they blah (tourists do that as well). What is the big deal?

They did not seem to to any of the things that i outlined in my earlier post. If they did any of those things, including cleaning the court toilets, i might have been concerned, because there is scope for real mischief. Looking on and blabbering (if it happens) is just that ;looking on and blabbering, nothing more.

i've grown beyond the point of thinking what other people think of me. i am real, my achievements are real and visible for all (including myself) to see. It is the same for my country (which BTW, is older and bigger than me).

So, What me worry?!?
About India sending observers to Europe, waste of money; unless its for a vacation.
 
It is not that we have something to hide, so we dont allow.

It is something concerning the respect of a country and I am sorry to say we are not acting like self-respecting country allowing a bunch of goras to 'observe' something that is clearly our internal matter.

Egypt, a country the fraction of a size of India in size,population,economy,military showed the finger to the Vatican not to interfere in its internal affairs when the Vatican issued some statements regarding the bomb blast of Christians.

That is how a sovereign country should act. Not like this.

@guns-roses : Dude do you seriously think we need to 'prove' the world anything regarding the internal matters of India ?



may be after seeing fair trial they will shut up. but i agree it might set a bad precedence.
 
HEY HEY,
Take it easy. They came as observers (whatever that is). They come as tourist as well. So they come, they see (as observers or whatever) they blah (tourists do that as well). What is the big deal?

They did not seem to to any of the things that i outlined in my earlier post. If they did any of those things, including cleaning the court toilets, i might have been concerned, because there is scope for real mischief. Looking on and blabbering (if it happens) is just that ;looking on and blabbering, nothing more.

i've grown beyond the point of thinking what other people think of me. i am real, my achievements are real and visible for all (including myself) to see. It is the same for my country (which BTW, is older and bigger than me).

So, What me worry?!?

And the point is ? Did I question any of your achievements, whatever they may be ? Lets not get personal.

The question is Do you support the presence of Foreign observers in the court proceedings in an 'internal' matter of India ?

If so why ? Is India a banana republic and its courts akin to Kangaroo courts to warrant an external supervision ?
 

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