Do you see Islam flourishing once the oil dependency is over?

[Maula Jatt]

By the end of the century all religions will become a relic and will be replaced by a homogoneous version. AI will accelerate this so it might even happen within 30 years.

I used to believe the same thing but now I am not too sure
I am having second thoughts

Seems like oil will always have its uses but in the next 30-50years with electric vehicles and green energy + technological improvements, oil won't be as sought after as present. With decrease in oil the Muslims of Middle East especially gulf kingdoms, Iran etc will have to diversify. How do you see Muslims in the long term once oil prices go down? Will they diversify or will it be a good thing not to rely so much on one thing and rather explore and learn new skills and open up more to the world?

Most Muslim countries are oil net importers not exporters

 

[Azadkashmir]

if this the case i buying few donkeys and horses it be good investment.

 

[HAIDER]

Seems like oil will always have its uses but in the next 30-50years with electric vehicles and green energy + technological improvements, oil won't be as sought after as present. With decrease in oil the Muslims of Middle East especially gulf kingdoms, Iran etc will have to diversify. How do you see Muslims in the long term once oil prices go down? Will they diversify or will it be a good thing not to rely so much on one thing and rather explore and learn new skills and open up more to the world?

What a logic, when money goes, poverty flourishes...when poverty flourishes religion takes the roots to pessimistic hearts .......and then ...................

 

[Indos]

Population is hard to say since wealthy countries like East Asia/West Europe/Australia/America etc all are non religious majority. If Islamic countries become wealthy through their own hard work they may become non religious or they stay poor and religious. Once people learn about evolution/biology/technology/astronomy etc students become more science/fact based. Regardless we will have to wait and see what happens since Islams biggest enemies right now are their own people who hold them back and war against each other.

Yup, non religious countries currently have better GDP and industries. That is correct.

But Muslim countries are still developing as well. Actually as we are speaking, Muslim countries are becoming both more wealthy and also more religious. Some with huge oil and gas have already been rich. In the past, they were not only poor but also under Western occupation and you are unlikely see Indonesian women wear Hijab during that period, where now most of our women wear Hijabs.

To be able to see this issue in much clearer way, you should not define the word wealthy by your own subjective term, but it should be compared to the same society in previous period. There you could likely see what you want to see in the future from the trend, as the trend have already been created over some decades that could project what will likely happen in the future.

So for Muslims, based on the trend, they are likely become more religious as they are getting wealthier where the opposite trend happened with Western countries and North East Asian countries.

We do acknowledge though that several important Muslim countries currently in economic difficulty like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, Turkey, Iran.

We will see wheter Saudi could diversify their industry or not

Just wait for another 5 years to see what will happen next. If those countries mentioned are able to solve their economic and political problem within the next 5 years, I would say Muslim countries will likely be in decent position.

 

[_killuminati_]

Seems like oil will always have its uses but in the next 30-50years with electric vehicles and green energy + technological improvements, oil won't be as sought after as present. With decrease in oil the Muslims of Middle East especially gulf kingdoms, Iran etc will have to diversify. How do you see Muslims in the long term once oil prices go down? Will they diversify or will it be a good thing not to rely so much on one thing and rather explore and learn new skills and open up more to the world?

Oil has more uses than just providing energy. BTX is still the source of all plastics, polystyrene, polyurethane, nylon and countless other materials.

There was an effort in past years to replace BTX with plant derivatives but it did not yield expected results.

Also, BTX is a byproduct of oil refinement. Meaning, oil will continue to be refined for BTX even if the refined oil itself is of little use.

 

[retaxis]

Yup, non religious countries currently have better GDP and industries. That is correct.

But Muslim countries are still developing as well. Actually as we are speaking, Muslim countries are becoming both more wealthy and also more religious. Some with huge oil and gas have already been rich. In the past, they were not only poor but also under Western occupation and you are unlikely see Indonesian women wear Hijab during that period, where now most of our women wear Hijabs.

To be able to see this issue in much clearer way, you should not define the word wealthy by your own subjective term, but it should be compared to the same society in previous period. There you could likely see what you want to see in the future from the trend, as the trend have already been created over some decades that could project what will likely happen in the future.

So for Muslims, based on the trend, they are likely become more religious as they are getting wealthier where the opposite trend happened with Western countries and North East Asian countries.

We do acknowledge though that several important Muslim countries currently in economic difficulty like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, Turkey, Iran.

We will see wheter Saudi could diversify their industry or not

Just wait for another 5 years to see what will happen next. If those countries mentioned are able to solve their economic and political problem within the next 5 years, I would say Muslim countries will likely be in decent position.

Yes we will have to see. I define wealthy as 30k GDP per capita or higher so at that stage we can re evaluate muslim countries. Indonesia still has a very long way to go so its too early to say anything. Plus Indonesia is still converting its Eastern islanders to Islam over the past 50 years and ongoing.

I forsee that as muslim countries get to that stage of wealth, many will become non religious forcing the jihadists within the society to fear that and strike out causing potential civil war.

 

[retaxis]

Oil has more uses than just providing energy. BTX is still the source of all plastics, polystyrene, polyurethane, nylon and countless other materials.

There was an effort in past years to replace BTX with plant derivatives but it did not yield expected results.

Also, BTX is a byproduct of oil refinement. Meaning, oil will continue to be refined for BTX even if the refined oil itself is of little use.

Of course oil and gas will be useful for a long time. Plastic didn't get rid of wood just reduced the need for wood but wood is still useful

 

[Indos]

Yes we will have to see. I define wealthy as 30k GDP per capita or higher so at that stage we can re evaluate muslim countries. Indonesia still has a very long way to go so its too early to say anything. Plus Indonesia is still converting its Eastern islanders to Islam over the past 50 years and ongoing.

I forsee that as muslim countries get to that stage of wealth, many will become non religious forcing the jihadists within the society to fear that and strike out causing potential civil war.

Islamist radical in Indonesia has already been destroyed. You dont see what happened during early 2000 with Bali bombing, Marriot Hotel Bombing, or Philippine embassy bombing after 2010.

Islamist radical is unlikely to strive under more prosperous, more religious Indonesians society who also heavily support democracy inshaAllah.

Islamist radical is a group that cannot be regarded as religious, they are Muslims who lack of Islamic knowledge like Quran and Hadith. I can say this clearly since I have read whole Quran verses with the translation more than once, including reading many hadiths and read biography of early Chalipt like Abu Bakar from respected and credible historian.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Seems like oil will always have its uses but in the next 30-50years with electric vehicles and green energy + technological improvements, oil won't be as sought after as present. With decrease in oil the Muslims of Middle East especially gulf kingdoms, Iran etc will have to diversify. How do you see Muslims in the long term once oil prices go down? Will they diversify or will it be a good thing not to rely so much on one thing and rather explore and learn new skills and open up more to the world?

Flourishing not equal to population.

 

[retaxis]

Islamist radical in Indonesia has already been destroyed. You dont see what happened during early 2000 with Bali bombing, Marriot Hotel Bombing, or Philippine embassy bombing after 2010.

Islamist radical is unlikely to strive under more prosperous, more religious Indonesians society who also heavily support democracy.

Islamist radical is a group that cannot be regarded as religious, they are Muslims who lack of Islamic knowledge like Quran and Hadith. I can say this clearly since I have read whole Quran verses more than once, including reading many hadiths and read biography of early Chalipt like Abu Bakar.

Well I will take ur word for it as many Australians still remember jamah islamiyah and the bali bomings. If Indonesia does become more non religious due to GDP going 20k per capita in the future, Muslim extremists may feel threatened by secular/non religious muslims and may strike out. But you know ur country best so we will see what the future hold. I hope Indonesia does grow to be a more powerful country as the world shouldn't be under the dictatorship of USA

 

[SaadH]

I don't buy this EV bull cr@p. Mining lithium is just as damaging to the environment as burning dino juice.

Fingers crossed for solid state and non-lithium sodium-ion batteries.

Personally, hydrogen is far more viable option. I mean, the whole damn universe 'runs' (so to speak) on hydrogen which ought to give you a clue or two! But if a solid-state EV can provide 1,000+ miles of range then that's rather moot... though you'd still be lugging around a heavy weight battery which is rather inefficient in itself!

Plus, hydrogen can be used to power existing internal combustion engines (ICEs). Then there's biodiesel and ethanol.

As for Arabs... well, they're screwed! Dubai, the so called "epitome" of Arab culture, is nothing more than a glamorous sh!t hole. Heck, the entire Arab world has all the personality of America's run-of-the-mill car-centric suburbs.

Good luck peddling tourism, heh!

You do realize Saudis non-oil exports are more than double Pakistan's total exports...even Arab buddhus have more economic sense than the duffer sepoys of East India Company.

 

[313ghazi]

Seems like oil will always have its uses but in the next 30-50years with electric vehicles and green energy + technological improvements, oil won't be as sought after as present. With decrease in oil the Muslims of Middle East especially gulf kingdoms, Iran etc will have to diversify. How do you see Muslims in the long term once oil prices go down? Will they diversify or will it be a good thing not to rely so much on one thing and rather explore and learn new skills and open up more to the world?

100%.

The Gulf Arab wealth has been a hinderance. They've used it to spread their radical opinions, they've used it to buy corrupt political leaders and inept economies.

Once they can't throw their money around anymore, countries like Pakistan might be able to stand on their own feet.

 

[Menthol]

Seems like oil will always have its uses but in the next 30-50years with electric vehicles and green energy + technological improvements, oil won't be as sought after as present. With decrease in oil the Muslims of Middle East especially gulf kingdoms, Iran etc will have to diversify. How do you see Muslims in the long term once oil prices go down? Will they diversify or will it be a good thing not to rely so much on one thing and rather explore and learn new skills and open up more to the world?

For oil rich countries, they should start changing their economic model from today.

For the non-oil rich countries, they should change their mindset and culture.

 

[Musalman]

Seems like oil will always have its uses but in the next 30-50years with electric vehicles and green energy + technological improvements, oil won't be as sought after as present. With decrease in oil the Muslims of Middle East especially gulf kingdoms, Iran etc will have to diversify. How do you see Muslims in the long term once oil prices go down? Will they diversify or will it be a good thing not to rely so much on one thing and rather explore and learn new skills and open up more to the world?

Islam is not equal to Arabs of the middle east any more. Muslims includes Turks, Iranian and Indonesian Malaysians. So if oil ends nothing harm will be done to Islam but yes Arabs they have a problem. But seeing what Dubai is doing and other arab countries, they are working on the plan B too.

 

[Fish]

You do realize Saudis non-oil exports are more than double Pakistan's total exports...even Arab buddhus have more economic sense than the duffer sepoys of East India Company.

Oh yes, "non-oil exports."

For exports, you need industry. For industry, you need capital. From where, do you think, Saudi Arab's capital comes from?!

They aren't getting overburdened by foreign debts; I can tell you that much!

And besides, you're living in fool's paradise if you think Saudis can sustain their luxurious lifestyle with their non-oil exports, heh!

Heck, they'd be herding camels without their oil, mineral, and metal reserves, as opposed to puttering around in gold-plated Ferraris!

Now, go away, kid.