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Do you believe in a/some spiritual Guru/Sant/Saint/Pir/Baba ?

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correct use batane wala kaun hai ?

@Maula Jatt .. do you know of this guy, how famous is he around there ?
idk the man- I only know some historical saints not what their decedents are doing
as most of the time they're doing something retarted anyways so who cares

only some saints are worthy of respect like Hurs of SIndh who fought the British or Baba farids decedents who used their influence amongst different clans to keep peace, or unite/influence them in some ways for productive reasons or Sirhindi saints who resisted akbars changes to islam in Hindustan

all of them had a spirit and ideology they were following (even if I don't agree with their ideology, I respect them standing up for what they believed in) and anyone following that path is a good man regardless of the fact if he is a descendent of a famous man or not
 
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Sometimes that may not be enough

the general still needs his people

its why they have sentry towers and recon teams and UAV and manned air and watercraft patrolling the borders.

you n me, we rambos, bro.. but a lot of people need help.

but that doesn't make em dumbos either.

Weak minded people believe them .
People who need help are being fooled by babas , pirs, faqirs .
Name any baba in our sub continent i will show you they are fooling and amassing wealth from poor devotees without giving them any relief , they can not give , it is beyond their capacity .

idk the man- I only know some historical saints not what their decedents are doing
as most of the time they're doing something retarted anyways so who cares

only some saints are worthy of respect like Hurs of SIndh who fought the British or Baba farids decedents who used their influence amongst different clans to keep peace, or unite/influence them in some ways for productive reasons or Sirhindi saints who resisted akbars changes to islam in Hindustan

all of them had a spirit and ideology they were following (even if I don't agree with their ideology, I respect them standing up for what they believed in) and anyone following that path is a good man regardless of the fact if he is a descendent of a famous man or not
How much money goes to them from poor people to these places ? Poor people need development , education , doctors, infrastructure . These spiritual leaders cant give these things to them , descendants of babas are enjoying on the poor peoples money .
 
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Weak minded people believe them .
People who need help are being fooled by babas , pirs, faqirs .
Name any baba in our sub continent i will show you they are fooling and amassing wealth from poor devotees without giving them any relief , they can not give , it is beyond their capacity .
but logon ke help ho ri hai toh why not ?

haan, if they're being defrauded of their monies or abused sexually whatever, or being indoctrinated into something bad like a cult. That's bad, but otherwise I personally see no problem if some people turn to these sant baba pir types for sukoon or whatever,
 
Worshipping of any creation is strictly forbidden in Islam and also goes against human logic. There is no such thing as a sacred man in Islam. A person that has no control over his or her own breathing or bowl movements and cannot even bless himself or herself, how the hell can then some idiots expect that he/she can "bless" them or you in any way, shape or form?

Polythiesm is illogical and man worship above all is disgusting.

A person however can gain followers.

There are people in Pakistan that still defend and will vote for Nawaz Sharif, Zardari etc whereas in a real Islam based system they would have been executed for their crimes a long time ago. But most of their followers have their own interests at stake so their behavior can be explained.

In Pakistan it is mostly shrine businesses where the families running shrines make lots of $$ from it. People's affinity for Islam is used by many for their own personal and nefarious reasons.

If I had any power I would demolish all those shrines and jail the families running them.
Why demolish shrines for your own beliefs? Everyone has a right to make their own choices and follow their faith.
 
Why demolish shrines for your own beliefs? Everyone has a right to make their own choices and follow their faith.
Shrines are a one thing. But these so called shrines make a mockery of Islam. Not only that, they are nothing but a money making scheme for the families running them. It is in the interest of these power structures to keep people uninformed and lowly educated.
 
Weak minded people believe them .
People who need help are being fooled by babas , pirs, faqirs .
Name any baba in our sub continent i will show you they are fooling and amassing wealth from poor devotees without giving them any relief , they can not give , it is beyond their capacity .


How much money goes to them from poor people to these places ? Poor people need development , education , doctors, infrastructure . These spiritual leaders cant give these things to them , descendants of babas are enjoying on the poor peoples money .
Remember that, any spiritual leader who wants to be famous, is never to be trusted.

Spirituality and fame can never go hand in hand

Faith and Spirituality are something deeply personal, between the seeker and the Paramatma

So I will agree, 99% of these babas/gurus (have no idea on pirs etc, so will not speak on something I have no idea).
 
Remember that, any spiritual leader who wants to be famous, is never to be trusted.

Spirituality and fame can never go hand in hand

Faith and Spirituality are something deeply personal, between the seeker and the Paramatma

So I will agree, 99% of these babas/gurus (have no idea on pirs etc, so will not speak on something I have no idea).
You hundred percent correct , these babas , pir , fakir , dargah all are looting poor sad uneducated masses . I have seen corruption of such big places . These places are used for all types of crimes .
 
where can I read full mahabharata in English and what's its significance to Indian culture?
So I haven't actually read the Mahabharata myself but what I know is from the kids book when I was young (which wasn't a typical comics book but covered a lot of the story), what my parents told me and a few episodes of the TV serials. I too haven't read the whole Mahabharata in detail so I wouldn't be the right person to guide you. However, after researching a bit on the internet and if you want an actual book, this can be a good one:


If you just want to read online without spending money, then you can refer the KMG version which people say is good. Or you can refer the one @indushek shared.


Since you don't know much of the story, it could be a little hard for you to dissect and understand what is happening or who even are the main characters when you read it initially. Conversely, it might give you the capability to read it fresh without any external biases on certain characters. It means you'll apply your own judgement on them.
The other approach is to have a basic understanding of the main events and then read it to have better context. It's completely up to you.

Speaking about significance to Indian culture, well it's huge. Almost every Hindu/Jain/Buddhist/Sikh(not sure) in India knows about the events that transpired in the Mahabharata. They know who the two sides were, where the battles was fought (Kurukshetra) and what the outcome was.
The Bhagavad Gita, arguably one of the most if not the most sacred text for Hindus is part of the Mahabharata. The Pandavas and Kauravas are already on the battlefield and are about to fight when Arjuna, the leader of the Pandavas hesitates. He is about to throw down his weapons since he feels that even if he wins the battle, he'll still be killing his own family.

O Krishna, seeing my own kinsmen arrayed for battle here and intent on killing each other, my limbs are giving way and my mouth is drying up.
My whole body shudders; my hair is standing on end. My bow, the Gāṇḍīv, is slipping from my hand, and my skin is burning all over. My mind is in quandary and whirling in confusion; I am unable to hold myself steady any longer. O Krishna, killer of the Keshi demon, I only see omens of misfortune. I do not foresee how any good can come from killing my own kinsmen in this battle.


This is where Shri Krishna who is Arjuna's charioteer explains what Dharma means and what his Dharma at that moment should be. There is a continuous back and forth between Arjuna and Shri Krishna where Arjuna asks questions and Shri Krishna answers. Different concepts such as the artha, kama, moksha, etc are also discussed. The below is the most famous verse from the scriptue:

BG 2.47: You have a right to perform your prescribed duties, but you are not entitled to the fruits of your actions. Never consider yourself to be the cause of the results of your activities, nor be attached to inaction.


It simply means that you have to do your work without expectation of result. We usually get disappointed if we don't get the result we want or we get overly excited if we achieve what we wanted. The focus should always be on the work (karma) not on the result (karma-phal).
 
Says who?
If you reject the Ijma of the Muslims then you go on to create your own little beliefe system that is seperate from what Muslims believe.

If you reject the Qiyas of the scholars then you claim that you have more knowledge than them.

If you reject the fundamental scriptures of Islam then you have nothing to do with Islam.

This is taught at absolutely basic level to little kids.
 

Do you believe in a/some spiritual Guru/Sant/Saint/Pir/Baba ?​


Yuck.

I don't need a goddamn 'medium' to 'connect' myself with the higher power!

As a mortal, I known - first hand - that I've no control over the course of my life. I spent ages trying to steer my life, but to no avail. It was almost as if what I wanted meant squat!

Did I turn to some self-proclaimed guru or some sh!t? Absolutely not!

No mortal has control over their own life, let alone other's. They might think they're in-charge, but they aren't! The thing is, power and control are just an illusion. If someone's rich, powerful, or successful, that only means that things are going in their favor... at the moment.

That doesn't make them a goddamn god or something!
 
If you reject the Ijma of the Muslims then you go on to create your own little beliefe system that is seperate from what Muslims believe.

If you reject the Qiyas of the scholars then you claim that you have more knowledge than them.

If you reject the fundamental scriptures of Islam then you have nothing to do with Islam.

This is taught at absolutely basic level to little kids.



Ijma or Qiyas is only allowed if it's also in-line with Quran and Hadith. Ijma or Qiyas against Quran and Hadith means nothing in Islam.

Going by your logic, if all the scholars today agree on allowing LGBTQ - will you be willing to marry yourself with the same gender?
 

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