Distorting of opinions over Indo-Pak war 02-2019

[BATMAN]

War against terrorism and terrorists , not against Pakistan or its military.

You want to attack terrorist with all your military? Lead by General Bipin!
If it was no war than Abhinandan wasn't PoW either.

 

[MilSpec]

What about our dossiers which were given to modi in Sharm al Shiekh by Yousef Reza Gilani.

Lets establish one simple thing.
Your state has often claimed Pakistan holds no bearing of responsibility of whatsoever for non-state actors often dubbed Mujhahideens (holy warriors) fighting in Kashmir;
Conveniently ignoring the fact that your Pakistani army commissioned officers and Soldiers fought along side these so called non state actors, themselves masquerading as mujhahideens . i.e State actors posing as non state entities executing a Pakistani Army plan. All the while then DG ISPR Gen Rashid Qureshi parroting the line of comabatants being Kashimiri Mujhideens, and denying any Pakistani involvement; later to refuted by insourmountable evidence of Pakistani regulars, along with admissions by Ex-PM, EX-President/COAS, Ex- Gen 10Corp, Ex DG-ISI to list a few.
That leaves no room to demarcate between non-state militants actions and your Army's action; to it's effect both are one and the same. Even then India provided ample peaceful overtures to Pakistan for joint investigation in Mumbai/Pathankot; Indian choice of response for the lack of better words was due to running out of choices.

 

[HAIDER]

Hi, I have seen mods. and officials distorting member's opinion and continuously reverting to the myopic view of releasing Indian pilot, which was not the ONLY thing happened in the war.

Let's get the basics straight to avoid the confusions.

I have firm belief:
WAR IS NO SOLUTION. PEACE SHOULD BE LONG LASTING.

At the same time, I also believe:
Pakistan's political handling of situation and events which unfolded after India's declaration and act of war, had NO contribution in peace.
I'm also not in agreement of Peace Prize nomination filed by govt. of Pakistan, perhaps later with drawn.
People may hold difference of opinion, but they have no right to wrongly paint opponent's opinion, i claim it as an act of evil.

Again for the sake of correcting the record:
I believe; PoW should be treated as defined in Geneva conventions and must be reciprocated by the opposite side as well.
Treating PoW as VIP guests is something i don't agree to, for various reasons but mainly because, Pakistan have had PoW in past and they were as well treated according to Geneva regulations, so this new way clearly is seen as disrespectful to the past army officers who have fought wars with India, with much less resources. This aspect can be left open to be discussed later.

Hope above opening, would eliminate the possibility to blame and accuse member's opinions contrary to the facts, which unfortunately is a trait here, and i have proven it many a times and will continue to do so. Hope it's also clear.

Now starting with conveniently ignored FACTS of political mishandling:
Indian pilot was released in middle of war, without agreeing to cease fire.
AF was ordered not to hit any of Indian military's supply depots, Indian military personals, Indian military infrastructure, and later also not to sunk intruding Indian sub.


So guys let's continue to roll here.
Did some one ever wrongly translated your opinion?

Imagine the propaganda feeding to Indian people. In there mother forum they said Mig21 shot down F16D. After reaching there forum page 600 , they claim the Indian pilot was never caught and they are all fabricated videos by Pakistani people. ...... now how you going to deal with such a mentality .....

 

[BATMAN]

Lets establish one simple thing.
Your state has often claimed Pakistan holds no bearing of responsibility of whatsoever for non-state actors often dubbed Mujhahideens (holy warriors) fighting in Kashmir;
Conveniently ignoring the fact that your Pakistani army commissioned officers and Soldiers fought along side these so called non state actors, themselves masquerading as mujhahideens . i.e State actors posing as non state entities executing a Pakistani Army plan. All the while then DG ISPR Gen Rashid Qureshi parroting the line of comabatants being Kashimiri Mujhideens, and denying any Pakistani involvement; later to refuted by insourmountable evidence of Pakistani regulars, along with admissions by Ex-PM, EX-President/COAS, Ex- Gen 10Corp, Ex DG-ISI to list a few.
That leaves no room to demarcate between non-state militants actions and your Army's action; to it's effect both are one and the same. Even then India provided ample peaceful overtures to Pakistan for joint investigation in Mumbai/Pathankot; Indian choice of response for the lack of better words was due to running out of choices.

I can't confirm any of your claims, but where was your courage when Rashid Qureshi was ISPR?

 

[Jugger]

You want to attack terrorist with all your military? Lead by General Bipin!
If it was no war than Abhinandan wasn't PoW either.

Exactly, Abhinandan was not a POW, as there was no war going on. He was just captured.
This is the reason why he was sent home so early.
As you know POWs are only sent back to the country of origin after war has ended.

 

[BATMAN]

now how you going to deal with such a mentality .....

ashes of general Bipin would have fixed such mentality.

Exactly, Abhinandan was not a POW, as there was no war going on. He was just captured.
This is the reason why he was sent home so early.
As you know POWs are only sent back to the country of origin after war has ended.

That's the question, i have been asking for past two weeks and continuously painted wrongly.
Can you tell me, what could be the compulsion of Imran Khan for returning Abhinandan?

 

[HAIDER]

Exactly, Abhinandan was not a POW, as there was no war going on. He was just captured.
This is the reason why he was sent home so early.
As you know POWs are only sent back to the country of origin after war has ended.

Anyone who cross the borderline from govt order and using official govt asset with intention to attack the sovereign country and captured is prisoner of war.

 

[Mav3rick]

Your state has left no other avenue of recourse for us.

Have you Indians ever stopped to think over these so called Terrorist attacks? Ever wondered why they so conveniently happen close to elections? And on top of everything else, ever wonder why there is such a heightened level of insurgency in Kashmir for which you require over half a million active Military in that small patch? Ever wonder what your Commander Jhadav was doing in Pakistan? Why not consider your own faults and problems before you point fingers at others?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Yet, was there a war...?
Till this moment there is no war going on between the two nations.

maybe this has something to do with the events from 27 Feb 19 Morning and onwards.
but I am sure Modi will try one more time

 

[MilSpec]

I can't confirm any of your claims, but where was your courage when Rashid Qureshi was ISPR?

You dont need to confirm any thing, look up previous statements from EX COAS/Ex-President Gen Parvez Musharraf; Ex PM Sharif, Ex GoC X Corp Gen Kiani, Ex DG MI Aziz.
As far the question of courage, that is not even of contention, as we said we have just run out of options now.

Have you Indians ever stopped to think over these so called Terrorist attacks? Ever wondered why they so conveniently happen close to elections? And on top of everything else, ever wonder why there is such a heightened level of insurgency in Kashmir for which you require over half a million active Military in that small patch? Ever wonder what your Commander Jhadav was doing in Pakistan? Why not consider your own faults and problems before you point fingers at others?

Really, which elections were during Kargil, or Parliament attacks, or Mumbai attacks, or Pathankot, or Uri?

Now for your half a million number, Indian army's standing straight about 1.2 million, if half a million are in Kashmir valley, that leaves 300 million a piece for the rest of the eastern and western border, i.e with 500 million strength Pakistan has a 1.6 time numerical superiority against India is the rest of the border.

J&K houses the northen command of Indian army, i.e XIV Corps (Leh), XV Corps (Srinagar) and XVI Corps (Nagrota) control the operational units in Northern Command. Off course there will be large contingent in the state, no where it means 500 million soldiers stationed to counter insurgency.

 

[BATMAN]

Anyone who cross the borderline from govt order and using official govt asset with intention to attack the sovereign country and captured is prisoner of war.

Yes but Indians didn't requested return of PoW!
Eventually they have no bar to return your PoW.

You dont need to confirm any thing, look up previous statements from EX COAS/Ex-President Gen Parvez Musharraf; Ex PM Sharif, Ex GoC X Corp Gen Kiani, Ex DG MI Aziz.
As far the question of courage, that is not even of contention, as we said we have just run out of options now.

You are trying to win the war for Indians with words after the tactical victory of Pakistan.
No amount of statements can be used as evidence.
Since no one is going back to verify the statements you quoted, its a moot.
Neither you can justify your late reaction to statements made after past war. I'm sure there are hindered of statements who would be in disagreement to what you are typing.

 

[HAIDER]

Yes but Indians didn't requested return of PoW!
Eventually they have no bar to return your PoW.

But, that was the best time to return the pilot, because whole world was watching and pointing finger at India as aggressor. Returning pilot add fuel to the fire. India end up losing its case every platform. Pakistan already won this standoff in battle ground.

 

[BATMAN]

maybe this has something to do with the events from 27 Feb 19 Morning and onwards.
but I am sure Modi will try one more time

My guess, never again in his life time.
It's out of modi's hand anyway.

But, that was the best time to return the pilot, because whole world was watching and pointing finger at India as aggressor. Returning pilot add fuel to the fire. India end up losing its case every platform. Pakistan already won in this standoff in battle ground.

How is world helping us besides potential peace prize support?
How it would be different, if India had made to formally request pilot through UN?
Pakistan won for us but for Indians it's modi who won!

 

[HAIDER]

My guess, never again in his life time.
It's out of modi's hand anyway.



How is world helping us besides potential peace prize support?
How it would be different, if India had made to formally request pilot through UN?
Pakistan won for us but for Indians it's modi who won!

Modi won in India, but Pakistan every where outside India. May be we were taking this stand off very little skirmish . But US and Indian allies were watching Indian very deeply and they totally disappointed due to Indian performance. And now again they realize that Pakistan is not weak but emerge very strong battle hardened with pride. In West non of paper wrote anything negative about Pakistan during this standoff. But, they give full coverage of Pakistani strike, air force, pilot return and wreckage of Indian planes.
And returned the lost pride of the nation in few hours , our forces pay back with interest ....and warned too.
Yesterday, watching some tv show, don't remember where a senior govt official said, IK said we have to strike back India. That was decision of IK.
Modi attack on Pakistan was gift of foreign policy, now whole world seriously recognize the Kashmir issue. Suggesting Kashmir issue need to be resolved.

 

[BATMAN]

Modi won in India, but Pakistan every where outside India. May be we were taking this stand off very little skirmish . But US and Indian allies were watching Indian very deeply and they totally disappointed due to Indian performance. And now again they realize that Pakistan is not weak but emerge very strong battle hardened with pride. In West non of paper wrote anything negative about Pakistan during this standoff. But, they give full coverage of Pakistani strike, air force, pilot return and wreckage of Indian planes.

o bhai... all what you state is because of Pak armed forces /PAF, how they conducted their operations. What shall we credit to political leadership ?
Political leadership handed over captive in night time, without inviting international press!
On Indian side, Indians only know their leadership giving dead line to Imran Khan!
UN was totally kept out of the fact that Indian initiated war and crossed border in violation of UN conventions.