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And India will suffer the most like in the past? Hmmm...

I like the clarity of thought across the border :tup:

The point was that all these Afghan agreements being flaunted won't be worth the paper they are printed on.

As for winning or losing, everybody loses when Afghanistan descends into civil war. There are no winners.
 
Never mind the fact that this motley assortment of drug lords, war lords and general criminals running the show in Afghanistan will drag the country back into civil war as soon as NATO's fist relaxes.
Exactly! But then what's gonna happen to that so called 'Strategic Depth' that the PA so badly wants by installing a pliable government in Afghanistan (Omar/Haqqani)? That's not going to happen as this cauldron will be a veritable mix of:

Russia
Iran
Pakistan
China
India
US of A
Saudi Arabia
Northern Alliance
Afghan Warlords

So now, with so many conflicting interests out there, where would Pakistan be? Just a bit player. And bit layers don't don't make rules! :azn:
 
Exactly! But then what's gonna happen to that so called 'Strategic Depth' that the PA so badly wants by installing a pliable government in Afghanistan (Omar/Haqqani)? That's not going to happen as this cauldron will be a veritable mix of:

Russia
Iran
Pakistan
China
India
US of A
Saudi Arabia
Northern Alliance
Afghan Warlords

So now, with so many conflicting interests out there, where would Pakistan be? Just a bit player. And bit layers don't don't make rules! :azn:

Good analysis ,

9/11 has forever changed the role pakistan would play in future in Afghanistan ,,,, whole different ballgame to what it played since late 1980s up until 2001
 
Is he the same Karzai who told he would support pakistan if any one attacks pak .Oh now its clear that karzai was addressing US not India .
 
No disrespect because Pakistan is facilitating the peace talks ;) your knowledge on Afghan matter is pathetic.

Anyway, I was following the DAWN news, the analyst was saying Pakistan took bad decision in boycotting the conference. It seems Americans are more stubborn this time, they are not even ready to apologize which shows Pakistan is going to loose more. It seems Pakistan is deciding things based on emotions and not on true strategy.

Americans are giving indications that Americans are not going to abandon Afghanistan even they withdraw completely in 2014. Their money will keep on flowing in Afghanistan to keep it stable.
 
What is this, Pakistan's self fulfilling prophecy?

This takes me back to my first post, for most pakistanis this game is an end in itself. How irrational is this whole business!!!

This is a candid assessment by American and German military analysts. The kind of reality check that doesn't look good in press releases proclaiming "Mission accomplished". But you guys go right ahead and keep signing "agreements" with the mayor of Kabul.

Exactly! But then what's gonna happen to that so called 'Strategic Depth' that the PA so badly wants by installing a pliable government in Afghanistan (Omar/Haqqani)? That's not going to happen as this cauldron will be a veritable mix of:

Russia
Iran
Pakistan
China
India
US of A
Saudi Arabia
Northern Alliance
Afghan Warlords

So now, with so many conflicting interests out there, where would Pakistan be? Just a bit player. And bit layers don't don't make rules! :azn:

How Pakistan handles the situation will be revealed in due time. What is almost certain, however, is that all these "agreements" with the major of Kabul are not going to be worth the paper they are printed on.

The Americans are pushing this myth of a stable Afghanistan and, like a sucker, India is playing into the hype.

Here's another reality check for gullible Indians, although I doubt it will get much play in this self-congratulatory melee here.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/144567-analyzing-washingtons-mistake.html
 
Pakistan is only part of the solution in Afghanistan because THEY ARE THE CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM in Afghanistan.

You wonder why there is genuine, grass roots support for India in Afghanistan? Ask any Afghan if they, or anyone they know has ever been harmed at the hands of India, you will never get a "yes" to this question. Ask the same regarding Pakistan, and you will see why ~85% of ANA recruits put "to fight Pakistan" as their reason for joining the ANA.


Of course you (Pakistanis) will try to (feebly) argue this away by saying the Afghani GOVT is a "puppet" one. Sure do that, but have a look at yourself for once.
 
Instead of resorting to catchy one-liners that increase your thank count, may you could explain what value India has in this conference, & in the end-game in Afghanistan?

Every one including India wants a stable ,forward looking Afghanistan apart from Pakistan which wants to keep it as its backyard . India would improve infrastructure-build roads,dams,bridges , help them understand administer better-train their bureaucratic system,help them to hold elections, train their police , army etc ... help their mining industry and build chahbahar port from where they can have alternate export route .... this is how constructively India sees its role in Afghan , not a military dominance or presence like others have tried and failed in the past !
 
Every one including India wants a stable ,forward looking Afghanistan apart from Pakistan which wants to keep it as its backyard . India would improve infrastructure-build roads,dams,bridges , help them understand administer better-train their bureaucratic system,help them to hold elections, train their police , army etc ... help their mining industry and build chahbahar port from where they can have alternate export route .... this is how constructively India sees its role in Afghan , not a military dominance or presence like others have tried and failed in the past !

Yes, so essentially you are saying that India will be able to do everything that the US & all the NATO nations combined could not do in Afghanistan. India will be able to provide Afghanistan more money than what the US has been providing to Afghanistan, as well as do on a security front what the US & all the NATO nations combined together have not been able to do in Afghanistan.
 
Yes, so essentially you are saying that India will be able to do everything that the US & all the NATO nations combined could not do in Afghanistan. India will be able to provide Afghanistan more money than what the US has been providing to Afghanistan, as well as do on a security front what the US & all the NATO nations combined together have not been able to do in Afghanistan.

Your inferences are a mirror to the state of your mind. Come out of hate India, hate Indian mindset. Afghanistan is keen to build a strong nation from what is left. It needs all the help one can give and in India they find a like minded partner who is willing to help and Indian interests perfectly match to their own. Is this not sufficient for a partnership to work ?
 
Your inferences are a mirror to the state of your mind. Come out of hate India, hate Indian mindset. Afghanistan is keen to build a strong nation from what is left. It needs all the help one can give and in India they find a like minded partner who is willing to help and Indian interests perfectly match to their own. Is this not sufficient for a partnership to work ?

What is my hate India mentality? Can India do any better than the things I have mentioned above in my post? It is a hard look at the events that have transpired in Afghanistan. Even secret US military cables have said that Afghanistan will go into a civil war when Western troops start withdrawing:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...when-western-troops-fall-out.html#post2353244

No need to make personal attacks against me, can you just answer my post. What can India do better than what has already been done in Afghanistan by the US & NATO Forces combined together?
 
Yes, so essentially you are saying that India will be able to do everything that the US & all the NATO nations combined could not do in Afghanistan. India will be able to provide Afghanistan more money than what the US has been providing to Afghanistan, as well as do on a security front what the US & all the NATO nations combined together have not been able to do in Afghanistan.

Americas goals in Afghanistan is different than Indias goal in Afghanistan
USAs goal was neutralizing taliban which they have successfully done to an extent , Indias goal is stable friendly Afghanistan...

US would not even have worried whats happening in Afghanistan until 9/11 happened and Taliban refused to hand over OBL ... the rest is history ... bottom line is USA wanted to eliminate taliban from Afghan ,which essentially meant a military aggressive position ... and more over many Afghans see USA/NATO as occupying force but no such worries for India .More money is not what Afghanistan needs , basic needs like food , shelter, roads and electricity .. India surely can help them with that ... India hgas sent lot of wheat , clothing too in the past and these kind of gestures have won over Afghan peoples goodwill for India
 
Instead of resorting to catchy one-liners that increase your thank count, may you could explain what value India has in this conference, & in the end-game in Afghanistan?

That one line is enough for those who really try to understand what I meant rather than BS-ing everywhere! You should stay calm for a couple of days more and the announcements will come out of this conference which will define the values of India and Pakistan in Afghanistan.
 
That one line is enough for those who really try to understand what I meant rather than BS-ing everywhere! You should stay calm for a couple of days more and the announcements will come out of this conference define the values of India and Pakistan in Afghanistan.

You have quite clearly avoided the questions I posed on my post, bravo.

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Americas goals in Afghanistan is different than Indias goal in Afghanistan
USAs goal was neutralizing taliban which they have successfully done to an extent , Indias goal is stable friendly Afghanistan...

Yet, the Taliban effectively control more than half the country.

bottom line is USA wanted to eliminate taliban from Afghan ,which essentially meant a military aggressive position ... and more over many Afghans see USA/NATO as occupying force but no such worries for India .

India is just as foreign to Afghanistan as the US is. Today's Afghanistan has no cultural, lingual or ethnic links with anyone in India.

More money is not what Afghanistan needs , basic needs like food , shelter, roads and electricity ..

And you need money for all these things.

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Afghanistan will fall into civil war once the Western troops leave, & India will use Afghanistan & Afghan proxies for geostrategic influence, & will fail again, just as their NA proxies in the 90s failed.
 

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