Discussion: Quranism, Quranists. Share your views

[LeGenD]

What is Quranism?

Holy Quran = divine revelation and the primary source of guidance for Muslims or Believers. This distinction is important for being a Muslim.

Hadith is a collection of sayings attributed to the Holy Prophet (PBUH) by Sahabah. Hadith provide additional guidance to Muslims or Believers but there was a controversy about so many sayings attributed to the Holy Prophet (PBUH) that Islamic scholars had to scrutinize this practice and distinguish a collection of hadith as Sahih from others, but some still claim that some of the Sahih hadith are not Sahih. Human subjectivity / error / mischief is to blame for this problem.

Hadith are best considered as the secondary source of guidance for Muslims or Believers. This distinction is important to separate truly divine revelations from the others.

Problems arise when hadith are given priority over the Holy Quran to shape belief and for politics. Non-state actors are known to do this.

 

[Areesh]

Quranists are a deviant group. Simple

There is nothing more to say about these people

 

[StormBreaker]

What is Quranism?

Holy Quran = divine revelation and the primary source of guidance for Muslims or Believers. This distinction is important for being a Muslim.

Hadith is a collection of sayings attributed to the Holy Prophet (PBUH) by Sahabah. Hadith provide additional guidance to Muslims or Believers but there was a controversy about so many sayings attributed to the Holy Prophet (PBUH) that Islamic scholars had to scrutinize this practice and distinguish a collection of hadith as Sahih from others, but some still claim that some of the Sahih hadith are not Sahih. Human subjectivity / error / mischief is to blame for this problem.

Hadith are best considered as the secondary source of guidance for Muslims or Believers. This distinction is important to separate truly divine revelations from the others.

Problems arise when hadith are given priority over the Holy Quran to shape belief and for politics. Non-state actors are known to do this.

That’s the issue !

Most of the sects give ahadith more priority over Quran.

Inki misal aisi hai ke Nauzu Billah, Allah Quran kaamil utarna bhool gaye the isliye 200 saal baad Imam Bukhari aur baqi deegar Imamon ke zariye nai kitabein banwain.

Like this doesn’t even make any sense.

Ahadith should never be rejected, But they shouldn’t be given an importance to such degree that Quranic translations and interpretations become dependent on these so called attributed sayings.

Quranists are a deviant group. Simple

There is nothing more to say about these people

Mazay ki baat, Quranists aren’t a group, There’s no uniformity among them.

Why ? Because no one bothers to focus on Quran oriented Islam coz mullahs have invented their own fiqh using the cursed science of derivations

 

[Mentee]

Quran and hadith are the primary sources of islam. They work in collaboration and cannot be separated from each other.
The teachings of hadiths donot contradict the teachings of Quran. Teachings are same in both sources and hadith sometimes provide guidance that is not provided in Quran for some matters.
For example, the matter of lashes on the drunk.
Quranists who claim that Quran alone is enough for our guidance are actually committing a huge sin by doubting on Allah’s authority of protecting The true essence of islamic teachings.
It means that whole ummah is misguided ? Did God not preserve for us the finest teachings and let us be misguided,? No! This is not possible.

Quran is The only primary source and validates the traditional hadees if the need arise not otherwise -------.


These are God's revelations that We recite to you with truth, so in which hadith other than God and His revelations do they believe? 45:6



We did not leave anything out of the Book. 6:38



Shall I seek other than God as a lawmaker when it is He who has brought down to you the Book fully detailed? 6:114



The Word of your Lord has been completed, in truth and justice. None can change His words. He is the Hearer, the Knowledgeable. 6:115



This is not a fabricated hadith, but an authentication of what came before it, a detailed account of all things, and guidance and mercy for people who believe. 12:111



We brought the Book down to you providing explanations for all things, guidance, mercy, and good news for the Submitters. 16:89



We have diversified in this Quran all kinds of examples for the people, yet the human being is, more than anything, argumentative. 18:54



Or do you have some book in which you are studying? Do you have in it whatever you choose? 68:37-38

 

[Mentee]

Quranists are ignorant people.

You cannot completely understand Islam without the Sunnah or Hadith.

They aren't the one putting al'laaaaaaat's/diana's symbol atop the masjids ------.

 

[StormBreaker]

They aren't the one putting al'laaaaaaat's/diana's symbol atop the masjids ------.

You have me a something to research. Thanks

 

[Mentee]

You have me a something to research. Thanks

Brother , the Arab ---- pagan sabotage is more severe than we can imagine -------. You can p.m me to get some kinda drift of it -----.

 

[StormBreaker]

Brother , the Arab ---- pagan sabotage is more severe than we can imagine -------. You can p.m me to get some kinda drift of it -----.

I can truly understand the thought behind your sentence and this is exactly what led me to get deep into all this especially mythology originating from Middle east and in the end, All cultures, pagan religions get connected, All having their counterparts with each other culture.

I don’t know how to initiate a DM, Could you?

BTW, In the previous message ‘gave’ autocorrected to ‘have’.

This is exactly why I had to flush a lot of nonsense I have learned throughout my life and get back to the real deal which is Quran, The only word of God. Doesn’t necessarily make me a hadith rejector but in my case, I just absorb the goods from ahadith ‘IF’ I find them logically reasonable but I have decided to not follow this Mullah crafted fiqh coz this isn’t divine at all. Quran is the Hadith, It is the Fiqh, It is the Everything about Islam.

Why ahadith are not reliable even if it is so called ‘Sahih’ ? Too many historical inaccuracies, A lot of ancient mythologies and Village methods have been incorporated in them and wrongfully attributed to our Prophet.

People who became muslims (Sahabas) spent a whole lifetime as something totally different, as a jew or a pagan idolworshipper or a Christian etc. Once they became muslim, It wasn’t easy for them to let go of 100% of what they learnt but they got their worship, God and a lot of lifestyle rectified through the Prophet. That doesn’t necessarily wipe out their older ideas about history, Local traditions, Arabian tales and other things that eventually landed up in ahadith and have no basis in the Quran.

And ajkal ke mullah are still propagating those things. Kuch boldo to fauran murtad murtad bolne lag jatay hain ye extremists.

This is what Muslims should understand. Quran is above all. Everything else is just historical narration be it ahadith. Prophet forbade sahabas to document the sunnah. Why? Because In Islam, Quran is the centre of everything, Prophet was just the means of getting it to people. Prophet never wanted people to follow each and everything of his lifestyle (evident from a lot of stories) unless something is divine revelation. Yahan to Quran kabhi khol ke para nai, Bas ‘Sallu alal habib’ ya Madina mein chappal utar kar chalna aata hai inlogon ko.

This Mufti Abdul Baqi who is now the Top Mufti of Binori Town KHI, which was previously headed by deceased Mufti Naeem (2021), Once went to Muhammad Sheikh (A Famous Quranist), Bari aasteen charakar gaye the ye sahab. Muhammad sheikh ne moo band kardia 2:30 hours daba kar debate ki.

End mein Mufti ne boldia, Humne Quran par itni research nai ki. This dars e nizami is corrupting a lot of people.

 

[Mentee]

I can truly understand the thought behind your sentence and this is exactly what led me to get deep into all this especially mythology originating from Middle east and in the end, All cultures, pagan religions get connected, All having their counterparts with each other culture.

I don’t know how to initiate a DM, Could you?

BTW, In the previous message ‘gave’ autocorrected to ‘have’.

This is exactly why I had to flush a lot of nonsense I have learned throughout my life and get back to the real deal which is Quran, The only word of God. Doesn’t necessarily make me a hadith rejector but in my case, I just absorb the goods from ahadith ‘IF’ I find them logically reasonable but I have decided to not follow this Mullah crafted fiqh coz this isn’t divine at all. Quran is the Hadith, It is the Fiqh, It is the Everything about Islam.

Why ahadith are not reliable even if it is so called ‘Sahih’ ? Too many historical inaccuracies, A lot of ancient mythologies and Village methods have been incorporated in them and wrongfully attributed to our Prophet.

People who became muslims (Sahabas) spent a whole lifetime as something totally different, as a jew or a pagan idolworshipper or a Christian etc. Once they became muslim, It wasn’t easy for them to let go of 100% of what they learnt but they got their worship, God and a lot of lifestyle rectified through the Prophet. That doesn’t necessarily wipe out their older ideas about history, Local traditions, Arabian tales and other things that eventually landed up in ahadith and have no basis in the Quran.

And ajkal ke mullah are still propagating those things. Kuch boldo to fauran murtad murtad bolne lag jatay hain ye extremists.

This is what Muslims should understand. Quran is above all. Everything else is just historical narration be it ahadith. Prophet forbade sahabas to document the sunnah. Why? Because In Islam, Quran is the centre of everything, Prophet was just the means of getting it to people. Prophet never wanted people to follow each and everything of his lifestyle (evident from a lot of stories) unless something is divine revelation. Yahan to Quran kabhi khol ke para nai, Bas ‘Sallu alal habib’ ya Madina mein chappal utar kar chalna aata hai inlogon ko.

This Mufti Abdul Baqi who is now the Top Mufti of Binori Town KHI, which was previously headed by deceased Mufti Naeem (2021), Once went to Muhammad Sheikh (A Famous Quranist), Bari aasteen charakar gaye the ye sahab. Muhammad sheikh ne moo band kardia 2:30 hours daba kar debate ki.

End mein Mufti ne boldia, Humne Quran par itni research nai ki. This dars e nizami is corrupting a lot of people.

our sheer ignorance and arrogance is getting the "best' outta this umah . I see no practical difference when I look at a Hindu , Jew Christian or Muslim ------- all have been robbed off of their scriptural essence respectively . However majority Muslims are doing things unintentionally, some are just obstinate fools and some by their own will ,but that still ain't no excuse to sedate the collective brain of this nation ------.

 

[hussain0316]

However, I don't believe in any sects nor associate myself with any, and don't like to be called Quranist or any name except Muslim. Sectarianism or associating oneself with any sect is akin to shirk, which is unforgivable.


Mr. Ghulam Ahmed Mirza once said that

You say

don't believe in any sects nor associate myself with any

and then quote a non-muslim cult leader. Nice contradiction.

Mr. Ghulam Ahmed Mirza once said that "Ahadess wo pitara hy jiss may sy jo chaho nikal lo" >>>>>> roughly translated to "Traditions is that bucket which can provide you basis and reason for anything you want to propagate" and well he did use that pitara to further his thing.

btw you forgot to add Qadiani after his name.

 

[Mentee]

You say


and then quote a non-muslim cult leader. Nice contradiction.

btw you forgot to add Qadiani after his name.

Brother you know that's a hanafi thing ------- not implying that Mr Abu Hanifa told to do so , people just come up with weird things -------.

 

[StormBreaker]

Brother you know that's a hanafi thing ------- not implying that Mr Abu Hanifa told to do so , people just come up with weird things -------.

What’s a hanafi thing?

 

[Bengal71]

I am not a quranist but I understand why say some of these things. Many ahadith may be corrupted because of political motivation, tribalism, nationalism etc. I don't accept two times prayer as they say though, it's just too risky. I hope to be saved in akhirah, I won't take any risk.

 

[StormBreaker]

I am not a quranist but I understand why say some of these things. Many ahadith may be corrupted because of political motivation, tribalism, nationalism etc. I don't accept two times prayer as they say though, it's just too risky. I hope to be saved in akhirah, I won't take any risk.

Who says 2 time prayers?

I am not a quranist but I understand why say some of these things. Many ahadith may be corrupted because of political motivation, tribalism, nationalism etc. I don't accept two times prayer as they say though, it's just too risky. I hope to be saved in akhirah, I won't take any risk.

BTW, Isn’t Quranist Mindset quite trending in BD these days?

 

[Bengal71]

Who says 2 time prayers?


BTW, Isn’t Quranist Mindset quite trending in BD these days?

Qurnists say 2 times prayer or 3 times, I read about them a while back, so don't remember.

No, it's not trending in BD, it's not trending anywhere in the world as far as I know.