Did Saudis warn us about Israeli Jets in 1998 ?

[Hyperion]

They are one of the same in my books -- and I knew what you were referring to!

I was referring to this Khota.

 

[shaheenmissile]

Iran was an Israeli Ally at the time. Their jets had attacked the Iraqi Reactors Prior to Israeli attack.
About Pakistan. Pakistan went on High alert after operation operah and it had nothing to do with saidi arabia.

 

[The SC]

It doesnt seems logical, if Israeli planes stationed in India to conduct a surgical strike, then how the hell Saudis know about it. There is nothing in between India and Pak.

How did they fly to India to be stationned there?

Mr,
No it was not..No Israeli jets were in India, and that too not for attacking Pakistan..
I was there for 20+ years around Airforce stations and among Airforce officers..
Never heard such Bizarre claim..Unless you can quote some valid claim or photo's of Israeli strike groups in India back then, your Crap is not acceptable..
We were all waiting for a chance to conduct raids sitting in Adampur polishing our Arses inside our Fulcrums, unfortunately it never happened..But we never let anybody use our Airbase or even airspace for waging war on another nation be it friend or enemy...That has been our policy right from day 1..

When it is a top secret mission, only the high command will know about it, not a pilot sir.

 

[The SC]

Iran was an Israeli Ally at the time. Their jets had attacked the Iraqi Reactors Prior to Israeli attack.
About Pakistan. Pakistan went on High alert after operation operah and it had nothing to do with saidi arabia.

Iran attacked the Iraqi nuclear complex and did not aim for the core reactor, unlike Usrael. And the reasons were very different ; Iran was in an open war with Iraq, Usrael was not. besides that, since the revolution in Iran, they were no ties between Iran and Usrael, only the "Contra affair" where the US wanted to hide its hypocrisy towards Iraq by using the Guatemalan rebels and its proxy in the middle east Usrael. The aim was obviously to make Iran look bad in the Arab world by depicting it as having ties with Usrael, the weapons were of no significance and the real aim was to arm both Iran and Iraq to prolong the war between two oil rich nation, so the price of oil will be low for the West.
You shouldn't fall easily for these divide and conquer schemes.
OT:
There is abook about this story:
According to ‘The Asian Age’, journalists Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark stated in their book ‘Deception: Pakistan, the US and the Global Weapons Conspiracy’, that Israeli Air Force was to launch an air attack on Kahuta in mid-1980s from Jamnagar airfield in Gujarat (India). The book claims that “in March 1984, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi signed off (on) the Israeli-led operation bringing India, Pakistan and Israel to within a hair’s breadth of a nuclear conflagration”.
Another report claims that Israel also planned an air strike directly out of Israel. After midway and midair refueling, Israeli warplanes planned to shoot down a commercial airline’s flight over Indian Ocean that flew into Islamabad early morning, fly in a tight formation to appear as one large aircraft on radar screens preventing detection, use the drowned airliner’s call sign to enter Islamabad’s air space, knock out Kahuta and fly out to Jammu to refuel and exit.
According to reliable reports in mid-1980s this mission was actually launched one night. But the Israelis were in for a big surprise. They discovered that Pakistan Air Force had already sounded an alert and had taken to the skies in anticipation of this attack. The mission had to be hurriedly aborted.
Pakistan reminded the Israelis that Pakistan was no Iraq and that PAF was no Iraqi Air Force. Pakistan is reported to have conveyed that an attack on Kahuta would force Pakistan to lay waste to Dimona, Israel’s nuclear reactor in the Negev Desert. India was also warned that Islamabad would attack Trombay if Kahuta facilities were hit.

The above quoted book claims that “Prime Minister Indira Gandhi eventually aborted the operation despite protests from military planners in New Delhi and Jerusalem.”

McNair’s paper #41 published by USAF Air University (India Thwarts Israeli Destruction of Pakistan's "Islamic Bomb") also confirmed this plan. It said, “Israeli interest in destroying Pakistan’s Kahuta reactor to scuttle the "Islamic bomb" was blocked by India's refusal to grant landing and refueling rights to Israeli warplanes in 1982.” Clearly India wanted to see Kahuta gone but did not want to face retaliation at the hands of the PAF. Israel, on its part wanted this to be a joint Indo-Israeli strike to avoid being solely held responsible.

The Reagan administration also hesitated to support the plan because Pakistan’s distraction at that juncture would have hurt American interests in Afghanistan, when Pakistan was steering the Afghan resistance against the Soviets.

Although plans to hit Kahuta were shelved, the diatribe against Pakistan’s nuclear programme continued unabated. Israel used its control over the American political establishment and western media to create hysteria. India worked extensively to promote paranoia, branding Pakistan’s programme as unsafe, insecure and a threat to peace. The fact is otherwise. It is technically sounder, safer and more secure than that of India and has ensured absence of war in the region.

The US invasion of Afghanistan provided another opening for Indo-Israeli nexus to target Pakistan’s strategic assets. This time the strategy was to present Pakistan as an unstable state, incapable of defending itself against religious extremist insurgents, creating the spectre of Islamabad and its nuclear assets falling in their hands. Suggestions are being floated that Pakistan being at risk of succumbing to extremists, its nuclear assets should be disabled, seized or forcibly taken out by the US. Alternatively, an international agency should take them over for safe keeping.

Pakistan has determinedly thwarted the terrorist threat and foiled this grand conspiracy. Pakistan has made it clear that it would act decisively against any attempt by any quarter to harm its nuclear assets. But if the game is taken to the next level, the consequences would be disastrous for the region.

The Indo-Israeli nexus is losing initiative. But as long as the American umbrella is available Afghanistan will remain a playground for mischief mongers. It is now up to the US to walk its talk and prove its claim that it wants to see a secure and stable Pakistan. It must pull the plug on conspiracies to destabilize Pakistan.

 

[patriotpakistan]

Iran attacked the Iraqi nuclear complex and did not aim for the core reactor, unlike Usrael. And the reasons were very different ; Iran was in an open war with Iraq, Usrael was not. besides that, since the revolution in Iran, they were no ties between Iran and Usrael, only the "Contra affair" where the US wanted to hide its hypocrisy towards Iraq by using the Guatemalan rebels and its proxy in the middle east Usrael. The aim was obviously to make Iran look bad in the Arab world by depicting it as having ties with Usrael, the weapons were of no significance and the real aim was to arm both Iran and Iraq to prolong the war between two oil rich nation, so the price of oil will be low for the West.
You shouldn't fall easily for these divide and conquer schemes.
OT:
There is abook about this story:
According to ‘The Asian Age’, journalists Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark stated in their book ‘Deception: Pakistan, the US and the Global Weapons Conspiracy’, that Israeli Air Force was to launch an air attack on Kahuta in mid-1980s from Jamnagar airfield in Gujarat (India). The book claims that “in March 1984, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi signed off (on) the Israeli-led operation bringing India, Pakistan and Israel to within a hair’s breadth of a nuclear conflagration”.
Another report claims that Israel also planned an air strike directly out of Israel. After midway and midair refueling, Israeli warplanes planned to shoot down a commercial airline’s flight over Indian Ocean that flew into Islamabad early morning, fly in a tight formation to appear as one large aircraft on radar screens preventing detection, use the drowned airliner’s call sign to enter Islamabad’s air space, knock out Kahuta and fly out to Jammu to refuel and exit.
According to reliable reports in mid-1980s this mission was actually launched one night. But the Israelis were in for a big surprise. They discovered that Pakistan Air Force had already sounded an alert and had taken to the skies in anticipation of this attack. The mission had to be hurriedly aborted.
Pakistan reminded the Israelis that Pakistan was no Iraq and that PAF was no Iraqi Air Force. Pakistan is reported to have conveyed that an attack on Kahuta would force Pakistan to lay waste to Dimona, Israel’s nuclear reactor in the Negev Desert. India was also warned that Islamabad would attack Trombay if Kahuta facilities were hit.

The above quoted book claims that “Prime Minister Indira Gandhi eventually aborted the operation despite protests from military planners in New Delhi and Jerusalem.”

McNair’s paper #41 published by USAF Air University (India Thwarts Israeli Destruction of Pakistan's "Islamic Bomb") also confirmed this plan. It said, “Israeli interest in destroying Pakistan’s Kahuta reactor to scuttle the "Islamic bomb" was blocked by India's refusal to grant landing and refueling rights to Israeli warplanes in 1982.” Clearly India wanted to see Kahuta gone but did not want to face retaliation at the hands of the PAF. Israel, on its part wanted this to be a joint Indo-Israeli strike to avoid being solely held responsible.

The Reagan administration also hesitated to support the plan because Pakistan’s distraction at that juncture would have hurt American interests in Afghanistan, when Pakistan was steering the Afghan resistance against the Soviets.

Although plans to hit Kahuta were shelved, the diatribe against Pakistan’s nuclear programme continued unabated. Israel used its control over the American political establishment and western media to create hysteria. India worked extensively to promote paranoia, branding Pakistan’s programme as unsafe, insecure and a threat to peace. The fact is otherwise. It is technically sounder, safer and more secure than that of India and has ensured absence of war in the region.

The US invasion of Afghanistan provided another opening for Indo-Israeli nexus to target Pakistan’s strategic assets. This time the strategy was to present Pakistan as an unstable state, incapable of defending itself against religious extremist insurgents, creating the spectre of Islamabad and its nuclear assets falling in their hands. Suggestions are being floated that Pakistan being at risk of succumbing to extremists, its nuclear assets should be disabled, seized or forcibly taken out by the US. Alternatively, an international agency should take them over for safe keeping.

Pakistan has determinedly thwarted the terrorist threat and foiled this grand conspiracy. Pakistan has made it clear that it would act decisively against any attempt by any quarter to harm its nuclear assets. But if the game is taken to the next level, the consequences would be disastrous for the region.

The Indo-Israeli nexus is losing initiative. But as long as the American umbrella is available Afghanistan will remain a playground for mischief mongers. It is now up to the US to walk its talk and prove its claim that it wants to see a secure and stable Pakistan. It must pull the plug on conspiracies to destabilize Pakistan.

I can confirm this. I have a link to the original McNair Paper that mentions this:

This is the link:

McNair Paper Number 41, Radical Responses to Radical Regimes: Evaluating Preemptive Counter-Proliferation, May 1995

India Thwarts Israeli Destruction of Pakistan's "Islamic Bomb"

There is some evidence that Iraq was not the only nuclear peril to Israel that Begin saw in the early 1980s. Nor was the Osirak reactor in Iraq his only intended target. He also feared the Pakistani nuclear effort because Israeli intelligence had found evidence that Libya and other Moslem states were helping Pakistan, supplying both money and uranium to their effort. (Note 52) Pakistan's leader, Bhutto, was therefore under some obligation to share the nuclear fruits of Pakistan's bomb effort with other Moslem states such as Libya.
According to an Indian official, Subramaniam Swamy, a former Janata Party member, Israel in 1982 asked him to sound out other Indian leaders to see if India would grant Israeli warplanes landing and refueling rights were they to undertake an Osirak-type raid against the Kahuta nuclear reactor in Pakistan. (Note 53) India refused, probably for a combination of reasons. As one expert on South Asia speculated:
"First, the Kahuta facility is well-protected and is thus a hard target to destroy. Second and more important, India expects that any first strike by India against Kahuta would be swiftly followed by a Pakistani attack against India's nuclear facilities. Such an exchange would leave India worse off, since any potential deterrent capability against China would thereby be eliminated. Finally, India would be wary of launching such an attack against Pakistan as it would cause not only great death and destruction to Pakistan, but could blow radioactive fall-out back over India. Such an attack against Pakistan would also alienate the Muslim Middle Eastern states whose amity India has assiduously cultivated." (Note 54)
In 1991, India and Pakistan signed a treaty pledging that neither would preemptively attack the nuclear facilities of the other.

@Aeronaut @Luftwaffe @Manticore @Stealth @Oscar @Chak Bamu

 

[Cheetah786]

Iran was an Israeli Ally at the time. Their jets had attacked the Iraqi Reactors Prior to Israeli attack.
About Pakistan. Pakistan went on High alert after operation operah and it had nothing to do with saidi arabia.

@Hyperion talking about your khuta books did u lose one I found him.

 

[Kompromat]

No its mentioned in the book "Eating grass" and in memoirs of Munir Ahmad khan.

Answering trolls = feeding trolls.

Nothing hurts them more than seeing their silly bait not work.

 

[Zarvan]

Answering trolls = feeding trolls.

Nothing hurts them more than seeing their silly bait not work.

@Aeronaut Although I started this thread but why the hell its still running for GOD sake close it man

 

[Aadi_1591]

Dude its not possible for Israeli air force to fly from that far without Tankers in the air and at that time Israel didn't have any.. now the theory about India allowing Israeli airforce to attack pakistan from india is insane... we never allowed anyone for our lands to be used, And Pakistan and India had a Agreement that souldn't attack each others Nuclear facilities. Even allowing Israel to launch strike on Pak is going to invite our countries into war.....

Its all just made up stories.[/QUOT the agreement youre talking about was signed in 1991.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Btw there is a reason PAF has it’s on and off presence on Jordanian Airbases.

 

[Trango Towers]

The news itself is crap as they can't fly directly without other's help and landing and refuel somewhere.

You guys might misunderstood SAF F-16s in India as IaSF F-16s.

Ever hear of aerial refuelling

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Saudia Arabia. A country practically owned by USA, which in turn is practically hostage to Zionist Jewish lobby who in turn are the force behind Israel. And you expect me to believe Saudia warned Pakistan. Get fcukin real !

That is like a tail on a dog warning you the mouth of the dog is about to bite you .....

 

[gangsta_rap]

Saudia Arabia. A country practically owned by USA, which in turn is practically hostage to Zionist Jewish lobby who in turn are the force behind Israel. And you expect me to believe Saudia warned Pakistan. Get fcukin real !

That is like a tail on a dog warning you the mouth of the dog is about to bite you .....