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This radicalization goes back to your mismanagement. The UAE, Kuwait, Jordan, and many others are all much closer and share the same language with us. They are far more likely than you to be radicalized by us. None of them complain as loud as you Pakistanis. Why? B/C they simply have functioning states with the minimum needed law enforcement. Pakistan doesn't. Plain and simple. Yet, not as simple as conveniently blaming others for your terrible management as you and many of you guys do.

So leave it to us to sort our mess. If needed help prove a constructive partner.

Why lose a partner by exploiting sectarianism on the mass media?

Trust me it won't take much to bend public opinion against your favor if the Saudis try insert Kulbashan Yadev here.

So respect our neutrality and don't involve us in this political game in middle east.

 
This radicalization goes back to your mismanagement. The UAE, Kuwait, Jordan, and many others are all much closer and share the same language with us. They are far more likely than you to be radicalized by us. None of them complain as loud as you Pakistanis. Why? B/C they simply have functioning states with the minimum needed law enforcement. Pakistan doesn't. Plain and simple. Yet, not as simple as conveniently blaming others for your terrible management as you and many of you guys do.

Not only that I don't understand what this "terrorism" support is about. Is he talking about the state (KSA) or a tiny minority of private individuals who are and have always been combated inside KSA with the exception of the Afghan-USSR war where Pakistan's policy, that of the West and much of the Muslim world (even the Iranian Mullah's) were not any different but rather aligned?

Afterwards the elements of those that we supported (whether home or abroad) turned radical and the rest is history. I have always said that it was a great mistake for us to involve ourselves in that war far away from our lands and that this war and the political and social ramifications of such policy, hurt KSA tremendously. It is thanks to that era that we have some of the moronic 25-30 year old laws (with no precedent beforehand) and why certain radical clerics were tolerated post this Afghan-USSR war brainwashing a tiny minority but nevertheless a very loud on into committing further acts of "Jihad" abroad. Rest is history again.

Is it now that we must tell him and others that KSA is home to a few million of Shias too and that they have only faced 2 terrorism attacks in 85 years of history? Or that this supposed "terrorism" sponsoring has occurred across the entire Arab and Muslim world, yet 90% of all nations do not have any complains or have suffered from any terrorism?

When the state clergy in KSA (which is Hanbali which is followed by a minority in KSA which is otherwise one of the most diverse if not the most diverse Muslim nation in terms of madhahib) says that for instance grave worship is discouraged it does not give the listeners a license to kill. So for instance when a rural Punjabi or Pashtun from the tribal areas hear such a statement, and afterwards use violence against some local Husseiniya, it cannot be blamed on KSA but the social fabric of Pakistan and security apparatus. Similar too if terrorist attacks occurred left and right in KSA. Not saying that they do in Pakistan but the point should be clear.

And is the wider international community not accusing Pakistan of the same thing and do its neighbors (Afghanistan, India, Iran etc.) not do the exact same thing?

Once again I don't know what the regimes in power and their power games imply fully (none of us do outside of them) but I do know that such kind of mudslinging makes little sense.
 
Not only that I don't understand what this "terrorism" support is about. Is he talking about the state (KSA) or a tiny minority of private individuals who are and have always been combated inside KSA with the exception of the Afghan-USSR war where Pakistan's policy, that of the West and much of the Muslim world (even the Iranian Mullah's) were not any different?

Is it now that we must tell him and others that KSA is home to a few million of Shias too and that they have only faced 2 terrorism attacks in 85 years of history? Or that this supposed "terrorism" sponsoring has occurred across the entire Arab and Muslim world, yet 90% of all nations do not have any complains or have suffered from any terrorism?

When the state clergy in KSA (which is Hanbali which is followed by a minority in KSA which is otherwise one of the most diverse if not the most diverse Muslim nation in terms of madhahib) says that for instance grave worship is discouraged it does not give the listeners a license to kill. So for instance when a rural Punjabi or Pashtun for the tribal elders hear such a statement, and afterwards use violence against some local Husseiniya, it cannot be blamed on KSA but the social fabric of Pakistan and security apparatus. Similar to if terrorist attacks occurred left and right in KSA. Not saying that they do in Pakistan but the point should be clear.

And is the wider international community not accusing Pakistan of the same thing and do its neighbors (Afghanistan, India, Iran etc.) not do the exact same thing?

Once again I don't know what the regimes in power and their power games imply fully (none of us do outside of them) but I do know that such kind of mudslinging makes little sense.

Yes I can understand your frustration.

That's why Pakistan has never blamed the Saudis for that.

Just like we have never blamed Iran for the other side.

So as a token of trust. Trust our neutrality in this conflict if you can't let us play a constructive role.

 
Yes I can understand your frustration.

That's why Pakistan has never blamed the Saudis for that.

Just like we have never blamed Iran for the other side.

So as a token of trust. Trust our neutrality in this conflict if you can't let us play a constructive role.

I am giving another perspective. A more nuanced one rather than the typical discourse from some elements on this forum that tend to hide their faces in the sand like ostriches when scared (this is actually something that they don't do in reality, lol).

Look, I blame our most radical Mullah's post Afghan-USSR for a lot of bad elements in modern-day KSA. However I blame those uneducated idiots who swallow it raw the most because they are the ones that pull the tricker ultimately. Likewise I don't blame the US for helping start and probably orchestra this Afghan-USSR jihad. I do agree with the struggle of the Afghan nation in that conflict but it should have been done differently. I mean things that were done in that era.

If you notice I have never demanded anything from Pakistan and unlike other foreigners here, I don't expect or want a blind following. What I care about is the people to people relations not that of regimes in power.

Pakistan should follow what is in their own interests. Nobody, at least not me, is expecting any different. Nor would most sane people among us even remotely see that as a sign of hostility.

Many people here and elsewhere (social media in general) misunderstand a lot of things.

BTW my MacBook Pro s running out of power and I can't find my charger.

EDIT: I am not against the concept of Jihad. Don't misunderstand it. What I am against is what this concept led to among a certain, overall small, but incredibly loud minority within not only KSA but the Muslim world. Their offspring, is in large part, the groups that we see today. It's a simple explanation as it would take a lot of time to explain all the nuances but I hope that you will understand. Nor do I support the onslaught of the USSR in Afghanistan. However we could have supported Afghans financially and led private individuals do the fighting if they wanted to without encouraging it publicly for almost 8 years. Later it made no sense to change such an approach when conflicts in Chechnya erupted or more recently in Iraq.
 
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I am giving another perspective. A more nuanced one rather than the typical discourse from some elements on this forum that tend to hide their faces in the sand like ostriches when scared (this is actually something that they don't do in reality, lol).

Look, I blame our most radical Mullah's post Afghan-USSR for a lot of bad elements in modern-day KSA. However I blame those uneducated idiots who swallow it raw the most because they are the ones that pull the tricker ultimately. Likewise I don't blame the US for helping start and probably orchestra this Afghan-USSR jihad. I do agree with the struggle of the Afghan nation in that conflict but it should have been done differently. I mean things that were done in that era.

If you notice I have never demanded anything from Pakistan and unlike other foreigners here, I don't expect or want a blind following. What I care about is the people to people relations not that of regimes in power.

Pakistan should follow what is in their own interests. Nobody, at least not me, is expecting any different. Nor would most sane people among us even remotely see that as a sign of hostility.

Many people here and elsewhere (social media in general) misunderstand a lot of things.

BTW my MacBook Pro s running out of power and I can't find my charger.

EDIT: I am not against the concept of Jihad. Don't misunderstand it. What I am against is what this concept led to among a certain, overall small, but incredibly loud minority within not only KSA but the Muslim world. Their offspring, is in large part, the groups that we see today. It's a simple explanation as it would take a lot of time to explain all the nuances but I hope that you will understand. Nor do I support the onslaught of the USSR in Afghanistan. However we could have supported Afghans financially and led private individuals do the fighting if they wanted to without encouraging it publicly for almost 8 years. Later it made no sense to change such an approach when conflicts in Chechnya erupted or more recently in Iraq.

I read till the part of Pakistan and your awarded respect to her neutrality. The important bit.

The rest well who cares
 
I read till the part of Pakistan and your awarded respect to her neutrality. The important bit.

The rest well who cares

It's your decision what to read and what not to read. Nobody can demand anything of anyone here as long as the rules are followed.

Anyway allow me to elaborate on posts 47 and 49. This is not aimed towards you but just in general.

I have always been against the Al-Assad regime since the very beginning of the Syrian civil war/revolution/conflict (call it what you want to here almost 7 years later).

It is my belief, both Islamic, ethical, moral, logical, political, humanitarian etc. that it is the right of the Syrian people to resist a bloody tyrant like Al-Assad and his regime after the incredibly brutal reactions to peaceful protests across Syria. Saying that Syrian regime soldiers and regime people are legitimate targets (I will consider it as such regardless of any laws in the West, KSA or the Arab world saying the contrary), I agree with and I have no problem with saying that openly.

However from having such a belief to calling for civilians to be killed, relatives, calling for the extermination of certain sects or political groups, there is a very, very long way. Normally such a distinction is what separates what many would consider a legitimate fight from terrorism, exemplified by Daesh for instance.

Similarly private individuals going to Afghanistan in the 1980's to fight a war against a oppressive invader (USSR) for either religious, political, humanitarian or other reasons, are those individuals decisions. However there is a long way from that and for instance what later occurred in Afghanistan among various groups (Northern Alliance, Taliban, Al-Qaeda) or what Abdullah Azzam, OBL, Mullah Omar etc. and his likes pursued afterwards.

So we are back to some Mullah saying that grave worship is discouraged or that he disagrees with Shia Islam (as do 90% of all Muslims for instance) for this and that reason and some villager or uneducated people or educated person with a agenda somewhere in the world, taking 1000 extra steps by killing some childhood Shia friend in the local Husseiniya. Hopefully my point cannot be misunderstood here.

So who do we blame? The Mullah saying that grave worship is bad? The perpetrator? His teachers? His family? His friends? His local Mullah's? The stuff that he has watched on the internet? Personality disorder and other personal problems? Maybe he is just using religion as a excuse for other aims or frustrations? Shall the host country of the Mullah be blamed or the country of that Mullah's origin and the people that he happens to share a nationality with? The security apparatus in country x or y? Rulers for having previously used such people to their advantage against others and for their own benefits?

etc. etc. etc.

As you can see it's not as black and white as I hear so often everywhere.

So we can discuss from today and until the end of times when we must draw the line. Is saying that regime x or y is bad, possibly going to make radicals take actions in their own hands? A homosexual liberal from KSA probably wants to see the end of House of Saud rule. He shares that wish with an ISIS fanatic or MB supporter. However a clear line in the sand must be drawn when the line is crossed and then it does not matter what sect that person belongs to, political group, nationality etc.
 
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It's your decision what to read and what not to read. Nobody can demand anything of anyone here as long as the rules are followed.

Anyway allow me to elaborate on posts 47 and 49. This is not aimed towards you but just in general.

I have always been against the Al-Assad regime since the very beginning of the Syrian civil war/revolution/conflict (call it what you want to hear almost 7 years later).

It is my belief, both Islamic, ethical, moral, logically, politically, humanitarian etc. that it is the right of the Syrian people to resist a bloody tyrant like Al-Assad and his regime after their incredibly brutal reactions to peaceful protest. Saying that Syrian regime soldiers and regime people are legitimate targets (I will consider it as such regardless of any laws in the West, KSA or the Arab world saying the contrary), I agree with and I have no problem with saying that openly.

However from having such a belief to calling for civilians to be killed, relatives, calling for the extermination of certain sects or political groups, there is a very, very long way. Normally such a distinction is what separates what many would call a legitimate fight and terrorism, exemplified by Daesh for instance.

Similarly private individuals going to Afghanistan in the 1980's to fight a war against a oppressive invader (USSR) for either religious, political, humanitarian or other reasons, are those individuals decisions. However there is a long way from that and for instance what later occurred in Afghanistan among various groups (Northern Alliance, Taliban, Al-Qaeda) or what Abdullah Azzam, OBL and his likes pursued afterwards.

Thanks.

On Syria you can do without this humanitarian bit and call it what it is. Strategic depth.

Someone sitting and whining about how his Macbook Pro is failing him and talking about Syrian humanitarian crisis.

Reminds me of a good song ' Cry me a river ' .

That goes for the Iranians and Qatari food supply and taking part in Syria for the mess there as well.

No hard feelings over honesty buddy
 
Thanks.

On Syria you can do without this humanitarian bit and call it what it is. Strategic depth.

Someone sitting and whining about how his Macbook Pro is failing him and talking about Syrian humanitarian crisis.

Reminds me of a good song ' Cry me a river ' .

That goes for the Iranians and Qatari food supply and taking part in Syria for the mess there as well.

No hard feelings over honesty buddy

Actually I can't. I don't need the opinion of my government (regime in power) to form my own opinions. I sincerely hope that this is the case for most people here. For instance I disagreed strongly with a lot of our foreign policy. For instance how "we" dealt with Iraq post 2003 until recently when things have moved for the better, Alhamdulillah.

Yes, I have a tough life in comparison. We all have here.

I always try to be as honest as I can. Sometimes this leads to trouble and bans. However it cannot be any differently. People with strong opinions and convictions can often end in trouble. I am no different.


Qatar, which was evil reincarnated according to 99,9% of all Iranians here and much of the Iranian leadership, has now suddenly become a "brotherly" neighboring state. At least this shows which state that they are really worried about contrary to their statements. That's good to know. As if it was not clear enough already.

The same Al-Jazeera that was evil reincarnated is now "the best Arab media out there". Politics can make strange bedfellows.

Anyway time to pull the stick out for some time.
 
Actually I can't. I don't need the opinion of my government (regime in power) to form my own opinions. I sincerely hope that this is the case for most people here. For instance I disagreed strongly with a lot of our foreign policy. For instance how "we" dealt with Iraq post 2003 until recently when things have moved for the better, Alhamdulillah.

Yes, I have a tough life in comparison. We all have here.

I always try to be as honest as I can. Sometimes this leads to trouble and bans. However it cannot be any differently. People with strong opinions and convictions can often end in trouble. I am no different.



Qatar, which was evil reincarnated according to 99,9% of all Iranians here and much of the Iranian leadership, has now suddenly become a "brotherly" neighboring state. At least this shows which state that they are really worried about contrary to their statements. That's good to know. As if it was not clear enough already.

The same Al-Jazeera that was evil reincarnated is now "the best Arab media out there". Politics can make strange bedfellows.

Anyway time to pull the stick out for some time.

Oh the ' poor ' starving Qataris. I wish all the poor in the world were as poor as the Qataris.

And atleast both Saudis and Iranians are in the end just making sure enough oil remains in the region thanks to Syrian and Yemeni bodies.

Unlike Pakistan neither can afford escalation inside their own homes. The fault lines just too strong and no oil rich nation can survive a civil war. An open secret.
 
Qatar, which was evil reincarnated according to 99,9% of all Iranians here and much of the Iranian leadership, has now suddenly become a "brotherly" neighboring state. At least this shows which state that they are really worried about contrary to their statements. That's good to know. As if it was not clear enough already.

Qatar is and has been boys with toys. They have created a mess because of reckless foreign policy. We said it before and we say it now. Their hasty fantasies has damaged the region.
Wahabism and salafist ideology is the backbone of evil Al Qaeda and ISIS. No matter how much you try to hide it, everyone know which country these ideas come from and with what money they are spread.

The same Al-Jazeera that was evil reincarnated is now "the best Arab media out there". Politics can make strange bedfellows.
If you want to quote me at least do it honestly. I did not said the best arab media, my exact quote is "the most influential news channel in the arab world". I did not say it is good or bad but rather pointed to the obvious fact that it is the most influential.
 

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