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Design Freeze for Hypersonic Brahmos II Missile Nears

^^^ only Russia needs to follow MCTR not us if it is manufactured in Russia it needs to be less than 300km if it is manufactured in India it can be however long it wants to be



Two points...

1) If MTCR to be followed than both Russia and India need to be followed. They cannot share any technology that gives more than 300 km or 500 kg payload. But I think the propulsion system is developed by DRDO, so MTCR restriction will not be a problem.


2) India may become a member of MTCR in coming years.
 
The US is modifying its Trident ll ICBMs for hypersonic use. This gives it a global reach. It is a 65 tom missile with four MIRV warheads capable of being launched from submarines. They are calling it the Prompt Global Strike platform. While we do not need the global strike capabilities of the US, but a 300/600 KM range cruise missile is rather limited in its capabilities for attacking land/shore targets. The launch platform will be unduly exposed. I wish that the knowledge we gain from the development of hypersonic Brahmos can be put to use to modify the Agni II /Agni III so that we have a really long range hypersonic cruise missile in the near future.
 
^ ICBM's travel much faster than hypersonic speeds bro.... 7 km per second or 15,700 mph thats much much faster than hypersonic

and our Agin missiles travel speeds of 5 km per sec which is again faster than hypersonic
 
The US is modifying its Trident ll ICBMs for hypersonic use. This gives it a global reach. It is a 65 tom missile with four MIRV warheads capable of being launched from submarines. They are calling it the Prompt Global Strike platform. While we do not need the global strike capabilities of the US, but a 300/600 KM range cruise missile is rather limited in its capabilities for attacking land/shore targets. The launch platform will be unduly exposed. I wish that the knowledge we gain from the development of hypersonic Brahmos can be put to use to modify the Agni II /Agni III so that we have a really long range hypersonic cruise missile in the near future.

At 300KM range, its a good tactical missile. Brahmos is pretty much a tactical missile design to go after tactical targets such as ships. It should not be compare to the trident III missiles as these are strategic missile designed to take out military or population concentrations half way around the world.
 
^ pretty much ICBM's with nuclear warheads are designed to destroy areas of strategic depth where as tactical weapons are designed to destroy tactical objectives
 
^ pretty much ICBM's with nuclear warheads are designed to destroy areas of strategic depth where as tactical weapons are designed to destroy tactical objectives

This is an important distinction as some people would believe that because of its speed, its capable of doing anything and everything. But Brahmos is not design to go about factories, population center or targets deep in the enemy territory. I believe India has more suitable weapons for these targets.
 
Yes, in the terminal phase when the descent is gravity assisted. To obtain ranges of 1000 KMs and beyond, we need ballistic missiles. Something that goes up into the atmosphere and then comes down. That is why I was advocating modification of our long range cruise missiles.
 
This is an important distinction as some people would believe that because of its speed, its capable of doing anything and everything. But Brahmos is not design to go about factories, population center or targets deep in the enemy territory. I believe India has more suitable weapons for these targets.

yeah 300kg warhead is not enough to deliver a strategic payload (unless it is nuclear with high KT yield) the Brahmos missile is mainly for littoral warfare however if the B2 has higher range it could be used as a tactical land attack weapon like surgical strike
 
An Al Qaeda training camp in eastern Afghanistan, is this a strategic target or is it a tactical target? Well, this is was the target of Tomahawk cruise missiles in August !998. They were fired from a carrier group stationed in the Arabian Sea, 1100 miles away and they did the distance in two hours. By this time Mr Osama Bin Laden had left the premises. This is precisely the kind of target envisaged for the new Trident III Hypersonic missiles which will do the job in a few minutes, maybe less.

Striking population centers is a thought process of the Cold War. Only a mad person thinks of striking population centers anymore.
 
An Al Qaeda training camp in eastern Afghanistan, is this a strategic target or is it a tactical target? Well, this is was the target of Tomahawk cruise missiles in August !998. They were fired from a carrier group stationed in the Arabian Sea, 1100 miles away and they did the distance in two hours. By this time Mr Osama Bin Laden had left the premises. This is precisely the kind of target envisaged for the new Trident III Hypersonic missiles which will do the job in a few minutes, maybe less.

Striking population centers is a thought process of the Cold War. Only a mad person thinks of striking population centers anymore.

depending on the objective and country's target

like the Tomahawk strikes in Afghanistan were strategic strikes for the USA because it destroyed AQ camps in our case destroying terror training camps is a strategic move rather than tactical

tactical weapons are usually for smaller and less strategic targets while strategic weapons are for targets of high value
 
depending on the objective and country's target

like the Tomahawk strikes in Afghanistan were strategic strikes for the USA because it destroyed AQ camps in our case destroying terror training camps is a strategic move rather than tactical

tactical weapons are usually for smaller and less strategic targets while strategic weapons are for targets of high value

Exactly, that is what makes hypersonic cruise missiles like the Brahmos so much suitable for use against high value targets. The terms tactical or strategic are in relation to a battle field environment in a conventional war. A ship load of biotoxins headed for Karachi for use by LET against India is a strategic target, but the ship itself is a tactical target. That is why we should not limit it for use in a littoral sense only. It is tailor made for striking targets deep inland and taking out high value targets before they even realise that they are being targeted. A group of infiltrators waiting to cross the LC in North Kashmir or a Chinese trawler in Indian waters off the Wheeler island spying on our missile tests, the options are limitless. However with ranges greater than those presently available, our options increase manifold. a 2000 KM hypersonic cruise missile sounds just fine be that a Brahmos or a modified Agni II.
 
War Ships are intended to carry heavy weapons. If range is 1000km , i can guarantee that enemy cannot harm our ship, but ships can be detected by awacs easily at 600 km . Our main aim is for ACC and more over once we fire it , target is gone .
Remember it will also be used as land attack variant also . It would supplement LRCM indirectly .

Now my good friend the ships can be tracked by satellites while they are 1000s of Kms away in real time..... yes I do agree that 1000km would be a great leverage to have however that could be done with increased fuel efficiency and better scramjet engine in future without bringing much increase in size and weight...... same case with the land attack or LRCM versions....
 
There are some doubts about the range of Brahmos. Yes it is true that the actual range is much more than 290 km but due to MTCR is restricted below 300 km. Though some say as it is made in India, the actual range is much higher.

Yes..Lets not dig this anymore..
 

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