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Design Freeze for Hypersonic Brahmos II Missile Nears

Yes. The exact range of the Hypersonic Brahmos has not been set or kept secret but it is clear that it will not follow MTCR like current supersonic Brahmos. DRDO mentioned that IA wants hypersonic version to have double the range ie ~ 600km.


Note Prahaar already a hypersonic missile with speed of ~ Mach 5.
I think 600 km will be great but if we are not following MTCR this time we should try to reach 1000 km range. Also can you share the source of the information stating IA wants 600 km range brahmos ?
 
I think 600 km will be great but if we are not following MTCR this time we should try to reach 1000 km range. Also can you share the source of the information stating IA wants 600 km range brahmos ?

The article itself says that the range should be doubled from the one of current Brahmos.... according to the demands of the Defence forces.....

1000 km could make it a bit heavier and larger creating logistic problem while mounting it on Naval Frigates and Airborne launching platforms.
 
Yes. The exact range of the Hypersonic Brahmos has not been set or kept secret but it is clear that it will not follow MTCR like current supersonic Brahmos. DRDO mentioned that IA wants hypersonic version to have double the range ie ~ 600km.


Note Prahaar already a hypersonic missile with speed of ~ Mach 5.

so brahmos 2= LRCM
 
^ Dude u are talking of Land attack ? That won't be necessary when an entire ACC can be downed by it. The war would have been decided by Naval forces before the land forces can even move...
It can carry a nuke/cluster of small war heads that will have massive power of single war head and it will be off radar and it cannot be intercepted. It will have kinetic energy ~4 times to that of Brahmos I.
Land attack doesnt mean Surface to surface, Ship to surface can be developed and more over Navy cannot attack deep land targets. We need to launch missiles from border.

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The article itself says that the range should be doubled from the one of current Brahmos.... according to the demands of the Defence forces.....

1000 km could make it a bit heavier and larger creating logistic problem while mounting it on Naval Frigates and Airborne launching platforms.
Let it be larger ... If it has 1000km range and Hypersonic speed.

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MTCR table doesn't include hypersonic missiles.Because the people who framed MTCR didn't consider hypersonic missiles.So as there is no mention there is no range restriction.So legally speaking there can't be a restriction based on the current draft.
Hypersonic means supersonic!!!
 
Let it be larger ... If it has 1000km range and Hypersonic speed.

Size and weight is the problem here.... the current/near future IN frigates aswell as destroyers are designed to carry CM of the size of Brahmos I or smaller.... having a larger missile would require larger storage area as well as larger weight handling capability.... all in all a larger frigate of the displacement of 8000+ tons and Destroyers in the class of 14000+ tons.... perhaps.... and building such large ships would require a lot of time and money aswell.
 
^ Dude u are talking of Land attack ? That won't be necessary when an entire ACC can be downed by it. The war would have been decided by Naval forces before the land forces can even move...

it could possibly sink a light to medium carrier but anything above 50,000 tonnes i doubt it could sink it it could damage an aircraft carrier above 50,000 tonnes but thats about it

the 300kg warhead on BrahMos is not enough (unless it is nuclear) to sink a 50,000+ ton carrier the U.S has 1MW lasers designed to sink aircraft carriers rather than missiles i think we are developing our own laser technology as well

Brahmos 2 would be best for littoral warfare against surface combatants like frigates,destroyers, etc or for land attack like surgical strike
 
can we double the range of Brahmos 2? i thought we can't because of MCTR
@KINEtIC : If the range is around ~600 km then its really good but why would Brahmos II range be not limited by MTCR rules ?

The article say so. Actual range of current Brahmos is also much more but restricted by MTCR.

anyways, point 9, 10 mentioned are not for Hypersoinc Brahmos but for supersonic Air launched version of Brahmos.

Yes, I think everyone understood.
 
Taking the bold parts of point number 2, 3 and 7...... the hypersonic version could well find its place in a modified weapon bay of the PAK FA/FG FA aircraft and provide a lethal and unstoppable combination..... most importantly in a naval war where the Stealth fighter could penetrate well inside the 600 km range of a super carrier battle group and wreck havoc shooting missiles in large numbers from different angles sinking the whole fleet in the process..... not to mention the ground attacks staying out of the detection range of any air defense system..... while flying low or medium altitude.

Good point. The Sukhoi CEO already mentioned that FGFA/PAK FA will carry Brahmos. Now it can be internal if the size is smaller than current Brahmos. The T-50 + hypersonic Brahmos combination will be deadliest. Or the scenario can be like one carrier IAC-2 where naval FGFA with Brahmos-H creating havoc in the enemy surface fleet.
 
Size and weight is the problem here.... the current/near future IN frigates aswell as destroyers are designed to carry CM of the size of Brahmos I or smaller.... having a larger missile would require larger storage area as well as larger weight handling capability.... all in all a larger frigate of the displacement of 8000+ tons and Destroyers in the class of 14000+ tons.... perhaps.... and building such large ships would require a lot of time and money aswell.
War Ships are intended to carry heavy weapons. If range is 1000km , i can guarantee that enemy cannot harm our ship, but ships can be detected by awacs easily at 600 km . Our main aim is for ACC and more over once we fire it , target is gone .
Remember it will also be used as land attack variant also . It would supplement LRCM indirectly .
 
Why is everybody happy over the range..? Do you guys really believe Brahmos has a range restricted to 290 Km..?
This is a home made missile. Everybody ( even the bad guys ) knows that the range can be extended at will...

There are some doubts about the range of Brahmos. Yes it is true that the actual range is much more than 290 km but due to MTCR is restricted below 300 km. Though some say as it is made in India, the actual range is much higher.
 
^ Dude u are talking of Land attack ? That won't be necessary when an entire ACC can be downed by it. The war would have been decided by Naval forces before the land forces can even move...

Here they are primarily talking about land attack version. The hypersonic version will be available in all formats land, ship, air, submarine like the current brahmos.

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I think 600 km will be great but if we are not following MTCR this time we should try to reach 1000 km range. Also can you share the source of the information stating IA wants 600 km range brahmos ?

IA want around ~600 km range but the range is not fixed yet or kept secret. It is mentioned it the article.

---------- Post added at 11:01 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:00 AM ----------

so brahmos 2= LRCM

Brahmos-H will have all versions like current Brahmos.
 
^^^ only Russia needs to follow MCTR not us if it is manufactured in Russia it needs to be less than 300km if it is manufactured in India it can be however long it wants to be
 

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