Delivery of PAA AH-1Z postponed !

[Sabretooth]

Let the US play these games. In the end, The only thing these sanctions will achieve is that it will force Pakistan's hand to make it's own gunship just like JF-17.

 

[mingle]

These Helis will come eventually.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Accelerated pace does not mean it will always produced result. Given Turkey shrinking economy and funds. Its more of decelerate.Talk is cheap, final result matters.

And, Turkey is after the results with deeds....

Tons of evidence are already there, and more are on the pipleline...

Our job is to proclaim it...

As for money, with 70 cents in the treasury Turkey went for liberating the Turkish Cyprus from Greece, the cradle of the Western Civilization, against the overwhelming opposition and sanctions from the entire Western World!!! For some folks, there’s something beyond money....

 

[doorstar]

Nonsense, your so called Turkish domestic turboshaft for TA-129 is still on lab table. It still at least an decade of equip and operation for use. TA-129 will depend on US engine for many years. This is fact.

go easy on him, he is a Pakistani who actually believes that Turks and Persians are on the side of Muslim (or brown) countries.

facts and logic cannot defeat the belief no-matter how erroneous that belief may be, some people will go to any lengths to protect/propagate it

 

[Imran Khan]

god damn its been 70 years we did not learn that we should stay away from USA in defense .

 

[Zhukov]

But those were Free Choppers. Every thing is nice when it comes free. Now we have to actually PAY for any Alternative

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Nonsense, your so called Turkish domestic turboshaft for TA-129 is still on lab table. It still at least an decade of equip and operation for use. TA-129 will depend on US engine for many years. This is fact.

Imagination is more important than knowledge - Albert Einstein

Forget about Turkey, the entire world is still dependent on the USA!!! She is still the sole Super Power for a reason...

Every program starts at the lab!!! Now, you sound nonsense for not knowing simple engineering facts....

go easy on him, he is a Pakistani who actually believes that Turks and Persians are on the side of Muslim (or brown) countries.

facts and logic cannot defeat the belief no-matter how erroneous that belief may be, some people will go to any lengths to protect/propagate it

Don’t assume for stuffs you don’t know....

Faith is the strongest thing in the world...

 

[Kompromat]

Can't wait to see them flying here.

 

[Yaseen1]

we should buy alternative from china,china is surviving without using any u.s made weapon so we can also survive without them

 

[Tps43]

Mubaraka Jee Mubaraka , finally we know that Pakistan ki Bahu ne sasural ane se inkar ker dia

@Tps43 bhai Turkey se wapsi pe Turkish delight chor , 2-4 T-129 lete ana

Aur uska engine bhai hahahhh

 

[jupiter2007]

Any chance of Z-10ME?

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

TBH they dont look like they in a mood to deliver those birds to us any time soon.

Pakistan Army AH-1Z at AMARG

Nine Pakistani AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters are currently stored at 309th Aerospace Maintenance And Regeneration Group (AMARG), Tucson (AZ). Their delivery was postponed with the excuse that Pakistan was not ready to receive them. It is uncertain what the future delivery time frame will be.

All helicopters are in the process of being covered in white rubber coating known as 'spraylat' to preserve them in pristine condition. The nine Vipers involved are; 786-061, 062, 063, 067, 068, 069, 070, 071, and 072. The other three, 786-064 to 066, are thought to be stored elsewhere; most possible at NAS Patuxent River (MD).

 

[python-000]

America is the only true friend & allay of israel & india...

 

[Imran Khan]

America is the only true friend & allay of israel & india...

Wrong america is true friend of own

 

[Shabi1]

IIRC Pakistan basically refused to pay for them from national funds, only from CSF and FMF. It'll be interesting to see if the US offers an alternative, like a loan, to get these to Pakistan. So far the US industry has lost on quite a few deals (follow-on attack helicopters, OPVs, corvettes, etc) due to the lack of an export loan.

These are USMC spec AH-1Zs, if there is no hope for delivery to Pakistan the US could simply divert them to USMC. Till not transferred to USMC their delivery to Pakistan is hopeful.

I think its not a money issue but rather some disputes with Bell and their local rep with regards to maintenance procedures and billing. After overcharging (also billed to US tax payers) and delays Pakistan has started started maintaining/overhauling Bell-412s and AH-1s on it's own. PA actually returned 5 UH-1s supplied by US for border management and didn't exercise it's option to buy them because maintenance issues.

Pakistan returns US helicopters used to monitor Pak-Afghan border
October 30, 2017
http://www.historyofpia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25884

They might have delayed AH-1Z deliveries but if you look at recent pictures and videos of our old Cobras you can see dramatic change in condition. The ones shown at the 23rd March parade looked pristine.
Same goes for Mi-17s, PAA was maintaining some of them through coalition support funds as well but now PA has a in house facility.

Problems with Bell arn't new for Pakistan.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1055153
November 09, 2013
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ISLAMABAD: Two companies supplying helicopters to the army have been blacklisted for allegedly leaking sensitive information to the United States.

The companies — Aerotron Private Ltd and Aerotron FZE (AF) — which had been supplying Bell and Sikorsky helicopters to the army for over 38 years were blacklisted on May 26 last year because of security reasons.

The companies had challenged the ban in the Islamabad High Court in September last year. At the request of the military authorities, the IHC had held the proceedings in camera and recently reserved its judgment.

In a joint reply submitted to the court through their counsel Tariq Mehmood Jahangiri, the respondents — chief of general staff, director general of the Military Intelligence, general officer commanding and director general of procurement (army) — alleged that the companies had “passed on to an unauthorised person classified information pertaining to the Pakistan Army”.

The sensitive information had been provided to the US Office of Defence Representative in Pakistan by Azhar Wali Mohammad and Fahad Azhar. It said: “The petitioners (companies) had no reason to pass on that information to the US office.”

The reply claimed that during a meeting with senior officials of the MI in Rawalpindi in Sept 2011, the companies’ owners admitted that they had passed on the information but insisted that it was not classified. According to them, it was available in the media and was essential for business purposes. “If the petitioners are concerned about their fundamental rights and wanted their enforcement under the constitution of Pakistan, they should also be cognizant of their duty to remain loyal to the state under the provision of the same constitution,” the reply argued.

The petitioners had challenged the May 26, 2012 letter by the director general procurement, informing them that their companies had been barred from any business deal with the army and defence organisations because of security reasons.

They said their principal, Bell Helicopters Supply Centre in the Netherlands, had been informed on May 9. The army told the centre that it had severed its ties with the Aerotron companies on Oct 14, 2011, and requested it to stop communications with the companies and their representatives.

During the hearing, the petitioners’ counsel, Abdul Hafeez Pirzada, said that after the ban the companies served legal notice on the respondents but they neither responded nor pointed out any illegality on part of the petitioners.

He argued that the reference to security concerns in the May 9 letter to the Bell Helicopters Supply Centre was ambiguous and insufficient to constitute a valid reason as required by law. Also it was written without informing or providing the companies an opportunity to show cause and being heard to rebut any alleged ground for the purported decision of blacklisting.

“The executive and public functionaries under the constitution cannot take any unilateral decision or pass an adverse order without hearing the accused party,” the counsel argued.