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Defence budget up by Rs 1.64 lakh crores

:lol: i dont think these are the limit...

With $32 billion budget and the actual for procuring machines,u can only buy that much...
As the budget increases,the squadron increases,army number will increase,all other machine numbers increases...

And there is NO Bureaucracy as CS mentioned..
Archie pls don't misguide...

There is only so much u can get from the budget allocated
By the way the figures which i had mentioned earliar are the sanctioned strength of the arm forces , they can only be increased after a go ahead by the MOD, CCS , Parliament

The sanctioned strength were set up in 1988 when indian military was at its peak with airforce operating over 800 fighters , army having over 4500 tanks and 4500 artillery guns and navy having 140 warships and 21 Subs and 2 ACs
If u look at our current force level , it is below the sanctioned strength for Airforce and Navy while army still has over 4000 Tanks and 4000 artillery guns but 50 % of them are old

For further info u can read by previous post
 
All of the above posted limits are 'sanctioned strengths'. They are not boundaries beyond which the armed forces cannot expand. geezus.

Atleast u understand that they are sanctioned strength and can be increased only with the approval of MOD,CCS , PARLIAMENT
 
Thats coz currently the Number of Inductions are less than Number of Retirement , for instance since 2008 Indian Airforce has scraped around 91 fighters, 85 of them being Mig21 while It has Inducted 63 New Fighters since 2008 , all of them being Su30 MKI
Even this yr IAF expects to retire 36 Fighters all of them being Mig21 while It will Induct around 32 fighters, mainly Su30 MKI AND SOME LCA
Thanx for this info....

Till 2015 , 146 Fighters will be scraped against 150 Fighters Inducted
i would really appreciate what will be in the 146 scraped (i think it will be just mig21 but are there any otherr fighters to be phased out by 2015) and what will be in 150 inducted (i think its 1 squadron of MMRCA and rest Su30).

currently IAF has 33 Sqds which will increase to 39.5 by 2017 and airforce is looking to increase it further to 42 Sqds by 2022 and it doesnot want any Legal Hurdle to come in its way by some dingbat who might decide to file a PIL or an RTI application saying that airforce is increasing its number by more than what is sanctioned
Its not possible because IAF is allowed to have a minimum of 39.5 squadron with a healthy level of 44 squadrons.
 
Thanx for this info....

No problem

i would really appreciate what will be in the 146 scraped (i think it will be just mig21 but are there any otherr fighters to be phased out by 2015) and what will be in 150 inducted (i think its 1 squadron of MMRCA and rest Su30).

Well Let me explain Indian Airforce Retirement Plan
IAF will Retire 53 Mig21 Bis by end of 2012
53 Mig27 will be scraped between 2012-14
40 Mig21 Bison will retire in yr 2014-2015
Thats 146 fighters in total
43 Mig27upg AND 80 Mig 21 Bison will remain in service till 2017


As far as Replacements are concerned , Let me tell u how i calculated that Number

HAL's current production rate for Su30MKI is 28 aircraft a yr and it is unlikely to increase in future
and in 4 yrs ie by 2015 , it will deliver like 112 Su30 MKI

The rest of the number comprise 18 mmrca and 20 LCA MK1

Thats 150 fighters in total


Its not possible because IAF is allowed to have a minimum of 39.5 squadron with a healthy level of 44 squadrons.

My guess is that u have not read Arundati Roy's rant about India allocating billions in Defence each yr even though we spend 3 times as much on subsidy , loan waiver , Employment guarantee schemes
Nor have u heard Our esteemed Left parties terming every Indian weapon's purchase from US as a Bailout for American Military and Industrial complex
 
My guess is that u have not read Arundati Roy's rant about India allocating billions in Defence each yr even though we spend 3 times as much on subsidy , loan waiver , Employment guarantee schemes
Nor have u heard Our esteemed Left parties terming every Indian weapon's purchase from US as a Bailout for American Military and Industrial complex
No i didn't read about that....i would appreciate if you post some link or else i would have to search on the web.
I wrote that line because legally even she can't stop for IAF to have upto 44 squadron and you mentioned only 42. IAF is allowed to have that much squadron. Now if IAF goes for more than this then she can challenge it in court. Like, right now IAF is asking MOD to sanction the minimum strength from 39.5 to 45. Now even if MOD sanctions this, she can appeal against it in court if the reply given by MOD or IAF then does not help to support govt. and IAF's case then they will be asked not to increase squadron limit from 39.5 to 45.
 
No i didn't read about that....i would appreciate if you post some link or else i would have to search on the web.
I wrote that line because legally even she can't stop for IAF to have upto 44 squadron and you mentioned only 42. IAF is allowed to have that much squadron. Now if IAF goes for more than this then she can challenge it in court. Like, right now IAF is asking MOD to sanction the minimum strength from 39.5 to 45. Now even if MOD sanctions this, she can appeal against it in court if the reply given by MOD or IAF then does not help to support govt. and IAF's case then they will be asked not to increase squadron limit from 39.5 to 45.


I Read it in Mail Today , I think it was around the time when OBAMA paid a visit

Well Antony has given Conditional Go ahead for increasing the sanctioned strength to 45 Sqds, thats coz antony too is in favour of IAF fielding 42 sqds in 2022 , However my guess is that CCS will sit on this recomendation till atleast 2013 , coz of political compulsion and crucial elections in 2011-12 which could lead to many CCS members being transfered to state politics
we will only see this recomendation before the house in 2014 , which is ok coz IAF sqd strength will be 33-34 in 2014 and will only begin to increase by 1-2 sqd a yr post 2015
 
However my guess is that CCS will sit on this recomendation till atleast 2013 , coz of political compulsion and crucial elections in 2011-12 which could lead to many CCS members being transfered to state politics
If they want they can utilize this politically also. Patriotism is a powerful tool to win hearts of the people. I think this China issue can be raised by Congress for the next election because they are falling back on many fronts.
 

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