Decline in global client spending may put Indian IT sector under stress

[jamahir]

We do have a microprocessor called Shakti.

Shakti is the name that IIT-Madras has given to the RISC-V processor architecture. IIT-Madras is implementing the RISC-V international and open source project that was initially designed in the University of Berkeley in USA. So nothing really Indian about this.

There is another project called Ajit, from IIT-Bombay, which is their implementation of the SPARC architecture which is American.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Shakti is the name that IIT-Madras has given to the RISC-V processor architecture. IIT-Madras is implementing the RISC-V international and open source project that was initially designed in the University of Berkeley in USA. So nothing really Indian about this.

There is another project called Ajit, from IIT-Bombay, which is their implementation of the SPARC architecture which is American.

You asked for manufacturing Microprocessors. I gave you the answer, I don't know when we can make a new instruction set for MP's.

 

[jamahir]

You asked for manufacturing Microprocessors. I gave you the answer, I don't know when we can make a new instruction set for MP's.

Sorry but I said design and not manufacture :

Yet there is not a singe microprocessor or operating system designed in Pakistan and India.

There is a government organisation called SCL in Punjab which manufactures some microprocessors for military and space applications but these are too slow for other needs. I mean like an Intel Core i7.

And as you indicated, it is something else to design a new MP instruction set.

Though one thing about the Shakti / RISC-V is I don't know if it will be manufactured in SCL or out of the country.

 

[k s ahmed]

We do have a microprocessor called Shakti.


Your idea of people buying cheap stuff is outdated. Indian IT industry get business because they do the same job at a reduced price. By same job I mean same quality you get elsewhere. If, what Indian companies do is low quality job at cheap rates then there will not be a business.

This is not like you buying Mehran from local shop, cheap but low quality, but does the job of taking people to places. It's much different than that.

you are just being an indian here by not agreeing to the facts. facts you dont know.. i work day in day out with them and have worked with them in the past too.
anyway, i let you be one

 

[Chhatrapati]

Sorry but I said design and not manufacture :

Tell me a common MP designed outside US? There are English and Japanese architectures but other than that there is none. Even Chinese haven't developed a new instruction set.

Such wishes are astronomical right now. So, your argument that we need a new instruction set for our own processors falls flat. We are still developing our own processor. Also, developing a processor based on an architecture is not easy, it requires millions of dollars of funding, knowledge and research to come up with a design.

you are just being an indian here by not agreeing to the facts. facts you dont know.. i work day in day out with them and have worked with them in the past too.
anyway, i let you be one

The time in PDF I have seen a lot of supposed software Engineers, Aerospace Engineers and what not. Now, even going by your argument that you deal with them on a regular basis. Why deal with them at all, if cheapness was the bar, then Pakistanis can do it cheaper, even Chinese could do it at much cheaper rates given the incentives they give. We are not doing something very exclusive, every other guy with a software Engineering degree can get things done.

The point is Indian IT companies have clientele from Boeing, Airbus, Lokheed to Microsoft, Google, Ubisoft says a lot about the 'quality' and security. You are just being a jealousy Pakistani who can't control the itch to belittle India at every curve possible all the while your own nation being dismal in almost every industrial sector.

 

[Dubious]

We have a trade surplus of nearly 20 billion with US. Your whole country's forex reserve isnt half of it. Your rant is pathetic to watch. I can hear your pain through these words. Please focus on improving education in Pakistan. Indias IT industry will adapt itself to newer technolgies and will continue to provide the country billions of dollar. Thanks for being concerned.

kindly dont derail the thread! If you cant answer, learn by observing other members!

 

[jamahir]

Tell me a common MP designed outside US? There are English and Japanese architectures but other than that there is none.

You are correct. From SPARC to MIPS to x86 to more, most MPs are American.

And there is the British ARM architecture.

I don't think the Japanese have an original architecture.

Even Chinese haven't developed a new instruction set.

I agree.

Their Loongson processor is based on the American MIPS architecture.

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My argument is that Pakistan and India lack ambition when it comes to design of MPs and OS'. When there are so many educational institutions and government and private companies in the field of computing here, it is simply a serious issue that there is no local design. It shouldn't matter that all MPs and OS' are American, Canadian ( QNX ), British etc.

 

[Chhatrapati]

You are correct. From SPARC to MIPS to Intel to more, most MPs are American.

And there is the British ARM architecture.

I don't think the Japanese have an original architecture.

Japanese for a while were the front runners in semi conductor tech. The patent of Flash memory is with Toshiba (If my guess is right, they were the ones developed it) There are IEEE papers on the same. And they also collaborated in developing 4004 MPs. But their fabrication industry is dismal compared to the Americans.

My argument is that Pakistan and India lack ambition when it comes to design of MPs and OS'. When there are so many educational institutions and government and private companies in the field of computing here, it is simply a serious issue that there is no local design. It shouldn't matter that all MPs and OS' are American, Canadian ( QNX ), British etc.

It's not the lack of Ambition, just that we haven't set the priority right. There should be a revamp in education sector. While the British have started teaching their kids about Raspberry Pi, we are stuck with solving difficult math problems, memorizing French revolution, German Unification. Or boasting about marks in 12th grade, or studying Computer Engineering with no prior knowledge in programming because mom, dad and friends said IT is the way to go.

 

[nahtanbob]

Pakistan produces a few thousand computer engineer graduates per year. India produces a few hundred thousand computer engineer graduate per year. Yet there is not a singe microprocessor or operating system designed in Pakistan and India. Shows that there is imagination lacking in this field in these two countries.

you do not waste time reinventing the wheel

that is a bad benchmark for technical progress. it shows your level of understanding - both technical and business
most of the world has zeroed in on Intel/ARM architecture and Linux operating system

 

[undercover JIX]

you do not waste time reinventing the wheel

that is a bad benchmark for technical progress. it shows your level of understanding - both technical and business
most of the world has zeroed in on Intel/ARM architecture and Linux operating system

they are just correcting mistakes and making it perfect. India has it before ...

 

[nahtanbob]

they are just correcting mistakes and making it perfect. India has it before ...

lol

 

[undercover JIX]

lol

you any doubts??? are you a hater?

 

[jamahir]

you do not waste time reinventing the wheel

that is a bad benchmark for technical progress. it shows your level of understanding - both technical and business
most of the world has zeroed in on Intel/ARM architecture and Linux operating system

They why was the RISC-V microprocessor designed recently by the University of Berkeley ( USA ) ?? Why are they "reinventing the wheel" ??

This MP is a transnational, opensource project.

In India, the IIT-Madras institution is implementing this MP under the name "Shakti". Why are they too "reinventing the wheel" ??

Or boasting about marks in 12th grade

Yeah, that more than anything else.

 

[letsrock]

Indian IT sector aggregates revenues of US$160 billion , with export revenue standing at US$99 billion and domestic revenue at US$48 billion, growing by over 13%. #Facepalm This attitude will only make your non-existent IT industry worse.

These export numbers are just jugglery. India claims almost 100 billion software exports to USA then why does USA report significantly less of IT enabled imports from India - around 20-25 billion? India simply counts all onsite billing of Indian companies as exports even through most of it is paid as wages to onsite employees who spend a large chunk of it in US economy giving only significantly less to India.