Debunking the lies

[war&peace]

Hey guys this is a discussion between two members but still it may be of interest for many because lies and myths should be debunked regardless of who spreads them

@nahtanbob please watch it full if you really want to know. It is a scientific discussion and not political and he a white Caucasian male from Denmark. A professor in the chemistry who specialises in explosion science.

 

[nahtanbob]

I will watch the clip in full later.

1. this is video of the actual collapse of Building 7

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a3524/4278874/

2. he is a chemistry professor. he is not a civil engineering professor. he is a certified nutcase.

3. no one has poured a full load of aviation fuel and set it on fire at the 80th stories. comparing a 8 storey building to a 100 storey building.

4. Let us assume it was controlled demolition. It does not rule out the jetliners hitting the two main WTC buildings.

5. US Secret Service is a benign agency. they protect the President and other top politicians. They investigate counterfeiting of US dollars.

6. no one can gag academia in USA. there are 250+ universities in America. university professors have tenure. no one can fire them.

 

[war&peace]

2. he is a chemistry professor. he is not a civil engineering professor. he is a certified nutcase.

Of course he is nut case if does not subscribe to your lies so regardless of his life time of experience and research about controlled demolitions, explosions.. he is a nutjob.. what's next?
BTW, may I know your academic background & profession?

 

[That Guy]

You know, at this point, it doesn't matter what you believe, when it comes to 9/11. History has been recorded, and the resulting events have already occurred.

If you're still arguing about this, just give up. There is no point in it.

 

[war&peace]

You know, at this point, it doesn't matter what you believe, when it comes to 9/11. History has been recorded, and the resulting events have already occurred.

If you're still arguing about this, just give up. There is no point in it.

Naah, it is not over yet. Furthermore, it is very important to learn from the history and it is not even that old. The people who do not learn from history and current events are the fools and destined to fail.

 

[That Guy]

Naah, it is not over yet. Furthermore, it is very important to learn from the history and it is not even that old. The people who do not learn from history and current events are the fools and destined to fail.

It depends on what you think is the correct course of history. Besides, I feel like you're being too overly dramatic; it's an Internet argument, between two complete insignificant strangers.

If you're a truther, then the official events will make no sense to you. Likewise, if you believe the official events, truthers will look insane to you.

There is no point in arguing this, especially on an Internet forum.

Just as a disclosure; I don't believe the conspiracy theories. Occam's razer and all that.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. You and him will probably forget about this argument within a week.

 

[war&peace]

It depends on what you think is the correct course of history. Besides, I feel like you're being too overly dramatic; it's an Internet argument, between two complete insignificant strangers.

What you feel is immaterial. And as far as we are insignificant strangers then who are you? and why should we pay any attention to your rants?
This whole forum depends on the strangers discussion & arguing about different news, events and ideas. And this extends to the most part of the internet.

Rest of your rant is not worth responding.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. You and him will probably forget about this argument within a week.

Dig up old posts..I don't have a short memory of a gold fish..

 

[That Guy]

What you feel is immaterial. And as far as we are you insignificant strangers then who are you? and why should we pay any attention to your rants?
This whole forum depends on the strangers discussion & arguing about different news, events and ideas. And this extends to the most part of the internet.

Rest of your rant is not worth responding.


Dig up old posts..I don't have a short memory of a gold fish..

Calm down, no need to get angry. I'm as insignificant as you are. Nothing you, I, or nahtanbob will say have any impact; hell, it probably won't have any impact on this forum either.

No national leader is on here, and reading our posts. Which is why I'm saying, there is no point in debating this pointless topic.

By the way, it's not a rant, I'm merely saying that you both are kind of wasting your own time, and in the end, neither of you are gonna a change the other's mind.

And I didn't mean that you have a bad memory. I meant that this topic is so pointless, that you and him will stop caring about it. My comment was figure of speech.

 

[nahtanbob]

Of course he is nut case if does not subscribe to your lies so regardless of his life time of experience and research about controlled demolitions, explosions.. he is a nutjob.. what's next?
BTW, may I know your academic background & profession?

I am an engineer/mathematician/programmer

if you want to be believed you have to be very careful about what you say. You cannot go around insinuating and expect to be heard seriously

he sees it is interesting that US secret service has a large office in building 7. Of course they have a big office in New York city. It is financial capital of USA. One of their missions is to investigate counterfeit crimes and to protect domestic/foreign personalities. The most important target they protect is President of the USA. New York is a important place for all of that.

I do not know if he brings it up. The SEC files being destroyed in building 7 is an interesting observation. I do not know anyone prosecuted by SEC capable of indulging in terrorism much less an incident of the scale of 9/11. All of them are tie/suit criminals. The SEC has a hard time punishing a lot of them anyway because much of the financial shenanigans are legal to begin with.

he does not find the collapse of two main WTC towers happening due to burning jet fuel. he is not a civil engineer. he cannot make such claims unless you conducted experiments with 100 story buildings

If there is anything about 9/11 that has been hushed up it is the support networks in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. I do not think the governments of these countries were in any way involved. i think individuals were involved at least on a peripheral basis.

 

[That Guy]

I am an engineer/mathematician/programmer

if you want to be believed you have to be very careful about what you say. You cannot go around insinuating and expect to be heard seriously

he sees it is interesting that US secret service has a large office in building 7. Of course they have a big office in New York city. It is financial capital of USA. One of their missions is to investigate counterfeit crimes and to protect domestic/foreign personalities. The most important target they protect is President of the USA. New York is a important place for all of that.

I do not know if he brings it up. The SEC files being destroyed in building 7 is an interesting observation. I do not know anyone prosecuted by SEC capable of indulging in terrorism much less an incident of the scale of 9/11. All of them are tie/suit criminals. The SEC has a hard time punishing a lot of them anyway because much of the financial shenanigans are legal to begin with.

he does not find the collapse of two main WTC towers happening due to burning jet fuel. he is not a civil engineer. he cannot make such claims unless you conducted experiments with 100 story buildings

Fine. If you guys want to argue over this, suit yourselves. I guarantee that neither of you will change your minds, and both of you will be upset by the end of this; not to mention, having wasted your time.

Good luck; and well wishes to both of you.

 

[war&peace]

Calm down, no need to get angry. I'm as insignificant as you are. Nothing you, I, or nahtanbob will say have any impact; hell, it probably won't have any impact on this forum either.

Yeah that's a classic... term the response "angry" so mitigate its importance. It is your attempt to make it personal while what you should have focussed is the on the facts and discussion but you are trying to derail it like typical troll so I request to leave the thread in a polite manner without feeling hurt or sad.

Fine. If you guys want to argue over this, suit yourselves. I guarantee that neither of you will change your minds, and both of you will be upset by the end of this; not to mention, having wasted your time.

Good luck; and well wishes to both of you.

He may change or not, it will help others..

 

[That Guy]

Yeah that's a classic... term the response "angry" so mitigate its importance. It is your attempt to make it personal while what you should have focussed is the on the facts and discussion but you are trying to derail it like typical troll so I request to leave the thread in a polite manner without feeling hurt or sad.


He may change or not, it will help others..

To be fair, you called my comment a rant, which is why I thought you were angry. If you weren't angry, I apologize, but I really do think there is no point in this thread.

This topic has been debated to death for the last 18 years, thus thread isn't all that important, in the grand scheme of things.

But anyway. I thought I'd be friendly, but it seems my intention was misinterpreted as being hostile.

I shall take my leave. Once again, good luck and best wishes to both of you.

 

[war&peace]

I am an engineer/mathematician/programmer

But not a civil engineer, or an explosion expert?.. and not a psychologist or psychiatrist but you labelled a professor in explosion sciences a nutjob ...that's hilarious

To be fair, you called my comment a rant, which is why I thought you were angry. If you weren't angry, I apologize, but I really do think there is no point in this thread.

This topic has been debated to death for the last 18 years, thus thread isn't all that important, in the grand scheme of things.

But anyway. I thought I'd be friendly, but it seems my intention was misinterpreted as being hostile.

I shall take my leave. Once again, good luck and best wishes to both of you.

I know mate, it has been discussed to death and that's what I told @nahtanbob on the other thread so there's a context to discussion and since we didn't want to derail the other thread so I opened this thread in senior's cafe and the opening lines in OP describe it.

 

[nahtanbob]

But not a civil engineer, or an explosion expert?.. and not a psychologist or psychiatrist but you labelled a professor in explosion sciences a nutjob ...that's hilarious

To became an electrical engineer in USA you need course work in
Mechanics (Statics/Dynamics)
Strength of Materials
Material Science
Thermodynamics/Heat Transfer/Fluid Mechanics

The video speaks for itself - there is nothing convincing about the first 15 minutes

 

[war&peace]

To became an electrical engineer in USA you need course work in
Mechanics (Statics/Dynamics)
Strength of Materials
Material Science
Thermodynamics/Heat Transfer/Fluid Mechanics

The video speaks for itself - there is nothing convincing about the first 15 minutes

Ok now, let me tell you that I'm an aerospace engineer and we have to study a lot more about structures, mechanics of materials, metallurgy & material science, FEM, rigid & elastic body dynamics than an electrical engineers and furthermore..I did masters in mechanical engineering and also an online masters in computer science. And this demolition is definitely controlled.. the way it collapses straight down to ground.

no one has poured a full load of aviation fuel and set it on fire at the 80th stories. comparing a 8 storey building to a 100 storey building.

Then explain scientifically, how did this building collapsed and its structure is made of steel. Explain using your knowledge of strength of materials, thermodynamics.. remember this building was not hit by any jetliner. And why did is went straight down to the ground instead of collapsing on a side?

Controlled Demolition

If there is anything about 9/11 that has been hushed up it is the support networks in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

That's a whole lot of crap now you believe in and this shows your bias since even in the official story, there's not a single Pakistani involved.