Dauntless Deltas Delivering Their Duities

[BRAVO_]

with all due respect to the deltas i think they have outlived their lives....its high time they get replaced by something better....

this is the only post which has a realistic approach, while rest of the gang is busy in dreaming
delta = JSF
delta= Su35
delta= Rafael etc etc

 

[syed_yusuf]

how many ROSE-I crashed so far?

i think the number is 3 or 4

 

[Signalian]

i think the number is 3 or 4

Initially 33 Mirage -III upgraded Rose-I.

3-4 Crashed.
10 Mirage-III with CCS
19-20 Mirage-III with Squadron No.7

These are all AD versions, suited for A2A role.

 

[syed_yusuf]

Initially 33 Mirage -III upgraded Rose-I.

3-4 Crashed.
10 Mirage-III with CCS
19-20 Mirage-III with Squadron No.7

These are all AD versions, suited for A2A role.

yes but they are also used for precision strike using H2, H4 or Raad.

 

[ziaulislam]

yes but they are also used for precision strike using H2, H4 or Raad.

rose 2/3

rose 1 was AD

 

[Signalian]

rose 2/3

rose 1 was AD

20 Mirage-V Rose II
14 Mirage-V Rose III

If there are 30 Mirage-V available from EAF, they could be cannibalized for spares for Rose II and III.

 

[ziaulislam]

20 Mirage-V Rose II
14 Mirage-V Rose III

If there are 30 Mirage-V available from EAF, they could be cannibalized for spares for Rose II and III.

so how any rose 1 does PAF have left and where did you get the 20, 14 no.

did we have ever found out that rose 1 had BVR capability or not?

 

[Cuirassier]

Military Balance suggests 133 total Mirages, 82 Mirage III and 51 Mirage V. Looks like the Mirage V squadrons also have 5 Mirage IIIs each for AD purposes during TA missions.

21 Mirage III in Bandits
21 Mirage III in Ghazis
21 Mirage III in Cobras
5 Mirage III in Haiders
5 Mirage III in Night Strike Eagle
5 Mirage III in Zarrars
4 Mirage III in CCS
Total 82

16 Mirage V in Haiders
16 Mirage V in Night Strike Eagle
16 Mirage V in Zarrars
3 Mirage V in CCS
Total 51

 

[Beethoven]

this is the only post which has a realistic approach, while rest of the gang is busy in dreaming
delta = JSF
delta= Su35
delta= Rafael etc etc

The only viable option that we have to replace Mirages would be the J10 C...same design better radar and avionics...

 

[GriffinsRule]

Military Balance suggests 133 total Mirages, 82 Mirage III and 51 Mirage V. Looks like the Mirage V squadrons also have 5 Mirage IIIs each for AD purposes during TA missions.

21 Mirage III in Bandits
21 Mirage III in Ghazis
21 Mirage III in Cobras
5 Mirage III in Haiders
5 Mirage III in Night Strike Eagle
5 Mirage III in Zarrars
4 Mirage III in CCS
Total 82

16 Mirage V in Haiders
16 Mirage V in Night Strike Eagle
16 Mirage V in Zarrars
3 Mirage V in CCS
Total 51

Does this include 2-seat versions?

 

[syed_yusuf]

Does this include 2-seat versions?

Yes

Military Balance suggests 133 total Mirages, 82 Mirage III and 51 Mirage V. Looks like the Mirage V squadrons also have 5 Mirage IIIs each for AD purposes during TA missions.

21 Mirage III in Bandits
21 Mirage III in Ghazis
21 Mirage III in Cobras
5 Mirage III in Haiders
5 Mirage III in Night Strike Eagle
5 Mirage III in Zarrars
4 Mirage III in CCS
Total 82

16 Mirage V in Haiders
16 Mirage V in Night Strike Eagle
16 Mirage V in Zarrars
3 Mirage V in CCS
Total 51

These numbers are bit overstated ..it seems..

 

[GriffinsRule]

Yes


These numbers are bit overstated ..it seems..

Those 2-seaters would explain the Mirage IIIs in V's squadrons

 

[Incog_nito]

Military Balance suggests 133 total Mirages, 82 Mirage III and 51 Mirage V. Looks like the Mirage V squadrons also have 5 Mirage IIIs each for AD purposes during TA missions.

21 Mirage III in Bandits
21 Mirage III in Ghazis
21 Mirage III in Cobras
5 Mirage III in Haiders
5 Mirage III in Night Strike Eagle
5 Mirage III in Zarrars
4 Mirage III in CCS
Total 82

16 Mirage V in Haiders
16 Mirage V in Night Strike Eagle
16 Mirage V in Zarrars
3 Mirage V in CCS
Total 51

Is PAF planning to procure 130-150 J-10C/CS to replace Mirages or will they be replaced by JF-17 Block-4?

 

[Gryphon]

20 Mirage-V Rose II
14 Mirage-V Rose III

If there are 30 Mirage-V available from EAF, they could be cannibalized for spares for Rose II and III.

If spares for Mirage V ROSE II/III sqdrn's are required, why not cannibalize some aircraft from No. 8 or No. 15 squadron? These sqdrn's are expected to be equipped with JF-17 Block III starting 2021.

I see one more possibility here: media reports mention Pakistan negotiated for Egyptian Mirage 5 Horus aircraft, which have undergone a modernization program 10 years back. What if some of the Egyptian aircraft end up entering service with ROSE II/III squadrons as attrition replacements?

The only viable option that we have to replace Mirages would be the J10 C...same design better radar and avionics...

J-10C/CE would be another medium weight fighter in PAF, with combat radius not exceeding that of the F-16.

PAF needs a long-range, twin engine AS fighter like Su-35 or J-16 to meet future requirements. Nothing less.

 

[Signalian]

If spares for Mirage V ROSE II/III sqdrn's are required, why not cannibalize some aircraft from No. 8 or No. 15 squadron? These sqdrn's are expected to be equipped with JF-17 Block III starting 2021.

If they are canabalised, there will be no reserves.

I see one more possibility here: media reports mention Pakistan negotiated for Egyptian Mirage 5 Horus aircraft, which have undergone a modernization program 10 years back. What if some of the Egyptian aircraft end up entering service with ROSE II/III squadrons as attrition replacements?

That would be awesome because PAF will not let go of upgraded or ROSE Mirages that easily