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I hope the Havoc wins. It seems menacing. Now that is one machine I'd love to see in Army Aviation's Green camo paint. :D
 
Apache , eurocopter and Mi26 T2 will win . my prediction .all countries happy .

Would rather see the Chinook- a more versatile, reliable, proven and tactical help. The IAF has had some serious issues relating to pastes with the Mi-26 and has had to cannibalise some helos and only maintained ~40% availability. Whereas the CH-47F on offer is advanced, rugid and a proven platform in Western armed forces. I also think the Chinook will be an excellent compliment to the Indian SOFs whom have gained greater prominence in recent years in military and political circles, where picking the CH-47F for IAF could lead to specialised dedicated SOF versions of the Helo in the future.


+ I don't want the same fiasco of defence procurement relating to the Russians to play out the way it always does- the Russians have been given ample chances to prove themselves providing products on time and on budget, they often fail at both and there are serious after care concerns
later on. I honestly cant think of a single Russian defence deal that has been delivered on time and on budget, just look at the recent Mil-17V procurement- it is NOWHERE to be seen despite Mil promising to deliver "in the first quarter of 2011", it is now AUGUST and no delivery!! Whereas the US/Europeans have constantly proven themselves to meet bot time and budget contraints- the recent C-130-30J procurement deal was delivered EARLY (unheard of from Russians) and in budget by LM.
 
I don't know why people want the Apache. The Havoc looks like it's seriously ready to commit some serious havoc! :D
 
Would rather see the Chinook- a more versatile, reliable, proven and tactical help. The IAF has had some serious issues relating to pastes with the Mi-26 and has had to cannibalise some helos and only maintained ~40% availability. Whereas the CH-47F on offer is advanced, rugid and a proven platform in Western armed forces. I also think the Chinook will be an excellent compliment to the Indian SOFs whom have gained greater prominence in recent years in military and political circles, where picking the CH-47F for IAF could lead to specialised dedicated SOF versions of the Helo in the future.


+ I don't want the same fiasco of defence procurement relating to the Russians to play out the way it always does- the Russians have been given ample chances to prove themselves providing products on time and on budget, they often fail at both and there are serious after care concerns
later on. I honestly cant think of a single Russian defence deal that has been delivered on time and on budget, just look at the recent Mil-17V procurement- it is NOWHERE to be seen despite Mil promising to deliver "in the first quarter of 2011", it is now AUGUST and no delivery!! Whereas the US/Europeans have constantly proven themselves to meet bot time and budget contraints- the recent C-130-30J procurement deal was delivered EARLY (unheard of from Russians) and in budget by LM.

I don't know dude . i don't think the govt . would want to totally piss off the russians by not giving them any of the three . i also think that would be strategic stupidity . Plus i just checked out a video in which chinook was being lifted by a Mi26 . Was kinda funny . You can even look at the picture in the first post .lol.
 
IMO, the Chinook is better for transporting troops, but for heavy lift, the Mi-26 takes the show.
 
I don't know dude . i don't think the govt . would want to totally piss off the russians by not giving them any of the three . i also think that would be strategic stupidity . Plus i just checked out a video in which chinook was being lifted by a Mi26 . Was kinda funny . You can even look at the picture in the first post .lol.

Yes I I know full well about that incident but on a tactical and practical level the Chinook is a much better option than the Mi-26, the same as the An-124 VS C-17 debate. The Antonov might carry more but the Boeing can land almost anywhere, is more fuel efficient and maintenance friendly. Same argument for Mi-26, in war time the Mi-26 has very little usability given its sheer size, it requires a 4 man flight crew (pilot, co-pilot, navigator and flight engineer) and is more like flying a plane than a helo. Whilst the Chinook is a more versatile and easier to fly and has more usability during warm and peace. And like I said is an excellent SOFs platform and can recover marine special forces on zodiacs on water as well as other such incredible tasks.

Check this out:

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Also for some reason the helicopter deals have been grouped together and are all very different deals so we shouldn't view them collectively. And the point about giving deal for political reasons to Russians don't forget they have already bagged the 139 order for the Mil-17V for which there was NO open tendering process. And on this deal they have failed miserably to keep to agreed schedule and months down the line there is still no sign of the fist deliveries which are long overdue.
 
Yes I I know full well about that incident but on a tactical and practical level the Chinook is a much better option than the Mi-26

But the competition is not for helicopters for special forces but for the heavy lift requirement of IAF and that's where the Mi 26 outclasses the Chinook by far, but it's true that the maintenance is an issue. AFAIK the Russians offered us to team up for the new version, which should give us the chance to integrate own, or western parts and they already are ready to divert maintenance hubs and even the assembly for export helicopters to India, which is another point as well.
From the tactical point, I would prefer a squad of V22s next to the C130Js for our special forces, because they give us much more tactical capabilities, but it has it's maintenance issues as well.
 
AH-64D Block III Apache helicopters

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the Russian helicopters are good but will Russia be stingy on supplies situation? otherwise get the Chinook and AH-64D

oh and if we do get the Chinook i hope there are appropriate defense systems on it

we dont want a repeat of the SEAL's in Afghanistan to happen to us
 
We need to see how effective it would be against Khalid and T-90 Tanks and T129 Helicopters and support the Ground troops.

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16 x AGM-114 Hellfire anti-tank missiles
4 x Hydra-70 2.75in 7/14-Shot FFAR (Folding-Fin Aerial Rocket) rocket pods
4 x Hydra-70 2.75in 14-Shot FFAR (Folding-Fin Aerial Rocket) rocket pods
18 x Stinger AAM (Air-to-Air Missile) missiles
2 x AIM-9 Sidewinder AAM (Air-to-Air Missile) missiles
2 x Sidearm ARM (Anti-Radiation Missile) missiles
4 x Auxiliary Fuel Tanks

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It is AH-64D for attack helo for sure but not sure about heavy transport chopper. Both are excellent. But I think it will be Chinook.

Indian army aviation officers in Alaska, note the choppers.... Chinook

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A U.S. Army Soldier provides an orientation on medical evacuation procedures and equipment to the India Army Aviation officers as part of the Subject Matter Expert Exchange hosted by the 16th Combat Aviation Brigade, July 19-23 at Fort Wainwright, Alaska.(Army photo by Spc. Reese Von Rogatsz, 16th Combat Aviation Brigade Public Affairs Specialist)
 
It is AH-64D for attack helo for sure but not sure about heavy transport chopper. Both are excellent. But I think it will be Chinook.

Indian army aviation officers in Alaska, note the choppers.... Chinook

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A U.S. Army Soldier provides an orientation on medical evacuation procedures and equipment to the India Army Aviation officers as part of the Subject Matter Expert Exchange hosted by the 16th Combat Aviation Brigade, July 19-23 at Fort Wainwright, Alaska.(Army photo by Spc. Reese Von Rogatsz, 16th Combat Aviation Brigade Public Affairs Specialist)


Yes I hop Chinook bags the order from the UN-reliable Russians aswell but I wouldn't base this on some IA AAC pilots being given tour of the Chinook as I can't see this having any effect on the procurement. Also it will be the IAF who operates the Chinook not the AAC in this case- maybe in the future.
 
actually I think the IAF might prefer Mi-26 while the Army Aviation may prefer Chinook also the Chinook will be preferred by the Navy if they Choose to operate heavy lift helicopters which they will sooner or later once they have a few LHDs to complement our Aircraft Carriers.

Although I fail to understand why people r so sure the Apache will win cause again the IAF may prefer Mi-28s especially if the Israelis do their part to fulfill our requirement mainly due to commonality, CISMAO/LSA and a general hesitation to procure weapons from USA that have other counterparts.

Similarly the Eurocopter may loose to Kamov again on terms of increasing fleet commonality as the navy already operates a lot of Kamov helis.

And y the hell r we not giving a contract to the South-Africans to upgrade our entire existing Hind fleet to Super Hinds.
I'm sure they'll agree to let HAL upgrade all of them indeginously.
 
Chinook is better for troop transport and operations against guerrillas and the like. And since India already operates Mi-26s, the Chinook is a more viable option. It's a practical helicopter.

Also, the Apache is far more proven than the Mi-28 - looks aside.
 

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