Communist China is great !!

[fisher1]

You are like Hitler and demonstrate why CCP take actions. You call other's mushrikeen... so we are all infidel or kafir to you. Everyone not you and your exact thinking is the other and the enemy. With this attitude you still have not provided any evidence just other people who think and use useful idiots like you. Radical mind. Erdogan is a dog. I won't trust that evil shit for anything. But that's just my opinion from what this man has done in past and is doing now in Syria and Libya and Greece. Also what he did to Turks too. I'm sure you think Xi is a dog. It's fine on that we can agree hahaha. So Erdogan says something it means God's word now to you. Okay you trust him fine.

Your best piece of evidence is western supported english speaking narrative from youtube channel. Even then still not showing proof of your allegation of torture. In fact it show opposite. Muslim was asked to remove the beard. Yes I agree this is definitely government action and proof of government action but it is proof of government forcing or maybe just asking some main visible people like store owner or community leaders to remove beard. It still does not prove what you're saying about torture. Please provide real proof like Guantanamo bay or the other real concentration camps of American where they torture and murder people. That's just the organizations, their soldiers do much worse.

When you deny God, you're a Mushrik. Don't want to be a Mushrik, believe in God.

When you're a non-Muslim, you're a Kafir. Don't want to be a Kafir? Become Muslim.

It's the same as someone calling me a Muslim because i am not a Christian or a Hindu or a communist. I feel proud. You should be proud to be a Mushrik or a Kafir if you're not a Muslim.

I am proud to be a gentile because to a Jew that's what i am.

Should we Muslims call the Kuffar and Mushrikeen as Muslims now because it hurts their feelings?

Stop projecting your own hatred and Hitler like attitude towards us Muslims. We Muslims aren't putting Chinese in concentration camps forcing them to become Muslims or sleeping with their family. We're welcoming Chinese into Pakistan.

Calling Xi Jinping is a dog is an insult to a dog. God has made dogs loyal and compassionate. Xi Jinping is the modern day Pharaoh. Pharaoh was also very oppressive.

Whether you believe the overwhelming evidence or not is your problem. It's enough for any sane person.

 

[serenity]

Okay sure we disagree on those political things. But for God and humans. Sorry if I don't believe your version or interpretation of God, you have automatically set me apart and you say I'm the one with hatred?? Fucking funny. I believe in higher things personally but I don't want to commit other's to my thinking on these matters. I can respect your's and am curious and like to learn. In fact I have spent time learning about Islam and these philosophies and faiths. I think learning is higher order existence also. I don't hate you. You assume I do because the enemies of Chinese people and today's government want you to. I understand because I see their propaganda and it is poisonous and powerful and effective.

I am a kafir and everything to you because automatically I am unless I must agree with you and be under the control of your leaders. This I do not agree with and so with your thinking we cannot co-exist but with mine, we can. I do not control CCP's policy on these things. Like you do not control your leader's. But I'm not calling you any names or saying you should have bones broken or worthy of hell or whatever. Okay you say what's the difference between CCP and radical religion leaders? In many authoritarian ways there is no difference but importantly one lives in real world and tries to solve real problems and another is purely in spiritual world. This is fine, I think maybe all humans carry these but for government, there is a difference to me. I still think I haven't seen evidence of torture or murder but yes I agree with you in that I see evidence of government action. How strong is hard to say and whether it is right or wrong is at the moment hard to say. We need alternative universe and future to tell.

 

[beijingwalker]

Calling Xi Jinping is a dog is an insult to a dog. God has made dogs loyal and compassionate. Xi Jinping is the modern day Pharaoh. Pharaoh was also very oppressive.
Whether you believe the overwhelming evidence or not is your problem. It's enough for any sane person.

You really don't sound like a sane person. but I can tell you one thing for sure, what you want for China will never happen, China is for the Chinese, no one can bend us to their wills, not US, not Pakistan.

 

[serenity]

All Chinese people living as citizens in PRC are Chinese to add to his post. Including Uighur and Tibetans and Koreans and Vietnamese and everyone society call Han and AFrican Chinese they all exist as part of PRC and CCP forces this unity because without it all of Asia will slowly go into chaos and lives lost will be in millions because all these peoples and identities will create division and conflict inside what we call PRC.

You can maybe imagine who and which benefit from this calamity. Divide the people and create power vacuum. We see this done in many parts of world in last thousand years. I prefer natural unity over forced unity but I prefer forced unity until people are wealthy comfortable educated and wise enough to have natural unity and peace. For now, the evil wants war through division and instability and his armies are waging war on everyone's thinking and minds for now.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

There is no doubt that China is great.

Hence, such a disappointment that it has no respect for its minorities or religions and that will make China not so great.

So say The SAME people who claimed that Iraq had WMD that could destroy Europe in 30 mins. The SAME people who have killed some 10 million Muslims globally. But according to you that's okay but preventing radicalisation is not......

 

[FedererExpress]

Sure, it is a paradise if you love concentration camps, mass censorship, social credit systems, organ harvesting, no rule of law, no independent judiciary, no right to a lawyer, no ability elect your leaders, no free press to inform the public, no freedom to practice your religion, no right to protest anything, no human rights.

 

[serenity]

Believe me many old CCP leaders don't care about socialism or whatever. And trust me many are maybe smart in Chinese way but also only too old fashioned in thinking. Like the old business leaders in some small car brands who only know to copy famous designs. Still when you look many good minds with real ideas. These guys only know tough solution like they use harsh discipline on their children. Chinese older generation believe in harsh discipline. Sorry this is cultural difference but I see this sort of thing when I see the education center. It's what in Chinese will call bitterness before sweetness and harsh love but real love. It's to tell you to take bitter medicine to prevent death.

I know many Pakistani and Muslims hate this and many Chinese are also not comfortable but these leaders have this way for now. What do you want? Because there is one small problem burn the whole thing down? Too Romantic and radical. We need to slowly solve these issues and now things are better than ever in history for all of us including Muslims and will only slowly get better for those living in China unless they make themselves enemy of CCP. Any enemy paint themselves as target whether Muslim or Han or whatever! How many Han taken prisoner? You think this is about ethnicity? No it's about power and whether this power has good intention or not. So far at the moment until now, it seems this power has heaven's mandate and good intention because it is trying to solve long term problems with only tools they know. Give them some space and they give some space but try to burn it down of course they will use same extreme methods and everyone loses. So you misunderstand China's situation so deeply and you are young and passionate about things. But Chinese are slow as turtle.

 

[beijingwalker]

Sure, it is a paradise if you love concentration camps, mass censorship, social credit systems, organ harvesting, no rule of law, no independent judiciary, no right to a lawyer, no ability elect your leaders, no free press to inform the public, no freedom to practice your religion, no right to protest anything, no human rights.

What Chinese think of Chinese government, it has all the answers

 

[serenity]

Sure, it is a paradise if you love concentration camps, mass censorship, social credit systems, organ harvesting, no rule of law, no independent judiciary, no right to a lawyer, no ability elect your leaders, no free press to inform the public, no freedom to practice your religion, no right to protest anything, no human rights.

Concentration camp in USA is different to China to Germany in 1940s. Don't use that term to describe different things. You call our things propaganda and 5 cent army and you use real propagandist psychological tactic.

Mass censorship is true. We have insecure government but they are also insecure because their enemies are more and stronger than your's. The CCP was proven right about American spies in HK and infiltration and proven right about Google and Microsoft and everything so I think they know what they are talking about and why censorship is necessary to defend against these weapons of our enemies. These NSA spying they knew about 10 years before every human on earth found out luckily. They have many more tools we don't know about I'm sure.

Organ harvesting is bullshit. What is really true is using organs from execution prisoners. This is true and difficult question. But definitely a dangerous idea in case people get trialed to execution just for organs. But the bullshit stories are too much creativity on top of this prisoner organ reality. There is rule of law. There is more rule of law than most countries and safer. No independent court is true. Right to lawyer is false. No elections of course?! Hahahaha but this is not always bad thing. Elections can be very dangerous and no elections can be very dangerous. This is neutral. No protest is true but this is true in UK in Australia, in US you also cannot protest meaningful things too so all over the world it's no protest or jail like recently in UK and Australia and US. Human rights is medium for western own measures. China is not anywhere near bottom and some ways like one child policy I will say is true human right. Better treatment than India where you **** and give birth to whateve rnumebr and then everyone dies from overpopulation. Which one is more kind and more right to humans?

Anyway no one here is saying China is best country to live in so why even say these things? So what? If it's not best country to live in ,then we should all attack it? Then there are two hundred worse countries in many measurable ways. Should we talk shit about them and attack them and try to get them to give up their government and right to sovereignty? This is the bullshit I'm talking about. These agents pick on China purposefully. We never said it's paradise. We are trying to improve it. The government has serious internal and external problems with enemies inside and outside and social problems like terrorism. If too many people get murdered by terrorists you think they will be happy with government and not also commit crime and murder and then cycle gets out of control?

I cannot say CCP is right 100 percent and like divine. They are not. They are imperfect but have impossible job with the enemy constantly shooting at them. It's easier to think simple but hard to read through and see and learn and find understanding and empathy and then work with the other who looks and speaks different to really solve the problems. It's easier to simplify and then hate. That's what these 5 eyes fucking bastards do to the whole world. I don't know their plan but their history is bloody and evil more than the worst in Communist China's 1960s to 1990s history of blood and evil and stupid. These devils are 1 million times worse because they come with smiles and hide their poison. The CCP's policy in the past were evil and stupid and extreme and now we can only say they're just maybe stupid or do things too old fashioned and with too much force but maybe they will proven to be right and kind in long term. All over the english speaking world everyone hates and bash CCP. No one bash or hate the real powers. And then they say CCP cannot be bashed or hated on. Who is real devil and trickster?

 

[fisher1]

Okay sure we disagree on those political things. But for God and humans. Sorry if I don't believe your version or interpretation of God, you have automatically set me apart and you say I'm the one with hatred?? Fucking funny. I believe in higher things personally but I don't want to commit other's to my thinking on these matters. I can respect your's and am curious and like to learn. In fact I have spent time learning about Islam and these philosophies and faiths. I think learning is higher order existence also. I don't hate you. You assume I do because the enemies of Chinese people and today's government want you to. I understand because I see their propaganda and it is poisonous and powerful and effective.

I am a kafir and everything to you because automatically I am unless I must agree with you and be under the control of your leaders. This I do not agree with and so with your thinking we cannot co-exist but with mine, we can. I do not control CCP's policy on these things. Like you do not control your leader's. But I'm not calling you any names or saying you should have bones broken or worthy of hell or whatever. Okay you say what's the difference between CCP and radical religion leaders? In many authoritarian ways there is no difference but importantly one lives in real world and tries to solve real problems and another is purely in spiritual world. This is fine, I think maybe all humans carry these but for government, there is a difference to me. I still think I haven't seen evidence of torture or murder but yes I agree with you in that I see evidence of government action. How strong is hard to say and whether it is right or wrong is at the moment hard to say. We need alternative universe and future to tell.

Calm down, take a deep breath.

You said i am like a Hitler and ccp is justified in taking action because i use terms like Kafir and Mushrik.

So i simply explained what it means.

As for the rest of the rant, like i said i can't force you. To me, it's evidence enough. Coupled that with the history of China and brutal genocide of other minorities, what's happening in Hong Kong, the blatant hatred Chinese have against Islam.

So say The SAME people who claimed that Iraq had WMD that could destroy Europe in 30 mins. The SAME people who have killed some 10 million Muslims globally. But according to you that's okay but preventing radicalisation is not......

No, it's not okay. Don't put words into my mouth.

You're okay with Chinese oppression its Muslim minority because US lied about WMDs. You've some messed up justifications going on there, buddy

 

[serenity]

The difference is US is the one saying and spreading these things. That's why he said that.

Not sure why Chinese blatantly hate Islam. Will we have cooperated to these levels with Pakistan for over 50 years now? Helped and sacrificed in many cases? Will we have mosques at all? If we all hate Islam why do we even have mosque before and if we still hate now then why don't we burn them down or vandalise them? Why do Chinese muslims and Han muslims live and most live well??

We hate Islam then why we cooperated with Turkey and loans to many muslim countries for good deals and work together? Why we have a Joint Fighter 17 with Pakistan? Why do we enjoy Muslim food in many big Chinese cities like Xi-an and have an area called Muslim Quarter? Why do we marry Muslims??

Have you thought at all or is it all just simple one dimension of emotion to all your thinking? People and cultures are constantly evolving. I fear there is indeed growing fear of Islam and noticing of Islam thinking by the main Chinese groups who are not Muslims. But it wasn't always this way and you saying Chinese blatantly hate Muslims along with all the other truly hateful things you said about Chinese, that contributes to hate. If not hating before it will grow into hate and you will get your wish. I hope this never happens.

 

[fisher1]

The difference is US is the one saying and spreading these things. That's why he said that.

Not sure why Chinese blatantly hate Islam. Will we have cooperated to these levels with Pakistan for over 50 years now? Helped and sacrificed in many cases? Will we have mosques at all? If we all hate Islam why do we even have mosque before and if we still hate now then why don't we burn them down or vandalise them? Why do Chinese muslims and Han muslims live and most live well??

We hate Islam then why we cooperated with Turkey and loans to many muslim countries for good deals and work together? Why we have a Joint Fighter 17 with Pakistan? Why do we enjoy Muslim food in many big Chinese cities like Xi-an and have an area called Muslim Quarter? Why do we marry Muslims??

Have you thought at all or is it all just simple one dimension of emotion to all your thinking? People and cultures are constantly evolving. I fear there is indeed growing fear of Islam and noticing of Islam thinking by the main Chinese groups who are not Muslims. But it wasn't always this way and you saying Chinese blatantly hate Muslims along with all the other truly hateful things you said about Chinese, that contributes to hate. If not hating before it will grow into hate and you will get your wish. I hope this never happens.

Wasn't charity. China has benefited more from Pakistan and Muslims than vice versa.

China gains more from CPEC than Pakistan.

It's foolish of China to make Muslims its enemies when its whole world domination plans revolve around help of Muslim countries. This is probably why Chinese are doing their best to hide the truth and do propaganda 24/7.

PS: Mosques have been vandalised and broken down in Xinjiang. Islam has been called a mental illness.
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/china-islam-mental-illness-cured-181127135358356.html

 

[beijingwalker]

It's foolish of China to make Muslims its enemies when its whole world domination plans revolve around help of Muslim countries. This is probably why Chinese are doing their best to hide the truth and do propaganda 24/7.

You worry too much, not a single Muslim country is China's enemy, they all support China, many even went out of their way to issue official statements defending China. Actually China is a better friend to Muslim countries than Muslim countries to each other, we can help Muslim countries reconcile with themselves, many of them are sworn enemies to each other. even for Pakistan, you have Muslim neighbors like Afghanistan, Iran, Bangladesh, which one is your friend like China?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Calm down, take a deep breath.

You said i am like a Hitler and ccp is justified in taking action because i use terms like Kafir and Mushrik.

So i simply explained what it means.

As for the rest of the rant, like i said i can't force you. To me, it's evidence enough. Coupled that with the history of China and brutal genocide of other minorities, what's happening in Hong Kong, the blatant hatred Chinese have against Islam.



No, it's not okay. Don't put words into my mouth.

You're okay with Chinese oppression its Muslim minority because US lied about WMDs. You've some messed up justifications going on there, buddy

How many millions of Muslims have the Chinese killed world wide including Pakistan? Funny how you NEVER question american atrocities but comment on the Chinese preventing extremism.

Wasn't charity. China has benefited more from Pakistan and Muslims than vice versa.

China gains more from CPEC than Pakistan.

It's foolish of China to make Muslims its enemies when its whole world domination plans revolve around help of Muslim countries. This is probably why Chinese are doing their best to hide the truth and do propaganda 24/7.

PS: Mosques have been vandalised and broken down in Xinjiang. Islam has been called a mental illness.
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/china-islam-mental-illness-cured-181127135358356.html

Aljazeera is an anti-Pakistani, pro-american/indian news source. But you also believe that the Iraqis had WMD that could destroy Europe in 30 mins.

 

[vi-va]

Not my problem if you live under a rock.

Erdoğan, Joe Hattab, Indonesian envoy, Pakistani human rights minister, United Nations, several UN countries, ICIJ leaked documents etc etc etc have all come up with evidence.

I am supposed to believe they're all liars and Mushrikeen who openly show their hatred towards Islam are the truthful ones?

For me, this video alone is proof.

Time hasn't gotten so worse that the biggest mosque of a Muslim province would be where people dance and become a tourist spot walking with dirty shoes and not a single Muslim prays there.

I hope some Chinese dared try to do it in Pakistan, would beat all the bones in his body.

you believe what you want to believe. I live with a Muslim for a long time under same roof, we never had any problem.
In China, nobody care what your religion is as long as you don't bother other people. I can do anything I want, no one will bother you as long as you keep it personal.

Chinese has every rights and freedom, as long as it's personal. If you force other people and push your idea, make other people life hard, then you deserve a push back.

For those who want to blame China government for wrong doing, but never set their foot on China land, how ridiculously. you just are as easily brainwashed as those Americans.