Communist China is great !!

[beijingwalker]

It is not about Xinjiang, it is about China's management system. Some people dont have to drag religious issues in every China related thread.

 

[vi-va]

Stop torturing Uighurs. Allow them to worship and practice Islam.

Nobody is denying that there maybe a few troublemakers but putting all into concentration camps and wiping Islam from them isn't the solution.

How is it fair to make innocents suffer for the actions of few terrorists you can count on your fingers?

Maybe China will succeed in the short term but the hatred it will be generating towards itself both internally and externally will be far worse than what a few terrorists can ever accomplish.

I think China can leave Uighurs alone, but there are a few thing we need your help.

1. First could you please stop Turkey, EU and US from weaponizing/politicizing the ethnic issue.
2. Second please do us a favor to stop ME/Afghanistan from training/Uighurs rebel.

Last but not least, do you have thousands of fingers? Because there are thousands of terrorists caught because terrorist attack. In July 2009 Ürümqi terrorist attack alone, we caught hundreds of them with Chinese blood on hands, both Uighurs blood and Han blood. There are terrorist attack videos, victims, dead bodies, children who lost their parents, parents who lost their children.

If you can NOT do us the favor above, please leave us alone. We can solve this problem by ourselves, and no matter what happened, we will be responsible and take care of our people.

 

[fisher1]

I think China can leave Uighurs alone, but there are a few thing we need your help.

1. First could you please stop Turkey, EU and US from weaponizing/politicizing the ethnic issue.
2. Second please do us a favor to stop ME/Afghanistan from training/Uighurs rebel.

Last but not least, do you have thousands of fingers? Because there are thousands of terrorists caught because terrorist attack. In July 2009 Ürümqi terrorist attack alone, we caught hundreds of them with Chinese blood on hands, both Uighurs blood and Han blood. There are terrorist attack videos, victims, dead bodies, children who lost their parents, parents who lost their children.

If you can NOT do us the favor above, please leave us alone. We can solve this problem by ourselves, and no matter what happened, we will be responsible and take care of our people.

I am sure that the terrorism isn't as worse as it was in Pakistan. Yet, we dealt with it and wiped it out without re-enacting a holocaust on everyone. We had India, Afghanistan even Tajiks, Saudis and Uzbeks terrorists at the peak. India still sends its spies and terrorists and we have opened our borders ie Kartarpur corridor despite the terrorist threat.

Pakistan surveillance system and manpower isn't even close to China.

This Uighurs terrorism is just an excuse to systemically wipe out Islam and subdue the Uighur minority paving way for Han Chinese. Indians are doing the exact same thing in Kashmir.

You can tell China is just bullshiting about terrorism and all that shit because this Xinjiang will be open to Pakistan with CPEC. Isn't China worried about terrorists flooding to Xinjiang from Pakistan?

If China is so useless at fighting terrorism, it should ask their ally Pakistan. I am sure Pakistan would be more than happy to lend its help.

 

[beijingwalker]

If China is so useless at fighting terrorism, it should ask their ally Pakistan. I am sure Pakistan would be more than happy to lend its help.

Thank you, but we have already won the war on terrorism, Xinjiang now is terrorism free and enjoys great development and prosperity with booming tourism, so your offer of help is not needed.

2019 Global Law and Order Report - Gallup
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Law and Order Index Worldwide 2019

 

[fisher1]

Thank you, but we have already won the war on terrorism, Xinjiang now is terrorism free and enjoys great development and prosperity with booming tourism, so your offer of help is not needed.

2019 Global Law and Order Report - Gallup
How Safe Do People Feel Worldwide?

Law and Order Index Worldwide 2019

By imprisoning the whole population.

Yeah good job

 

[beijingwalker]

By imprisoning the whole population.

Yeah good job

You can check if there are still Uighurs walking around in Xinjiang, you can believe there are none though.

 

[fisher1]

You can check if there are still Uighurs walking around in Xinjiang, you can believe there are none though.

Do these Uighurs pray? Can they fast?

China is throwing practicing Muslims to camps.

 

[beijingwalker]

Do these Uighurs pray? Can they fast?

China is throwing practicing Muslims to camps.

When I point out your mistake, you just move to another equally mistaken subject, OK, whatever you believe, be my guest.

 

[serenity]

Do these Uighurs pray? Can they fast?

China is throwing practicing Muslims to camps.

There certainly are Muslim Chinese all over China not just in Xinjiang. These Muslim people are not observed in their own homes, in mosque, how can the government stop them from praying whenever they want? How can government know what they eat or not eat? So how can they stop them from fasting. If the government forced the Muslims to not pray and not eat, that is quicker way to make people angry and against you. I can't understand why you think the CCP is trying to force pork or no praying. How does that help but create anger? The reality is just those who are possibly linked to extremist are actually observed and during the day at most are forced into those forced education. It's better than USA that uses torture and then kill them.

I'm sure real terrorists are executed. But this is playing with fire. The CCP understand they cannot be forceful but because these centers exist, the westerners make it into something devious. Using this opportunity and pretend it is exposure. The real devil is one pointing fingers. Of course CCP has impossible job and can deal with problems in many ways but every method comes with compromise. How can anyone fight against ideology and ideology warfare against extremist? The Communist in past history were the same. Why would CCP look for trouble with Muslims? Are they stupid and crazy? Why would Westerners want trouble between CCP and Muslims? Every single reason.

 

[fisher1]

When I point out your mistake, you just move to another equally mistaken subject, OK, whatever you believe, be my guest.

Not another subject. That's the whole point and it doesn't seem like you understand despite being reminded constantly or you don't want to.

Uighurs who are atheists and farthest away from Islam are living happily fornicating, drinking alcohol, eating pork.

Uighurs who practice Islam are the ones that are subjected to this torture.

It's so worse that neighbours tattle tale on each other if one finds another praying or reciting Holy Quran.

China has a problem with Islam. That's why they're being forced to torture until they give up Islam and are released either voluntarily or medication.

That's why mosques are empty and dead instead there are "Muslims" dancing in front of mosques insulting the mosque.

Your secret is out buddy.

There certainly are Muslim Chinese all over China not just in Xinjiang. These Muslim people are not observed in their own homes, in mosque, how can the government stop them from praying whenever they want? How can government know what they eat or not eat? So how can they stop them from fasting. If the government forced the Muslims to not pray and not eat, that is quicker way to make people angry and against you. I can't understand why you think the CCP is trying to force pork or no praying. How does that help but create anger? The reality is just those who are possibly linked to extremist are actually observed and during the day at most are forced into those forced education. It's better than USA that uses torture and then kill them.

I'm sure real terrorists are executed. But this is playing with fire. The CCP understand they cannot be forceful but because these centers exist, the westerners make it into something devious. Using this opportunity and pretend it is exposure. The real devil is one pointing fingers. Of course CCP has impossible job and can deal with problems in many ways but every method comes with compromise. How can anyone fight against ideology and ideology warfare against extremist? The Communist in past history were the same. Why would CCP look for trouble with Muslims? Are they stupid and crazy? Why would Westerners want trouble between CCP and Muslims? Every single reason.

Uighurs are an issue. So far, Han Chinese are spared from this.

Journalists are monitored and stopped in Xinjiang, Beijing is fine.

 

[beijingwalker]

China has a problem with Islam. That's why they're being forced to torture until they give up Islam and are released either voluntarily or medication.

OK, if you believe China has a problem with Islam, that's fine.

 

[serenity]

Not another subject. That's the whole point and it doesn't seem like you understand despite being reminded constantly or you don't want to.

Uighurs who are atheists and farthest away from Islam are living happily fornicating, drinking alcohol, eating pork.

Uighurs who practice Islam are the ones that are subjected to this torture.

It's so worse that neighbours tattle tale on each other if one finds another praying or reciting Holy Quran.

China has a problem with Islam. That's why they're being forced to torture until they give up Islam and are released either voluntarily or medication.

That's why mosques are empty and dead instead there are "Muslims" dancing in front of mosques insulting the mosque.

Your secret is out buddy.



Uighurs are an issue. So far, Han Chinese are spared from this.

Journalists are monitored and stopped in Xinjiang, Beijing is fine.

I cannot say you raped my sister without evidence. How do you know practicing Islam Uighurs are tortured? That's such a big claim with no evidence. But if you do have evidence, please share with all of us. There is evidence of American soliders torturing Muslims for example. So something similar to that but with China. So far the worst we have seen are photos of maybe a few dozen Muslim men in classrooms and forced to sit in courtyards in these forced education centers.

 

[fisher1]

I cannot say you raped my sister without evidence. How do you know practicing Islam Uighurs are tortured? That's such a big claim with no evidence. But if you do have evidence, please share with all of us. There is evidence of American soliders torturing Muslims for example. So something similar to that but with China. So far the worst we have seen are photos of maybe a few dozen Muslim men in classrooms and forced to sit in courtyards in these forced education centers.

Not my problem if you live under a rock.

Erdoğan, Joe Hattab, Indonesian envoy, Pakistani human rights minister, United Nations, several UN countries, ICIJ leaked documents etc etc etc have all come up with evidence.

I am supposed to believe they're all liars and Mushrikeen who openly show their hatred towards Islam are the truthful ones?

For me, this video alone is proof.

Time hasn't gotten so worse that the biggest mosque of a Muslim province would be where people dance and become a tourist spot walking with dirty shoes and not a single Muslim prays there.

I hope some Chinese dared try to do it in Pakistan, would beat all the bones in his body.

 

[beijingwalker]

I cannot say you raped my sister without evidence. How do you know practicing Islam Uighurs are tortured? That's such a big claim with no evidence. But if you do have evidence, please share with all of us. There is evidence of American soliders torturing Muslims for example. So something similar to that but with China. So far the worst we have seen are photos of maybe a few dozen Muslim men in classrooms and forced to sit in courtyards in these forced education centers.

Egyptian journalist tells what he saw Xinjiang with his own eyes

 

[serenity]

Not my problem if you live under a rock.

Erdoğan, Joe Hattab, Indonesian envoy, Pakistani human rights minister, United Nations, several UN countries, ICIJ leaked documents etc etc etc have all come up with evidence.

I am supposed to believe they're all liars and Mushrikeen who openly show their hatred towards Islam are the truthful ones?

For me, this video alone is proof.

Time hasn't gotten so worse that the biggest mosque of a Muslim province would be where people dance and become a tourist spot walking with dirty shoes and not a single Muslim prays there.

I hope some Chinese dared try to do it in Pakistan, would beat all the bones in his body.

You are like Hitler and demonstrate why CCP take actions. You call other's mushrikeen... so we are all infidel or kafir to you. Everyone not you and your exact thinking is the other and the enemy. With this attitude you still have not provided any evidence just other people who think and use useful idiots like you. Radical mind. Erdogan is a dog. I won't trust that evil shit for anything. But that's just my opinion from what this man has done in past and is doing now in Syria and Libya and Greece. Also what he did to Turks too. I'm sure you think Xi is a dog. It's fine on that we can agree hahaha. So Erdogan says something it means God's word now to you. Okay you trust him fine.

Your best piece of evidence is western supported english speaking narrative from youtube channel. Even then still not showing proof of your allegation of torture. In fact it show opposite. Muslim was asked to remove the beard. Yes I agree this is definitely government action and proof of government action but it is proof of government forcing or maybe just asking some main visible people like store owner or community leaders to remove beard. It still does not prove what you're saying about torture. Please provide real proof like Guantanamo bay or the other real concentration camps of American where they torture and murder people. That's just the organizations, their soldiers do much worse.

Here we are trying to expose and welcome information on the education camps. I agree the method is harsh by many people's thinking just like one child policy but the alternative is more harsh for everyone and misery for all. We need proof CCP is murdering people in there and torturing but is this true? We don't know but you are already advocating a Chinese go to Pakistan so they can beat all the bones in his body. So that's assumed violence vs real violence.

Also another thing wrong with video is the 70 years claim. The history between ancient China and the nomadic peoples in that region go much back than 70 years. Communists regained the territory just like Tibet. But those regions were conquered much earlier and before the world gave birth to Marx. This is very dishonest because it ignores the past history and uses the etymology of phrase called East Turkestan which was never a real country or recognized by any country as a sovereign independent country in human history. Although the ethnicity of course was exist and had a very long history with China and with Mongolians.

Modern China is not Han. Han is just excuse to unify all modern Chinese peoples. Han history is small minority in east region dating 2 thousand years at least. Then through many tribal wars and fighting, slowly people just changed names and forced into one ethnicity. So many genetic difference in China unlike in Japan when you ignore the native or Korea. Mongolians than took over all of ancient China and assimilate into culture and invaded west. Now PRC took over from ROC Nationalist who were also many facsists like Hitler. Even the Taiwanese founder's adopted son was part of Nazi SS. PRC is modern unified China from the messy 4000 years of wars and tribal conflict. It is like European Union from 2000 years ago and because there are ethnic groups does not mean PRC will let them become own country to one day create another war. Sorry I understand Uighur people's anger in this case but they are part of PRC.