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Church’s Meddling In Politics Deserves A Response: India Must Derecognise The Vatican

R Jagannathan

Feb 04, 2019

The increasing interference of the church in Indian politics should make Indian government sit up and formally take note. It must either issue a cease and desist demarche to the Vatican’s representative in Delhi, or derecognise the Vatican as a state altogether. No country is bound to recognise any religious organisation as a state with sovereign rights in a secular world.

In many state elections over the last few years, church fathers have been asking their flocks to vote against the National Democratic Alliance (NDA). They have thus pitched their tents fully in the opposition camp. This happened in December 2018, when a bunch of bishops, pastors and priests from many south Indian churches promised support to the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam’s M K Stalin.Other bishops and cardinals have done so in other states (read sampler stories here, here, here, here, here).

It is one thing for priests to articulate their own personal political preferences in private, quite another to misuse the pulpit to influence elections formally.

One could counter-argue that various Indian gurus, babas and shankaracharyas often bat for various politicians. So why blame only the church?

The answer lies in one simple fact: the Vatican is a state, represented by an ambassador in India. And all cardinals and bishops are appointed by the Vatican. This implies that an outside state is appointing multiple ambassadors under the guise of practising religious freedom, when they are really trying to influence politics in India. This is unacceptable in a secular state. If Russian interference in US politics is unacceptable, one wonders how the Vatican’s interference in India is any less of a crime.

China makes no bones about the fact that the Vatican cannot appoint any priest without its concurrence, and any appointment that bypasses the government is tantamount to interference. Last September, the Vatican and the Chinese government agreed to a deal under which the former accepted all the bishops appointed by the Chinese government as legal, and future appointments will now involve both parties having to agree to the names.

What this implies is that the Chinese have formally recognised the Vatican as a state, and the Vatican has accepted that what it does in China must have the concurrence of the Chinese state. It is a state-to-state deal.

Even in the case of Protestant churches, though they no longer formally report to foreign bosses, the fact is that the Queen is the formal head of the Church of England, and the Churches of North India and South India are part of the Anglican Communion, where the Archbishop of Canterbury is first among equals, but without formal authority outside the Church of England.

Power in many Protestant churches has passed from British to American hands, and the latter have wielded enormous influence in US politics. They have managed to get laws legislated to make the US the supervisor of religious freedom around the world – though no country recognises this authority beyond a point. The United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) is one such organisation created by US law to interfere in matters of “religious freedom” all over the world. Since churches in India invariably feed stories to the USCIRF, they sometimes work against the government in power, especially those that are identified with Hindus like the Bharatiya Janata Party.

If the Indian government has any self-respect, it should send the Vatican packing and downgrade the embassy to a mere representative office of the Pope. A Christian version of the Shankaracharya deserves to be treated with respect, but not the kind of respect due to a head of state.

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/ch...a-response-india-must-derecognise-the-vatican
 
This is true. How can a foreign body appointed priest can support any political party in India? It's open law that religious places shouldn't be used to canvass for votes but it's being openly happening for decades atleast in TN. Including the Kudankulam protests. In some areas bishops and priests hold more power than a local collector. This communal interference should be nipped in the bud but all I see is political parties pandering to them as they have a lot of money.
 
This is true. How can a foreign body appointed priest can support any political party in India? It's open law that religious places shouldn't be used to canvass for votes but it's being openly happening for decades atleast in TN. Including the Kudankulam protests. In some areas bishops and priests hold more power than a local collector. This communal interference should be nipped in the bud but all I see is political parties pandering to them as they have a lot of money.

You saw BJP pandering to the church ?
 
You saw BJP pandering to the church ?

Yea. See in North East states. When there was a cyclone near Kanyakumari, when NS was DF she went to a church to get a list of fishermen missing and hold meeting with them. I mean I am against even temple priests fighting in politics and if they want to, they have to quit. But no religious figure should be allowed to meddle their influence
 
Yea. See in North East states. When there was a cyclone near Kanyakumari, when NS was DF she went to a church to get a list of fishermen missing and hold meeting with them. I mean I am against even temple priests fighting in politics and if they want to, they have to quit. But no religious figure should be allowed to meddle their influence

Can you show me how BJP is pandering to the church in the N.E ?

Also since almost all TN fishermen are xtians, and in the absence of any other organization that can give adequate information about the number of fishermen in the sea, NS did the right thing by seeking a relevant organization with the required data to help the fishermen.

Can you suggest any other organization that could have provided a list of missing fishermen ?
 
Church’s Meddling In Politics Deserves A Response: India Must Derecognise The Vatican

R Jagannathan

Feb 04, 2019

The increasing interference of the church in Indian politics should make Indian government sit up and formally take note. It must either issue a cease and desist demarche to the Vatican’s representative in Delhi, or derecognise the Vatican as a state altogether. No country is bound to recognise any religious organisation as a state with sovereign rights in a secular world.

In many state elections over the last few years, church fathers have been asking their flocks to vote against the National Democratic Alliance (NDA). They have thus pitched their tents fully in the opposition camp. This happened in December 2018, when a bunch of bishops, pastors and priests from many south Indian churches promised support to the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam’s M K Stalin.Other bishops and cardinals have done so in other states (read sampler stories here, here, here, here, here).

It is one thing for priests to articulate their own personal political preferences in private, quite another to misuse the pulpit to influence elections formally.

One could counter-argue that various Indian gurus, babas and shankaracharyas often bat for various politicians. So why blame only the church?

The answer lies in one simple fact: the Vatican is a state, represented by an ambassador in India. And all cardinals and bishops are appointed by the Vatican. This implies that an outside state is appointing multiple ambassadors under the guise of practising religious freedom, when they are really trying to influence politics in India. This is unacceptable in a secular state. If Russian interference in US politics is unacceptable, one wonders how the Vatican’s interference in India is any less of a crime.

China makes no bones about the fact that the Vatican cannot appoint any priest without its concurrence, and any appointment that bypasses the government is tantamount to interference. Last September, the Vatican and the Chinese government agreed to a deal under which the former accepted all the bishops appointed by the Chinese government as legal, and future appointments will now involve both parties having to agree to the names.

What this implies is that the Chinese have formally recognised the Vatican as a state, and the Vatican has accepted that what it does in China must have the concurrence of the Chinese state. It is a state-to-state deal.

Even in the case of Protestant churches, though they no longer formally report to foreign bosses, the fact is that the Queen is the formal head of the Church of England, and the Churches of North India and South India are part of the Anglican Communion, where the Archbishop of Canterbury is first among equals, but without formal authority outside the Church of England.

Power in many Protestant churches has passed from British to American hands, and the latter have wielded enormous influence in US politics. They have managed to get laws legislated to make the US the supervisor of religious freedom around the world – though no country recognises this authority beyond a point. The United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) is one such organisation created by US law to interfere in matters of “religious freedom” all over the world. Since churches in India invariably feed stories to the USCIRF, they sometimes work against the government in power, especially those that are identified with Hindus like the Bharatiya Janata Party.

If the Indian government has any self-respect, it should send the Vatican packing and downgrade the embassy to a mere representative office of the Pope. A Christian version of the Shankaracharya deserves to be treated with respect, but not the kind of respect due to a head of state.

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/ch...a-response-india-must-derecognise-the-vatican

UK should first derecognise the Republic of India for deliberate campaigns of interference in British elections on more than one occasion, using Hindu temples as a launchpad for this subversion.

You have this audacity to suggest India under BJP is a beacon of secularism defending the separation of church and state from the evil Vatican's influence in India?

It is common knowledge that the BJP and Hindu temples in alliance with the BJP routinely send agents to lobby for BJP's interests in foreign countries. Not only is this an example of religious manipulation of state affairs, but that too in a foreign nation where Hindus are immigrants, and moreover, these ostensibly religious temples are directly linked with an Indian political party.

"campaign has also raised concerns at the Charity Commission. Shekhawat said that OFBJPUK had been in talks with Hindu temples in the UK about campaigning on behalf of Conservative candidates too. But most of those temples would be registered as charities.

A spokesperson for the Charity Commission told openDemocracy: “The public expect charities to be driven by their purpose and representing their beneficiaries at all times, which is all the more important in this intense political environment. Charities must never engage in party political activity.”

The Charity Commission has intervened in the issue of political activity by Hindu temples before. Just before the 2015 and 2017 general elections, the National Council of Hindu Temples (NCHT) sent out emails urging Hindus to vote Conservative. The Charity Commission intervened on both occasions and forced the NCHT to withdraw its advice."

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/op...-nationalist-group-targets-labour-candidates/
 
Can you show me how BJP is pandering to the church in the N.E ?

Also since almost all TN fishermen are xtians, and in the absence of any other organization that can give adequate information about the number of fishermen in the sea, NS did the right thing by seeking a relevant organization with the required data to help the fishermen.

Can you suggest any other organization that could have provided a list of missing fishermen ?

The government and not the church.
 
The government and not the church.

I can see that you are now shifting your goal post.

A standard "secular" trick to escape getting pinned down.

Which BJP govt. is pandering to the church in the N.E ?

Also I am still waiting for the reply to the second part of my question.

WHo else was N.S suppose to contact to keep the fishermen safe ?
 

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