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Chinese state-owned companies are starting to default on their debts. It's a problem that could ripple through the country's financial system, threatening to slam the brakes on the nation's economy and hobble the global recovery from the pandemic.

State firms defaulted on a record 40 billion yuan ($6.1 billion) worth of bonds between January and October, according to Fitch Ratings. That's about as much as the last two years combined.

The problem has only gotten worse in recent weeks. A slew of major companies — including BMW's (BMWYY) Chinese partner Brilliance Auto Group, top smartphone chip maker Tsinghua Unigroup, and Yongcheng Coal and Electricity — declared bankruptcy or defaulted on their loans last month, sending shock waves through the nation's debt market. Bond prices have plummeted and interest rates have spiked, and the turmoil has even spilled over into the stock market, where shares of state-owned firms have been sinking.

It's alarming on a couple of fronts. First of all, the close relationships between these companies and local Chinese governments typically make them safe bets in times of trouble. If investors are worried that the state is no longer willing to support them, they suddenly become much riskier propositions.


Second, the success of the state sector is critical to China's financial system. While such firms contribute less than a third of GDP, they account for more than half of the bank loans offered in China and some 90% of the country's corporate bonds, according to data from the People's Bank of China and Chinese brokerage firm Huachuang Securities.
"The credibility of government guarantees has been the most important bulwark against [financial] crisis so far. Now we are seeing signs that this credibility is eroding," according to Logan Wright, director of China markets research at Rhodium Group.
Historically, Beijing has been reluctant to let these companies fail. The Chinese Communist Party enjoys tight control over wide swaths of the economy, including business, and it believes that the ties between these firms and the government are important for maintaining that.
Now, they appear to be willing to allow at least some to collapse. But too many defaults on loans and corporate bonds would leave the financial system incredibly vulnerable, making that approach fraught with risk.

"Although authorities want market discipline for riskier firms, they cannot know how much credit risk might create broader contagion," Wright wrote in a recent research note. "No one can know this line clearly, given that there is no precedent for this risk in China's financial system."
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If Beijing's ability to manage the debt is called into question, Wright warned that the fallout could strain the financial market, reducing available credit and liquidity. Already there have been some consequences: Bond financing dropped sharply in November, according to statistics released Wednesday by the People's Bank of China.

These problems could ultimately drag on what has been a fragile recovery for the world's second largest economy. While the International Monetary Fund expects China's economy to grow 1.9% this year, better than its big global peers, that would be the weakest annual rate of expansion in more than four decades.
The efforts to reign in risky borrowing "will weigh on the pace of non-bank credit," wrote Julian Evans-Pritchard, senior China economist for Capital Economics, in a Wednesday research note.

"While it won't derail China's economic recovery overnight, it will gradually weaken the recent tailwinds from policy stimulus," he said, referring to moves by the Chinese government this year to cut interest rates and free billions of dollars worth of spending to prop up growth.

'Inevitable' defaults
While the record amount of bond defaults this year likely has a lot to do with the coronavirus pandemic, China's state-owned businesses have been accumulating debt for years.

"We viewed these defaults as inevitable," wrote analysts at Nomura in a recent research report. They noted that the Chinese government has been propping up the sector with trillions of dollars in stimulus since the 2008 global financial crisis.
But those investments didn't generate as good returns as expected.

The shortcomings of state-owned businesses have been widely acknowledged. Such firms are often less competitive than their private peers and generate lower returns on investment, said Ning Gaoning, the chairman of the state-owned chemical conglomerate Sinochem Group, at a major political gathering in Beijing in May.

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China is the only country that is dependent on exports to countries where the countries they export to are in economic slump, YET miraculously China says the making hand over fist on exports from them, lol
 
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Tesla has been losing money for a decade. So? Its very simple just go to fortune global 500 and filter out the Chinese companies, go through their revenue and profit and then come back and talk to me.

US stock market soon won't allow Chinese companies that hide their numbers to be part of it (most all do). Yet another proof that china fudges and hides numbers

 
US stock market soon won't allow Chinese companies that hide their numbers to be part of it (most all do). Yet another proof that china fudges and hides numbers


See the hypocrisy? You allow a company losing money for a decade and yet you discriminate against profit making Chinese companies. You seriously think. We need US capital? We literally loan your government money mate.

You know how many loss making zombies in wall street? I for one agree on some financial discpline and punjish these companies. These companies were acting exactly like Tesla expanding without care and raising money like casinos. It's the same modus operandi mate.

Uber lost 8 BILLION last year, how many Chinese companies even come close, I think if you sum up all the Chinese zombies you won't get that amount, this can onky happen in the Wallstreet casino.
 
See the hypocrisy? You allow a company losing money for a decade and yet you discriminate against profit making Chinese companies. You seriously think. We need US capital? We literally loan your government money mate.

You know how many loss making zombies in wall street? I for one agree on some financial discpline and punjish these companies. These companies were acting exactly like Tesla expanding without care and raising money like casinos. It's the same modus operandi mate.

Uber lost 8 BILLION last year, how many Chinese companies even come close, I think if you sum up all the Chinese zombies you won't get that amount, this can onky happen in the Wallstreet casino.

Discriminate? LOL. Chinese companies don't open their books as other companies do in our stock exchanges...and they are being told that with a reputation of Chinese as being one who fakes, fudges, copies steals- they need to open up the books to assure the regulators that the company is not fudging its numbers. It's our country .. don't like it, kindly go to that FLOP Chinese exchange(s) :meeting:
 
Discriminate? LOL. Chinese companies don't open their books as other companies do in our stock exchanges...and they are being told that with a reputation of Chinese as being one who fakes, fudges, copies steals- they need to open up the books to assure the regulators that the company is not fudging its numbers. It's our country .. don't like it, kindly go to that FLOP Chinese exchange(s) :meeting:

Fake fudge like enron? Lehmann brothers? Mate, lemme tell you, there are bad apples on every market not just China. We don't have to use US accounting system because that was not the requirement when we listed, if you allow foreign auditors to audit your companies, then it compromises soverrignity, why don't we do the same to US companies listed in HK? Do you like that?
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Fake fudge like enron? Lehmann brothers? Mate, lemme tell you, there are bad apples on every market not just China. We don't have to use US accounting system because that was not the requirement when we listed, if you allow foreign auditors to audit your companies, then it compromises soverrignity, why don't we do the same to US companies listed in HK? Do you like that?
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Nice try. There is a difference between companies behaving badly and the state fudging numbers, asking companies to fudge them, and acting as a collective.

All those American companies failed; they were busted, our Free Press perhaps late in some stages, still caught up. Our laws, rules, regulations changed and became stricter. BUT China fudges, fakes, cheats, and promotes industrial espionage and stealing as a ' STATE controlled function.' That means a STATE/Government is involved in the fraud: a sanctioned and commanded function.

I get it; you, being born into servitude to the CPP, told what to say/behave/read/watch/believe from your cradle to the grave, will find it astonishing that the free world has checks and balances and rights.

A stock exchange audit in the US is about seeing numbers and books, not technology or IP. There is no attack on anyone's sovereignty in an accounting audit. Why on earth would we want those from you? We already have it; it was ours that you stole. It is necessary to make sure people buying stocks don't get cheated by companies that are padding the books. Other foreign companies are subject to audit, china refuses.

It's our exchanges, our rules, and you can try and hustle your stocks at the Shanghai exchange.

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Nice try. There is a difference between companies behaving badly and the state fudging numbers, asking companies to fudge them, and acting as a collective.

All those American companies failed; they were busted, our Free Press perhaps late in some stages, still caught up. Our laws, rules, regulations changed and became stricter. BUT China fudges, fakes, cheats, and promotes industrial espionage and stealing as a ' STATE controlled function.' That means a STATE/Government is involved in the fraud: a sanctioned and commanded function.

I get it; you, being born into servitude to the CPP, told what to say/behave/read/watch/believe from your cradle to the grave, will find it astonishing that the free world has checks and balances and rights.

A stock exchange audit in the US is about seeing numbers and books, not technology or IP. There is no attack on anyone's sovereignty in an accounting audit. Why on earth would we want those from you? We already have it; it was ours that you stole. It is necessary to make sure people buying stocks don't get cheated by companies that are padding the books. Other foreign companies are subject to audit, china refuses.

It's our exchanges, our rules, and you can try and hustle your stocks at the Shanghai exchange.

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State fudging numbers? You need to start understanding that listed companies in China are companies whether private or state owned, and they do fail. Regardless of whether they are either one, could fudge numbers, and thats the job of auditing firms, which includes the big four to audit these companies. Accounting rules vary by country but they are roughly the same, the problem herd lies in authority, a sovereign country will not allow another country to intefere in auditing their local companies.

And US accounting is not exactly gold standard mate, it's so complex, alot of companies fudge theirs.

When Chinese companies got listed, it was agreed accounting audit is done by the authorities locally but now due to the trade war, all of a sudden you guys changed the rules,
 
State fudging numbers? You need to start understanding that listed companies in China are companies whether private or state owned, and they do fail. Regardless of whether they are either one, could fudge numbers, and thats the job of auditing firms, which includes the big four to audit these companies. Accounting rules vary by country but they are roughly the same, the problem herd lies in authority, a sovereign country will not allow another country to intefere in auditing their local companies.

And US accounting is not exactly gold standard mate, it's so complex, alot of companies fudge theirs.

When Chinese companies got listed, it was agreed accounting audit is done by the authorities locally but now due to the trade war, all of a sudden you guys changed the rules,

Only a Chinese will fall that ridiculous excuse you've made...China is known the world over for fudging numbers approved by the CCP; hence your local audits are fraudulent and unreliable. Our country our rules, go sell your stocks at the Shanghai exchange.

 

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