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https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...-us295-monthly-salary-makes-them-middle-class

  • Statistics bureau gives rare official definition of ‘middle income’ that is met with ridicule online, forcing it to clarify that it applied to a specific report
  • Many people in the demographic struggle to keep up with high living costs

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China wants its middle class to counter an economic slowdown by spending more, but in reality many of them are struggling financially.

Their plight has again come into view after the National Bureau of Statistics on Friday gave a rare official definition of “middle income” – and it seems many people disagreed. The agency was forced to issue a clarification after its estimate was met with widespread ridicule online.

In its report on how different income groups spend their time in China, people who earned under 2,000 yuan (US$295) a month were in the “low income” category. Those on salaries of 2,000 to 5,000 yuan (US$295 to US$740) a month were deemed “middle income”, while a “relatively high” monthly income was 5,000 to 10,000 yuan (US$740 to US$1,480). Anyone earning more than 10,000 yuan a month was in the “high income” group.

Many Chinese have reacted with disbelief on social media.

“Are you kidding me? I make 3,000 yuan and suddenly I’m middle class? I think I’m low-income,” one person wrote on microblogging site Weibo.

Another said: “These must be average figures for affluent areas and the most underdeveloped areas – it’s not accurate to use specific areas for this.”

The reaction prompted a statement from the statistics bureau clarifying that the middle-income definition applied only to the report. “The term ‘middle-income group’ mentioned in the survey results has nothing to do with income brackets in the general sense,” the statement said.

Beijing has been hoping to expand its middle class and increase their incomes through tax reforms to boost spending power. Last year’s changes included raising the tax-free threshold from 3,500 to 5,000 yuan a month and adding new deductions, such as for parental aged care, though they were not seen as going far enough.

With a gross domestic product per capita of US$8,827 in 2017, ranking 73rd in the world, China is seen as an “upper middle income” country by the World Bank.

Although Beijing has never given an official definition of middle income – and there are wide-ranging estimates as to the size and economic power of its middle class – statistics bureau chief Ning Jizhe did provide a “loose definition” earlier in the week.

“A typical family of three, for example, might have an annual income of 100,000 to 500,000 yuan. There are 400 million people – or 140 million households – [in that income bracket] who have the means to buy a car, a flat or go travelling,” Ning said on Monday.

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But even at that level, some Chinese who might be considered middle class say they are barely making ends meet.

Dentist Shen Quan, who works at a public hospital in Anshan, Shenyang, said his family’s household income was about average for the province but he could not see them getting any closer to a middle-class lifestyle.

“I make about 6,000 yuan a month and my wife – who’s also a dentist at another public hospital – makes about 5,000 yuan. We’re not on the bottom rung, but we’re by no means wealthy,” the 36-year-old said.

Nearly half of their combined wage goes on kindergarten fees for their two daughters, at 5,000 yuan a month. Their mortgage payments are more than 2,000 yuan a month. Shen said they were only able to buy their home with help from his wife’s parents, who also helped them to buy a car.

“My wife is their only daughter and my in-laws give everything they have to us. We can function not because we have public hospital jobs but because of the financial support we’ve had from her parents,” he said, adding that they rarely went out to eat and they had taken only two family trips – to Beijing and Zhuhai. “We can afford to travel once a year, if we don’t go overseas,” Shen said.

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The so-called middle class do not appear to be faring any better in more affluent parts of the country, where living costs are higher. In Beijing, Zhu Jian, 46, changed to a better paying job last year and he now has a lengthy commute every day. The senior manager at a retail company earns about 30,000 yuan a month, while his wife, a school office administrator, makes about 6,000 yuan.

“You’d think that we would be pretty comfortable, but that’s nothing compared to what we have to spend. Everything costs a lot – petrol, food, my daughter’s college fees and a mortgage on our suburban flat,” Zhu said. “It’s tiring travelling across the city every day for work, but what can I do?”

He said he saved money by taking his meals to work, while his wife ate in the school canteen which is subsidised.

Those sentiments are shared by many people considered to be middle-class Chinese, according to Wang Xiaoyi, a researcher with the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

“The middle-income group, especially those who are young, don’t see themselves as such even though their income has reached a certain level. People who are not on low incomes also feel the pressure of living costs – they’re not enjoying the good life,” Wang wrote in Beijing Youth Daily earlier this month. “It’s as important to boost their sense of achievement as it is to lift people out of poverty.”
 
people who earned under 2,000 yuan (US$295) a month were in the “low income” category. Those on salaries of 2,000 to 5,000 yuan (US$295 to US$740) a month were deemed “middle income”, while a “relatively high” monthly income was 5,000 to 10,000 yuan (US$740 to US$1,480). Anyone earning more than 10,000 yuan a month was in the “high income” group.

To be fair, that's close to the World Bank's definition.

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$10 x 30 days = $300 per month
$50 x 30 days = $1500 per month
 
But the westner media always say that the Chinese believe and follow whatever the government says, to ridicule the government? Base on the westerners story, we will be shot on the spot.
 
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...-us295-monthly-salary-makes-them-middle-class

  • Statistics bureau gives rare official definition of ‘middle income’ that is met with ridicule online, forcing it to clarify that it applied to a specific report
  • Many people in the demographic struggle to keep up with high living costs

f378a8ac-216e-11e9-9b66-f8d7b487d426_image_hires_103636.JPG


China wants its middle class to counter an economic slowdown by spending more, but in reality many of them are struggling financially.

Their plight has again come into view after the National Bureau of Statistics on Friday gave a rare official definition of “middle income” – and it seems many people disagreed. The agency was forced to issue a clarification after its estimate was met with widespread ridicule online.

In its report on how different income groups spend their time in China, people who earned under 2,000 yuan (US$295) a month were in the “low income” category. Those on salaries of 2,000 to 5,000 yuan (US$295 to US$740) a month were deemed “middle income”, while a “relatively high” monthly income was 5,000 to 10,000 yuan (US$740 to US$1,480). Anyone earning more than 10,000 yuan a month was in the “high income” group.

Many Chinese have reacted with disbelief on social media.

“Are you kidding me? I make 3,000 yuan and suddenly I’m middle class? I think I’m low-income,” one person wrote on microblogging site Weibo.

Another said: “These must be average figures for affluent areas and the most underdeveloped areas – it’s not accurate to use specific areas for this.”

The reaction prompted a statement from the statistics bureau clarifying that the middle-income definition applied only to the report. “The term ‘middle-income group’ mentioned in the survey results has nothing to do with income brackets in the general sense,” the statement said.

Beijing has been hoping to expand its middle class and increase their incomes through tax reforms to boost spending power. Last year’s changes included raising the tax-free threshold from 3,500 to 5,000 yuan a month and adding new deductions, such as for parental aged care, though they were not seen as going far enough.

With a gross domestic product per capita of US$8,827 in 2017, ranking 73rd in the world, China is seen as an “upper middle income” country by the World Bank.

Although Beijing has never given an official definition of middle income – and there are wide-ranging estimates as to the size and economic power of its middle class – statistics bureau chief Ning Jizhe did provide a “loose definition” earlier in the week.

“A typical family of three, for example, might have an annual income of 100,000 to 500,000 yuan. There are 400 million people – or 140 million households – [in that income bracket] who have the means to buy a car, a flat or go travelling,” Ning said on Monday.

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But even at that level, some Chinese who might be considered middle class say they are barely making ends meet.

Dentist Shen Quan, who works at a public hospital in Anshan, Shenyang, said his family’s household income was about average for the province but he could not see them getting any closer to a middle-class lifestyle.

“I make about 6,000 yuan a month and my wife – who’s also a dentist at another public hospital – makes about 5,000 yuan. We’re not on the bottom rung, but we’re by no means wealthy,” the 36-year-old said.

Nearly half of their combined wage goes on kindergarten fees for their two daughters, at 5,000 yuan a month. Their mortgage payments are more than 2,000 yuan a month. Shen said they were only able to buy their home with help from his wife’s parents, who also helped them to buy a car.

“My wife is their only daughter and my in-laws give everything they have to us. We can function not because we have public hospital jobs but because of the financial support we’ve had from her parents,” he said, adding that they rarely went out to eat and they had taken only two family trips – to Beijing and Zhuhai. “We can afford to travel once a year, if we don’t go overseas,” Shen said.

4304b914-2170-11e9-9b66-f8d7b487d426_1320x770_103636.jpg


The so-called middle class do not appear to be faring any better in more affluent parts of the country, where living costs are higher. In Beijing, Zhu Jian, 46, changed to a better paying job last year and he now has a lengthy commute every day. The senior manager at a retail company earns about 30,000 yuan a month, while his wife, a school office administrator, makes about 6,000 yuan.

“You’d think that we would be pretty comfortable, but that’s nothing compared to what we have to spend. Everything costs a lot – petrol, food, my daughter’s college fees and a mortgage on our suburban flat,” Zhu said. “It’s tiring travelling across the city every day for work, but what can I do?”

He said he saved money by taking his meals to work, while his wife ate in the school canteen which is subsidised.

Those sentiments are shared by many people considered to be middle-class Chinese, according to Wang Xiaoyi, a researcher with the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

“The middle-income group, especially those who are young, don’t see themselves as such even though their income has reached a certain level. People who are not on low incomes also feel the pressure of living costs – they’re not enjoying the good life,” Wang wrote in Beijing Youth Daily earlier this month. “It’s as important to boost their sense of achievement as it is to lift people out of poverty.”

Oh wow, just another day in the US of A spilling garbage against someone else. So here is the interesting fact - 58% of the people living in the grand USA have less than $1000 savings. You heard it right folks - a miserly one thousand dollars!! And the news gets even more terrible - 32% of the Americans have ZERO savings. YES A GRAND ZERO SAVINGS by 1/3 of the US population!! Just imagine a SuperPower with a Super economy where people are literally SLAVES.

To me it points to a very real fact - US economy is in a terrible state, and the way it is going, unfortunately it will demise just like the USSR.

58% of Americans Have Less Than $1,000 in Savings
https://www.gobankingrates.com/saving-money/savings-advice/average-american-savings-account-balance/
 
They should also realize in 1100 usd average roughly 8000 cny chinese can do alot more in china that they could do in united states.

I was a part time english teacher making 8000 rmb (1100$) USD per minth along with a few americans when i used to live in north east china.

In 8000 cny i had an apartment a motorbike, ocassional trips and travel across china. Paying my tution fee myself. Electricity bills phone bills etc everything and still i had atleast 2000 rmb saved each month.

Those americans who had no jobs in united states used to flip burgers in usa florida and make average 3000 usd in america that wasnt enough for them tp afforrd an apartment or pay bills in unitrd states per month.

While in china they could have all these things i had above in just around 1000 usd. Average pricres of things and sevices is dirt cheap in china with more standard than in united states they used tp say.

While most of their friends back home via facebook and YouTube used to make fun of these americans for leaving 3000 usd pays and going to china for just 1000 to 1500 usd per month.

This article doesn't consider this side of the coin since they most likely never been to china themselves.
 
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They should also realize in 400 usd average roughly 8000 cny chinese can do alot more in china that they could do in united states.

I was a part time english teacher making 8000 rmb (1100$) USD per minth along with a few americans when i used to live in north east china.

In 8000 cny i had an apartment a motorbike, ocassional trips and travel across china. Paying my tution fee myself. Electricity bills phone bills etc everything and still i had atleast 2000 rmb saved each month.

Those americans who had no jobs in united states used to flip burgers in usa florida and make average 3000 usd in america that wasnt enough for them tp afforrd an apartment or pay bills in unitrd states per month.

While in china they could have all these things i had above in just around 1000 usd. Average pricres of things and sevices is dirt cheap in china with more standard than in united states they used tp say.

While most of their friends back home via facebook and YouTube used to make fun of these americans for leaving 3000 usd pays and going to china for just 1000 to 1500 usd per month.

This article doesn't consider this side of the coin since they most likely never been to china themselves.

China is a enigma at times you cant understand it too vast and complex
 
Saw this posting for an associate job while I was in Kunming. This is a road side clothes store. RMB6,000.:o:

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That is already more than in Malaysia which pays typically RM1,700 for a similar job which is less than RMB3,000 :(. And this is located in the Klang Valley. KL-PJ metropolitan area.

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Kunming is so cheap...
Exactly, Even in LiJiang which is an even more backward agricultural area, I was told that they pay RMB25/hour at the local Walmart store.

Compare that with Malaysia at RM8/hour which is only RMB14/hour. :cry: And this is at the Paradigm Mall.

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Oh wow, just another day in the US of A spilling garbage against someone else. So here is the interesting fact - 58% of the people living in the grand USA have less than $1000 savings. You heard it right folks - a miserly one thousand dollars!! And the news gets even more terrible - 32% of the Americans have ZERO savings. YES A GRAND ZERO SAVINGS by 1/3 of the US population!! Just imagine a SuperPower with a Super economy where people are literally SLAVES.

To me it points to a very real fact - US economy is in a terrible state, and the way it is going, unfortunately it will demise just like the USSR.

58% of Americans Have Less Than $1,000 in Savings
https://www.gobankingrates.com/saving-money/savings-advice/average-american-savings-account-balance/
Well they probably have their savings in stock and property .
 

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