In the end I don't really have much take on it....as both set of people I don't have a vested interest in (in fact one can argue I have more interest in the Chinese side). So I let "might makes right" apply....as "moral intervention" just brings greater immorality in the end and way more bloodshed.
@OsmanAli98
But does not mean we can dismiss concerns of both sides while this is all ongoing. Yes it applies to India and every large country in the end as well (just by nature of their size and history). The "newer" big countries got rid of this problem by doing the nasty stuff centuries ago (to form in the first place). The "elder" large countries are just in that timeframe...but more currently...so get judged by standards not fully applicable to them imo....given they inherited stuff from time periods they couldnt not exercise the same thing as those taunting them now... did earlier.
You bring up French Canadian thing....very interesting that you do. I shall expand more upon that at a more opportune time (as I know too many things firsthand now about it)...i.e both the similarities and differences to Xinjiang. You are smart one my friend.....glad you bypass the BS and get to the meat of the matter always. Wish more members were like you, your country deserves much more of you here....who go for the best quality discussion.
I hesitate to bring up the Americas because that is legitimately one of the largest atrocities in the history of the world, but like you said it is also a few hundred years ago. Whatever they or we did we are suppose to move forward as a society, this is definitely a step in the wrong direction.
I don't subscribe to the necessity makes right argument, wrong is wrong, there are certain things I can stomach, or is at least forced to accept, but that doesn't mean it is right.
Also something you may not know, these people in the camps are more likely to be pro CCP and Chinese identity after being free from the camps than a lot of Han Chinese, if they were hesitant or indifferent before. Western people may not know this, they think these camps may breed extremism, but they don't. These things really does knock the wind out of the person and really does brainwash them.
Brainwashing is not propaganda, that works on no one. Chinese people doesn't believe or care about the government's propaganda, but under the camp's conditions and the state of fear in general in the area, under the promise of a brighter future, the propaganda suddenly turns from boring article to a ray of hope. They want to believe it. Almost all of the hardliners in the CCP from the 70s to 90s had been prosecuted during the cultural revolution, even Xi himself.
Now there is an exception, had CCP fallen like the Nazi party, sure that might not be the case, but CCP most likely won't fall for a while, and even if it did, China is way too powerful for external interference at this moment.
Lastly, I may just be jaded as I age, but the people in government, if they weren't selfish and ruthless, how did they achieve their position of power. I was once willing to defend China too. But now it's just too clear that only a certain type of people and a certain set of policy can affect change on such a scale.
The same people who would lay off people who their predecessors or even themselves failed to educate or train to be an effective member of society in the hundreds of millions would of course have no problem with imprisoning a million people.
Now I don't argue that, but I just can't believe it is just for the sake of evil, because while destroying the livelihood of hundreds of millions and the lives of at least two generations, they made sure my generation and every generation after me can have the education and opportunity to make something of ourselves.
It isn't right, but it is what it is. This Xinjiang thing is less clear, but actually not more cruel if people actually knew what happened after 1979.
In terms of Quebec, I actually don't know too much about the situation on the ground, but I have suspicions, which isn't as good as first hand experience as always.
