China to send Italy 1000 lung ventilators, 2 million face masks, 20,000 protective suits 50000 tes

[beijingwalker]

How you know?

Coronavirus did not originate in Wuhan seafood market
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/sci...id-not-originate-wuhan-seafood-market-chinese

 

[AViet]

Is there a possibility to sue China? I mean, the fear of getting blamed for the virus is why the local governments in China tried to hide this deadly outbreak for weeks. During this time the Corona virus spread into other countries like Italy.

Whole world can see how poor Western government's actions have been (from UK, US to Italy), even when they had almost 1.5 months for preparation and gaining experience. Stupid, selfish, non-professional, inconsistent methods have lead to very fast spread of virus in the West, whose governments have changed their words in a matter of hours, from seeing it as normal flu and no need of treatment to dangerous. All they did during precious time, which could have been used for preparation, were laugh and point finger to China.

All the current cases (23) in Vietnam came from passengers from EU (21), Korea (1) and the US (1). None from China, thank to clear and consistent ways of isolation and quarantine.

the world will see, after this pandemic, which governments are more responsible and which system are more effective, not only during normal time but also in worst time. Stop badmouthing China and clean the shit in your backyard.

 

[UKBengali]

Coronavirus did not originate in Wuhan seafood market
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/sci...id-not-originate-wuhan-seafood-market-chinese

OK, we should have an open mind as it is critical that the source of infection is tracked down.

Do you know how much effort is being put in to work out where all known affected patients in China had been prior to them contracting the virus? This would be hard I know but may give an idea of which area/country the virus came from originally.

 

[dBSPL]

I do not want to get into technical datas and get confuse, but the necessity of connecting the new type of coronavirus to ACE2 receptors brings racial differentiation.

There are some studies on this subject. Even if the results do not have reassuring references, some differences about ACE2 were reveal. These rates are around 45% from Vietnam to Korea line, while in Europe around 15/20%. It is around 15% in Arab states. The lowest rates in Europe are Greece, Turkey and both are under %10.

Another research on the subject is as follows: According to this research, Turks and Arabs come to the fore.

In short, we need to understand how successful China and countries like Vietnam have been fighting against this epidemic. I regret to say that this epidemic was underestimated by the European states and all were too late. If you have some math knowledge, you can easily see that this epidemic will affect millions of people in Europe and US.

 

[AViet]

Is there a possibility to sue China? I mean, the fear of getting blamed for the virus is why the local governments in China tried to hide this deadly outbreak for weeks. During this time the Corona virus spread into other countries like Italy.

How come can you know this was "the fear of getting blamed"? From Western media? the world know that it has always been bias against China.

If your country, or better developed Western country, like Germany, suddenly meet this situation and see this outbreak without knowing anything about it, will the local governments immediately shutdown the city to prevent the spread and inform the world without knowing what it is and how danger it is. They would need time to understand before announcing the outbreak to the world. It is very normal.

The ones who should be blamed are Western governments, even after seeing the danger and fast speed of spread in China, still did nothing, out of fear of economy slowdown, of being responsible and of course, of getting blamed.

 

[UKBengali]

How come can you know this was "the fear of getting blamed"? From Western media? the world know that it has always been bias against China.

If your country, or better developed Western country, like Germany, suddenly meet this situation and see this outbreak without knowing anything about it, will the local governments immediately shutdown the city to prevent the spread and inform the world without knowing what it is and how danger it is. They would need time to understand before announcing the outbreak to the world. It is very normal.

The ones who should be blamed are Western governments, even after seeing the danger and fast speed of spread in China, still did nothing, out of fear of economy slowdown, of being responsible and of course, of getting blamed.

I agree that the response here in the UK has been pretty lax and now the country is going to go to some kind of lockdown mode with schools and other public places potentially being shut.

They have been allowing people to come in from Italy over the last month and all that happened is that they were given a form about the dangers and advised to take certain precautions. These people have been coming in and bringing the disease back to the UK and infecting others.

If only these people were ordered to self-isolate when the danger from Italy was known and all non-essential travel to and from Italy was banned then the UK could have stopped this disease from gaining a foothold here.

 

[powastick]

Is there a possibility to sue China? I mean, the fear of getting blamed for the virus is why the local governments in China tried to hide this deadly outbreak for weeks. During this time the Corona virus spread into other countries like Italy.

Suing China is a slippery slope. Because in the future nobody will want to report an outbreak first.

 

[beijingwalker]

Suing China is a slippery slope. Because in the future nobody will want to report an outbreak first.

Flu deaths up in the new year: CDCFlu deaths are up more than 65% so far in 2020, with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reporting that 4,800 people had died and 87,000 people had been hospitalized. ... In comparison, the 2018-2019 fluvaccine was roughly 29% effective.Feb 21, 2020

It's very strange for the sudden over 65% surge of deaths from the flu this year in US comparing to previous years, US simply just brushes it off saying it's just a bad flu year, but very like coronavirus had been raging across US for months before it broke out in Wuhan and many of those registered flu death may actually be from coronavirus.

 

[beijingwalker]

China sends epidemic experts to Italy to help fight COVID-19

 

[Mista]

It's very strange for the sudden over 65% surge of deaths from the flu this year in US comparing to previous years, US simply just brushes it off saying it's just a bad flu year, but very like coronavirus had been raging across US for months before it broke out in Wuhan and many of those registered flu death may actually be from coronavirus.

Don't be silly and use your common sense instead of reading those dumb conspiracies.

The number fluctuates from year to year:

The surge in the numbers of deaths is due to the surge in the number of infections, not in the mortality rate. That's an important distinction. 45 million people caught the flu in the US last year. If a large part of the number of infections are Covid-19, the mortality rate would shoot up, especially if the US didn't even prepare for it according to the conspiracy argument.

Mortality rate for flu: 0.1%
Covid-19: 3.4%

Not to mention 20% of patients who got infected by Covid-19 will be in serious/critical condition.

If it indeed originated from the US, their healthcare system would've collapsed and hospitals will be treating patients in the corridor like you see in Wuhan and Italy. Canada and Mexico which are next door neighbors would've seen a sudden spike as well. In China the hardest hit would be Shanghai and Beijing which are the transit hubs between China and the US, not Wuhan and some random small cities in Hubei which does not even have a direct flight to the US.

 

[beijingwalker]

Don't be silly and use your common sense instead of reading those dumb conspiracies.

The number fluctuates from year to year:

The surge in the numbers of deaths is due to the surge in the number of infections, not in the mortality rate. That's an important distinction. If it's Covid-19, the mortality rate would shoot up.

Mortality rate for flu: 0.1%
Covid-19: 3.4%

Not to mention 20% of patients who got infected by Covid-19 will be in serious/critical condition.

If it indeed originated from the US, their healthcare system would've collapsed and hospitals will be treating patients in the corridor like you see in Wuhan and Italy. Canada and Mexico which are next door neighbors would've seen a sudden spike as well. In China the hardest hit would be Shanghai and Beijing which are the transit hubs between China and the US, not Wuhan and some random small cities in Hubei which does not even have a direct flight to the US.

It was reported by Japanese media, US didn't do active testing, so many dead could be from this virus, now some postumous cases had already been confirmed.

If it indeed originated from the US, their healthcare system would've collapsed and hospitals will be treating patients in the corridor like you see in Wuhan and Italy.

The collapse of healthcare resoureces in China right after the government declared this virus was because of panic of the population, everyone goes to the hospital with the slightest symptom or no symptoms at all. If people don't know this virus and think they just have common cold, the hospitals will be ok, it's all panic mode at work, same goes to panic shopping.

Did you see those infected patients with mild symptoms in makeshift hospitals in Wuhan? they are perfectly healthy, they were there just for quarantine reasons, not for treatment, not even one patient died before they were all closed yesterday.

 

[HaMoTZeMaS]

Impressive China. The only issue is that you will never be able to wrest US influence away from European nations. When US saved them from Hitler, they (EU) became indebted to USA for life.

There are some things money can’t buy, and one of them is loyalty, hopefully the Chinese leadership can realize that and anchor itself towards buying hearts and minds, not just pockets.

Snakes always spit venom, nothing less

 

[Mista]

It was reported by Japanese media, US didn't do active testing, so many dead could be from this virus, now some postumous cases had already been confirmed.

Media from everywhere report anything. Just because it's reported by the Japanese it must be true? The WHO and even the Chinese authorities didn't claim anything, but you would rather believe in that specific Japanese media? Take other peoples' perspectives. If you weren't from China and isn't biased, would you believe in some random media which isn't backed by authoritative organizations?

From Ebola to Zika, even some of poorest countries in the world are able to detect infectious diseases from varying mortality rates.

It's been a century since the Spanish flu.

You are telling me that the US is so inept that it's unable to detect a potential pandemic and let it flare for months, until there's a sudden outbreak in China which more than 90% of cases are coincidentally concentrated in Hubei and not Beijing/Shanghai?

And coincidentally all of the imported cases from China in Singapore so far happened to be from the specific city of Wuhan and none from the US?

And somehow Canada and Mexico were unaffected and they can't detect the potential pandemic as well?

 

[beijingwalker]

Media from everywhere report anything. Just because it's reported by the Japanese it must be true? The WHO and even the Chinese authorities didn't claim anything, but you would rather believe in that specific Japanese media? Take other peoples' perspectives. If you weren't from China and isn't biased, would you believe in some random media which isn't backed by authoritative organizations?

From Ebola to Zika, even some of poorest countries in the world are able to detect infectious disease from varying mortality rates.

You are telling me that the US is so inept that it's unable to detect a potential pandemic and let it flare for months, until there's a sudden outbreak in China which more than 90% of cases are coincidentally concentrated in Hubei and not Beijing/Shanghai?

And coincidentally all of the imported cases from China in Singapore so far happened to be from the specific city of Wuhan and none from the US?

And somehow Canada and Mexico were unaffected and they can't detect the potential pandemic as well?

Before we can pinpoint the natural host, we should leave all possibility open, I never said that it must not be from China. China's top scientist 钟南山 said it may not be from China, he is a very respected doctor in China and won't just talk through his hat, so it's not pure conspiracy.

疫情不一定发源在中国
钟南山表示，“对疫情的预测，我们首先考虑中国，没考虑国外，现在国外出现一些情况，疫情首先出现在中国，不一定是发源在中国。

 

[Mista]

Before we can pinpoint the natural host, we should leave all possibility open, I never said that it must not be from China. China's top scientist 钟南山 said it may not be from China, he is a very respected doctor in China and won't just talk through his hat, so it's not pure conspiracy.

It may not be from China, but it may also be from China. At the moment most of the consensus, including from the Chinese government, is that the virus originated from China. Most of the imported cases in Singapore so far comes from Wuhan as well, and we are an international transit hub which receives visitors from everywhere in the world.

Don't get me wrong. I think China has done a great job so far and I'm impressed.

I'm actually defending China in other forums, but what tarnishes China's reputation are these kind of irresponsible remarks insinuating that the virus comes from the US or elsewhere.

You actually gain more hearts if you openly admit that there were shortcomings in the initial stages of the outbreak and work hard to minimize the damage such as helping other countries, like what the Chinese government is doing currently. Even Xi has said they could've done better at the start. I can tell you that some Europeans in other forums are grateful for the aid.

Instead of being stubborn, 强词夺理，硬拗，死要面子 like some Chinese netizens which isn't doing China a favor here, especially for countries which are acutely affected recently.