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CHINA SELLS A NEW LASER GUN

THE LOW ALTITUDE GUARD II CAN SHOOT DOWN DRONES AND AIRCRAFT WITH ITS 30 KILOWATT LASER

By Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer Yesterday at 9:01pm


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LAG II
Resulting from a private/public partnership, the LAG II laser is one of the most powerful operational laser weapons, initially designed to shoot down drones.

At the Africa Aerospace and Defense 2016 tradeshow in South Africa, Poly Technologies revealed new details about its lethal laser gun, the Low Altitude Guard II.

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Laser Truck
The Low Altitude Guard II is a more powerful, mobile follow up to the laser turret, one with potential military applications that goes beyond just shooting down drones to possibly defending against mortar and rocket attacks.

Built as a joint venture by the Chinese Academy of Physics Engineering and Jiuyuan Hi Tech Equipment Corporation, and marketed by Poly Technologies, the Low Altitude Guard I first debuted in 2014. LAG I was marketed as a law enforcement/counter terrorism tool, using its electroptical sensors to target errant and rogue UAVs. By knocking small targets down using lasers, the changes of collateral damage were reduced compared to explosive anti-aircraft artillery or missiles.

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Laser to Go
Despite its powerful punch, Chinese laser technology is compact enough to put a 30 kilowatt laser on a four wheel light truck. The LAG II is generally marketed as a counterterrorist/paramilitary tool, raising questions about how much more powerful actual Chinese military lasers are.:lol::D

Compared with its predecessor, LAG II is more apparently militarized. Its range is doubled to 4 km and has a 300 percent increase in maximum power output to 30 kilowatts. That's comparable to the Laser Weapons System (LAWS) installed on the USS Ponce, which has a range of 15-50 kilowatts for attacking UAVs, small boats, and helicopters.

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Surprise!
The LAG II has a removable dome that protects the laser's electro-optical camera and active components when not in combat (also good for camouflaging the laser when in transit).

Poly Technology representatives told media that the LAG II can be either mounted on a medium sized truck, or a 6X6 armored personnel carrier, to provide frontline protection against small drones. (The display in South Africa follows earlier state television broadcasts in November 2015 that showed that the PLA was testing the LAG II to defend against small UAVs and other aircraft). The LAG II's eletro-optical guidance system is suitable for knocking out drones (and possibly larger manned, slow aircraft), but would require more sophisticated fire control sensors to target fast-moving objects like incoming artillery shells, cruise missiles, and rockets.

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CH-901
The CH-901, a micro-UAV, just entered service with the PLA, but already being offered for export. While a useful recon tool, it can kamikaze into enemy forces and detonate its warhead for some quick carnage.

The push to market the LAG II shows an increasing trend by Chinese arms makers to export cutting edge technologies, which have only just entered PLA service or are still even on the test range. Its display also points to the trend of increasingly compact and powerful directed energy weapons that, just as has happened for US and NATO militaries, will equip Chinese forces in the not too distant future.

http://www.popsci.com/china-sells-new-laser-gun
 
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CHINA SELLS A NEW LASER GUN

THE LOW ALTITUDE GUARD II CAN SHOOT DOWN DRONES AND AIRCRAFT WITH ITS 30 KILOWATT LASER

By Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer Yesterday at 9:01pm


screenshot_2016-09-21_23.18.51.png

LAG II
Resulting from a private/public partnership, the LAG II laser is one of the most powerful operational laser weapons, initially designed to shoot down drones.

At the Africa Aerospace and Defense 2016 tradeshow in South Africa, Poly Technologies revealed new details about its lethal laser gun, the Low Altitude Guard II.

chinese_laser_truck.jpg

Laser Truck
The Low Altitude Guard II is a more powerful, mobile follow up to the laser turret, one with potential military applications that goes beyond just shooting down drones to possibly defending against mortar and rocket attacks.

Built as a joint venture by the Chinese Academy of Physics Engineering and Jiuyuan Hi Tech Equipment Corporation, and marketed by Poly Technologies, the Low Altitude Guard I first debuted in 2014. LAG I was marketed as a law enforcement/counter terrorism tool, using its electroptical sensors to target errant and rogue UAVs. By knocking small targets down using lasers, the changes of collateral damage were reduced compared to explosive anti-aircraft artillery or missiles.

screenshot_2016-09-21_23.21.01.png

Laser to Go
Despite its powerful punch, Chinese laser technology is compact enough to put a 30 kilowatt laser on a four wheel light truck. The LAG II is generally marketed as a counterterrorist/paramilitary tool, raising questions about how much more powerful actual Chinese military lasers are.:lol::D

Compared with its predecessor, LAG II is more apparently militarized. Its range is doubled to 4 km and has a 300 percent increase in maximum power output to 30 kilowatts. That's comparable to the Laser Weapons System (LAWS) installed on the USS Ponce, which has a range of 15-50 kilowatts for attacking UAVs, small boats, and helicopters.

low_altitude_guard_ii_2.jpg

Surprise!
The LAG II has a removable dome that protects the laser's electro-optical camera and active components when not in combat (also good for camouflaging the laser when in transit).

Poly Technology representatives told media that the LAG II can be either mounted on a medium sized truck, or a 6X6 armored personnel carrier, to provide frontline protection against small drones. (The display in South Africa follows earlier state television broadcasts in November 2015 that showed that the PLA was testing the LAG II to defend against small UAVs and other aircraft). The LAG II's eletro-optical guidance system is suitable for knocking out drones (and possibly larger manned, slow aircraft), but would require more sophisticated fire control sensors to target fast-moving objects like incoming artillery shells, cruise missiles, and rockets.

ch-901_2.jpg

CH-901
The CH-901, a micro-UAV, just entered service with the PLA, but already being offered for export. While a useful recon tool, it can kamikaze into enemy forces and detonate its warhead for some quick carnage.

The push to market the LAG II shows an increasing trend by Chinese arms makers to export cutting edge technologies, which have only just entered PLA service or are still even on the test range. Its display also points to the trend of increasingly compact and powerful directed energy weapons that, just as has happened for US and NATO militaries, will equip Chinese forces in the not too distant future.

http://www.popsci.com/china-sells-new-laser-gun


Brother, please send them to us I think IAF when seeing this news would Pi$$ in pants thousand times, before taking off or flying from their air bases, just to save their f-kin a$$e$ :rofl::lol::enjoy: :pakistan::china:
 
Chinese laser firms outperform European and US brands in China

21 September 2016

European and American brands including Trumpf and IPG are losing ground to Chinese laser firms in China, according to data presented by Guozhong Li at a meeting on lasers and material processing organised by the European Photonics Industry Consortium (EPIC). Li is deputy chief editor for the Chinese publication, Laser Manufacture News, and was speaking at the event in Vilnius, Lithuania on 8 September.

Trumpf’s turnover in China was €360 million, down 2 per cent for its 2015/2016 financial year compared to the previous year, while IPG posted sales of US $96.4 million in China for Q2 2016, equating to 4 per cent growth.

By comparison, Han’s Laser, which is based in Shenzhen in Guangdong province, had total sales of US $467.44 million for the first half of 2016, growing 22.7 per cent, while HG Tech, based in Wuhan in Central China’s Hubei province, recorded total sales of US $246.14 million and growth of 30.4 per cent in the first half of 2016.

The Chinese laser processing market reached US $6,837 million in 2015, according to Li, with Guangdong and Hubei the two main hubs of laser processing, making up 31 per cent and 21 per cent respectively of the Chinese market.

There are a total of 1,134 Chinese laser companies, Li said. The main sector is laser marking, although laser cutting and welding are both growing, taking 30 per cent and 15 per cent of market share respectively.

The price of laser equipment has also dropped considerably in the last five years, Li said – a 20W pulsed fibre laser that cost US $12,500 in 2010 has halved in price to around US $6,000 in 2015; a 1,500W laser cutting machine that would have cost US $180,000 in 2010 now is priced at US $100,000.:-)

Li was part of a delegation from the Guangdong Laser Institute Association (GDLIA) attending the EPIC event, alongside Ruohong Hou, president of Sunshine Laser and GDLIA.

GDLIA was founded in 2013 and now has 103 members. It signed a memorandum of understanding with EPIC and, in May 2017, will take part in the second EU-Asia Laser Summit, along with EPIC, in Shenzhen, China. It also has ties with Lithuanian photonics company Ekspla, one of the firms visited during the EPIC meeting in Vilnius.

Chinese companies are willing to adopt new technology from firms that are less well known than more recognised brands, Lynn Sheehan, director of global applications at laser producer NLight, said at the EPIC meeting in Vilnius. Sheehan has a lot of experience working in the Chinese market; 70 per cent of NLight's sales are in China, he estimated.

‘In Europe and the US it’s just the opposite; the adoption rate is slow, it’s very conservative, and brand recognition is a big part of the choice,’ he added.

The data from Li suggests that Chinese laser companies are taking advantage of the growth in manufacturing in the country, and becoming more important players in the global industrial laser market.

http://www.lasersystemseurope.com/n...firms-outperform-european-and-us-brands-china
 
If you can sell these Babies to Pakistan, So that we can test them on Indians. :D:tup:
Brother, please send them to us I think IAF when seeing this news would Pi$$ in pants thousand times, before taking off or flying from their air bases, just to save their f-kin a$$e$ :rofl::lol::enjoy: :pakistan::china:

Indians do already have, though currently in testing and not operational. Yet, well on schedule.
We will be honoured to get you guys as targets.:D
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Ask for details and source if anybody needs.
Ever research about Indian DEW projects, above photos are of DEWs are called "Dazzler" and "Aditya".
And please, avoid using such pathetic language for Indians till pakistan develops at least a laser pointer.
Namaste.:D
 
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Indians do already have, though currently in testing and not operational. Yet, well on schedule.
We will be honoured to get you guys as targets.:D
CN4wScyUcAEVaOD.png

Aditya%2BBeam%2BDelivery%2BSystem.jpg

Ask for details and source if anybody needs.
Ever research about Indian DEW projects, above photos are of DEWs are called "Dazzler" and "Aditya".
And please, avoid using such pathetic language for Indians till pakistan develops at least a laser pointer.
Namaste.:D

I doubt it will be operational in the next 10 years.

Pretty much the same thing with all the other Indian garbage produced by the Indian military industry.

Outdated before it even enters service.
 
I doubt it will be operational in the next 10 years.

Pretty much the same thing with all the other Indian garbage produced by the Indian military industry.

Outdated before it even enters service.
Intelligent person, I was targeting that pakistani troller, not you.
Anyway, the above laser is a TD nothing against actual one, and yes, you are right schedules are for operationalizing in 2024. And please don't troll over time. Nations who did before even took same time period to develop them.
And for being outdated, we are not a developing a single one but a set of laser weapons which only US, Russia and PRC do have. It can't called be outdated at all if we become world's 4th country to make it.:D
 
Intelligent person, I was targeting that pakistani troller, not you.
Anyway, the above laser is a TD nothing against actual one, and yes, you are right schedules are for operationalizing in 2024. And please don't troll over time. Nations who did before even took same time period to develop them.
And for being outdated, we are not a developing a single one but a set of laser weapons which only US, Russia and PRC do have. It can't called be outdated at all if we become world's 4th country to make it.:D

2024 will be 2034 according to Indian schedules from past experiences.
 
2024 will be 2034 according to Indian schedules from past experiences.
Why being a judgemental bigot?:P
For past experiences, our first helo (Dhruv, dus in all aspects) took more than a decade and the latest one (LCH) is counted among the best.
We took 11 years to make an advanced DDG Kolkata, then, came up with even better in just 4 years.
We took a decade for Agni 1, Agni 5 was there in 3 years.
From past experiences, we come to know that India takes time only in maiden attempts cuz we did not choose to reverse engineer.:D
Best example is slowness of our space program at start and the pace now.
And not all maiden were delayed either. So, is this because weapon has successfully been tested in time frame, provided that we already have some knowledge over laser and some other techs through civilian sectors.
 
CHINA IS TRYING OUT A NEW ASSAULT RIFLE

BACK TO BASICS

By Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer Yesterday at 7:00pm

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The Future of Chinese Firearms

Weihao Tactical, a Chinese computer game artist, shows a Chinese SWAT operator firing a new conventional assault rifle, mounted with a red dot sight and flashlight.

The Chinese military is trying out at least two new rifles to equip its soldiers for modern combat.

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Chinese Internet

QBZ-95

The QBZ-95 assault rifle is a bullpup rifle, firing a unique 5.8 cartridge ammunition. While its bullpup layout allows it to save weight, limitations include ergonomic issues with handling ammunition and firing the weapon from a prone position.

Currently, frontline PLA troops use the distinctive QBZ-95 rifle, which has a bullpup configuration. Bullpup rifles are distinguished from conventional assault rifles like the AK-47 and M-16 in that the receiver (the section of the firearm with the magazine, firing chamber and reloading mechanism) is located behind the trigger. This allows bullpup rifles to be shorter and lighter compared to conventional rifles of the same barrel length. However, the rearward location of the gun's center of gravity can make bullpups harder to fire for inexperienced users, as well as present difficulties in reaching to change magazines and or use safety and selective firing switches. Currently, Austria, Belgium, China, France, Great Britain and Singapore all manufacture and use bullpup rifles for their frontline forces.

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meirenjiao

Target Practice

These two contenders for China's next assault rifle share a conventional layout, with weight reducing polymer casing and plenty of room for Picatinny rails.

The new Chinese assault rifles return to a conventional layout, with the rifle on the left having a longer barrel shroud, while the one on the right has a more vertical trigger grip. Both rifles are likely to use 5.8mm cartridge ammunition, and appear to have parts made of high strength polymers. The selected assault rifle is likely to spawn a family of related firearms, including personal defense weapons, carbines, dedicated marksman (read sniper) and general purpose machine gun (the later two may have heavier ammunition cartridges).


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sinowarrior, via China Defense Forum

The Future of Chinese Infantry?

The prototype of prospective Chinese assault rifle is kitted out with everything a 21st century urban warrior needs; flashlight, scope and foregrip.

A more detailed photo of the right rifle shows it equipped with Picatinny rails. Picatinny rails are mounting platform surfaces attached to the side of a firearm; accessories can be bolted along the many traverse slots of the rails. Thanks to the rails, this rifle has a vertical forward grip, a detachable flashlight and a powerful scope. The rifle's fire selector switch (for automatic, burst and semi-automatic fire) is located behind the trigger, while the bolt/magazine release mechanisms are located above the magazine, providing a ergonomic layout for stationary and mobile operations. The increased length of the rifle offers options for installing accessories such as night vision sights, scopes, bipods, and bayonets, as well as more room for 'smart' rifle accessories, such as networked sensors and "smart" projectile launchers. Chinese troops may soon be carrying different guns, better equipped for the 21st century battlefield.

http://www.popsci.com/china-is-trying-out-new-assault-rifle
 
Why being a judgemental bigot?:P
For past experiences, our first helo (Dhruv, dus in all aspects) took more than a decade and the latest one (LCH) is counted among the best.
We took 11 years to make an advanced DDG Kolkata, then, came up with even better in just 4 years.
We took a decade for Agni 1, Agni 5 was there in 3 years.
From past experiences, we come to know that India takes time only in maiden attempts cuz we did not choose to reverse engineer.:D
Best example is slowness of our space program at start and the pace now.
And not all maiden were delayed either. So, is this because weapon has successfully been tested in time frame, provided that we already have some knowledge over laser and some other techs through civilian sectors.

Indian military industry produces absolute garbage. That is why all the components in those weapons are foreign which proves it's not even Indian weaponary. Even with full access to foreign technology India cannot produce a half decent weapon. The only Indian thing in those weapons are the paint job and even that is imported from China.

Also your mars probe was a joint NASA project using NASA technology. Without NASA help, India wouldn't get anywhere near Mars.

Just like Brahmos is a Russian Yakhont variant. Nothing to do with actual Indian technology whatsoever.

India needs foreign help for everything because it simply cannot create it by itself. It is woefully behind the top powers by a country mile. Foreign weapons with an Indian paint job is not 'Indian'.
 
Indian military industry produces absolute garbage. That is why all the components in those weapons are foreign which proves it's not even Indian weaponary. Even with full access to foreign technology India cannot produce a half decent .
I weapon. The only Indian thing in those weapons are the paint job and even that is imported from China.
That's the reason that foreign equipment penetration declined by 25% and Defence exports doubled last year.:D
For Chinese imports, just cut them down by 7.5% given industrial growth of India on 5 years high.:P
Also your mars probe was a joint NASA project using NASA technology. Without NASA help, India wouldn't get anywhere near Mars.
India already possesses it's own deep space network.
The reason we uses American network was Geographical and for the same reason NASA and ESA are using Indian meteorological satellites in near East and Afghanistan.:P
Even China uses European system for same reason many times.
Just do search about it.
I hope now you'll claim baselessly that all Indian satellites were paintjob and all Indian rockets are copied from ESA.:P
Just like Brahmos is a Russian Yakhont variant. Nothing to do with actual Indian
technology whatsoever.
We have our own parallel projects.
Nirbhay LACM/SLCM/ALCM.
Further even India contributed a lot for BrahMos design.
And just last month India became world's fourth country to test it's own DMRJ Scramjet. We are further launching our own hypersonic vehicle this December.
Only a few JVs like BrahMos in missile we do have, rest like AAMs, SLBMs, QBMs and everywhere, our missile program has own name and well on schedule. At least don't troll it.:D
India needs foreign help for everything because it simply cannot create it by itself.
So, we filed 3.5K patents in 2015, got 15 spots up in innovation index.
It is woefully behind the top powers by a country mile. Foreign weapons with an Indian paint job is not 'Indian'.
Whenever India went for a joint venture, it at least publicly provided info because we didn't choose to copy weapons without paying for copyrights.:lol:

You call Indian weapons paintjob without any source but forget to compare them ever with foreign weapons cuz it's Chinese stuff who's identical to foreign one.
More pathetic are the people who are "THANKING" your posts. Baselessly claiming about quality of Indian goods (China is famous in India for it's low quality goods, which may work at store and explode at home. Only advantage it has that it's cheaper in prize against Indian goods).

Anyway, you are uselessly jumping in the troll while I was replying to a ridiculously incompetent country (Pakistan) who just filed 16 patents annually.:D
Come up with some proof backing that India does paintjob or shut up.
 
That's the reason that foreign equipment penetration declined by 25% and Defence exports doubled last year.:D
For Chinese imports, just cut them down by 7.5% given industrial growth of India on 5 years high.:P

India already possesses it's own deep space network.
The reason we uses American network was Geographical and for the same reason NASA and ESA are using Indian meteorological satellites in near East and Afghanistan.:P
Even China uses European system for same reason many times.
Just do search about it.
I hope now you'll claim baselessly that all Indian satellites were paintjob and all Indian rockets are copied from ESA.:P

We have our own parallel projects.
Nirbhay LACM/SLCM/ALCM.
Further even India contributed a lot for BrahMos design.
And just last month India became world's fourth country to test it's own DMRJ Scramjet. We are further launching our own hypersonic vehicle this December.
Only a few JVs like BrahMos in missile we do have, rest like AAMs, SLBMs, QBMs and everywhere, our missile program has own name and well on schedule. At least don't troll it.:D

So, we filed 3.5K patents in 2015, got 15 spots up in innovation index.

Whenever India went for a joint venture, it at least publicly provided info because we didn't choose to copy weapons without paying for copyrights.:lol:

You call Indian weapons paintjob without any source but forget to compare them ever with foreign weapons cuz it's Chinese stuff who's identical to foreign one.
More pathetic are the people who are "THANKING" your posts. Baselessly claiming about quality of Indian goods (China is famous in India for it's low quality goods, which may work at store and explode at home. Only advantage it has that it's cheaper in prize against Indian goods).

Anyway, you are uselessly jumping in the troll while I was replying to a ridiculously incompetent country (Pakistan) who just filed 16 patents annually.:D
Come up with some proof backing that India does paintjob or shut up.

Nice try but you'll need to try harder than that, much much harder.

Your ENTIRE military is made up of foreign weapons or foreign components with an Indian paint job. This is a well known fact by the international community.

A member here called Martian completely exposed the fraud of the Indian defence industry a while back using Indian sources and Western sources.

He showed that practically every weapon India produces have technology transfers from Israel, Italy, Russia, France, US, etc.

What India does is import foreign components and get foreigners to build it for them and then shamefully claim it as India's own weapon developed by Indians. The other is that India gets technology transfers from many foreign sources and claim Indians developed it themselves. These are fraudulent Indian claims. That's why it's difficult to take any claims made by India seriously. This is the same country that said it will put a man on the moon by 2020. Yes, a man on the MOON by 2020. Indians are untrustworthy.

India don't even have the decency to properly acknowledge the foreign contribution to nearly every weapon in the Indian military.

India only provides the cash to practically all the weapons projects with foreign countries. The Brahmos project was developed with Russia using Yakhont technology. Russia don't need to learn a damn thing from India in missile technology.

India don't have the knowledge, technology, industry to develop its own weapons. Foreigners give 95-99% of the project assistance (technology and know-how) and guidance. The only thing India provides is money and a paint job using imported paint from China.

A NASA engineer admitted on TV during that mars mission that the mars probe was made with NASA technology to advance Indian-US space cooperation. It was a joint project with NASA where NASA engineers guided that entire project from start to end. Just like the Brahmos project was a joint project with Russia guided by Russian engineers from start to end. Only delusional Indians actually believe India can independently send a mars probe. Dream on.
 
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Nice try but you'll need to try harder than that, much much harder.

Your ENTIRE military is made up of foreign weapons or foreign components with an Indian paint job. This is a well known fact by the international community.

A member here called Martian completely exposed the fraud of the Indian defence industry a while back using Indian sources and Western sources.

He showed that practically every weapon India produces have technology transfers from Israel, Italy, Russia, France, US, etc.

What India does is import foreign components and get foreigners to build it for them and then shamefully claim it as India's own weapon developed by Indians. The other is that India gets technology transfers from many foreign sources and claim Indians developed it themselves. These are fraudulent Indian claims. That's why it's difficult to take any claims made by India seriously. This is the same country that said it will put a man on the moon by 2020. Yes, a man on the MOON by 2020. Indians are untrustworthy.

India don't even have the decency to properly acknowledge the foreign contribution to nearly every weapon in the Indian military.

India only provides the cash to practically all the weapons projects with foreign countries. The Brahmos project was developed with Russia using Yakhont technology. Russia don't need to learn a damn thing from India in missile technology.

India don't have the knowledge, technology, industry to develop its own weapons. Foreigners give 95-99% of the project assistance (technology and know-how) and guidance. The only thing India provides is money and a paint job using imported paint from China.

A NASA engineer admitted on TV during that mars mission that the mars probe was made with NASA technology to advance Indian-US space cooperation. It was a joint project with NASA where NASA engineers guided that entire project from start to end. Just like the Brahmos project was a joint project with Russia guided by Russian engineers from start to end. Only delusional Indians actually believe India can independently send a mars probe. Dream on.
Frustrated guy or seems in a bad mood.
What the heck?
Annually filing 3.5K patents and some of largest research facilities, at least don't need your certificate.
We further have some devices in R&D facilities which can only be paint job of alien stuff because west doesn't have it. Like a collider bigger than CERN's LHD (largest in the world) and you cant call it paint job.:D

I can provide enough statistics for explaining of what our military is made off but I'm not here to handle your fantasies and conspiracy theories.
For your dear friend "MARTIAN", he is now a days found on D-F-I (Defence Forum India) where his fraud is itself getting exposed. You can go and meet him there.:D
I'm well familiar with your friend. He provided the proofs of initiation (further development was done by Indian itself which even @Martian didn't object ), of Indian projects from foreign roots.
I provided the links of China's entire defense and civil industries like automobiles which were started over foreign designs.:D Even before the civil war, planes to cars everything.

In fact, every Eastern Country had to initially get foreign assistance because newly formed republics can't start flying from mid air. You need a base before further enhancement of tech. China is no exception but even higher than India who had to adopt Soviet Car designs as China simply doesn't owe any.

India annually invests billions for further enhancing technical capabilities, patents, annual research papers say everything but for your baseless and ridiculous claims, I can also claim 100% Chinese tech was made in former USSR, Russia and Europe.
I can also declare entire PRC a sidekick Russia with zero technical knowledge without any source, proof basis etc..
Imported paint? Nah! we export it to your friends for paint jobs. But nothing to boast off, it's just paint after all.:P.
If you can't differentiate between missiles, don't bring silly comparisons here, because I've enough knowledge of defense issue to expose who actually does the paint job.

For your false claim about Indian Mars Missions, I won't even ask for a source (you can't provide either :D) because like other maiden projects, because it's (and AstroSat's) h
payloads took 15 years.
Congratulations, our this project was also delayed long ago (actually 90s) but it occurred.:D

AFAIK China also had plans to land on Moon in 2020 few years ago, What happened? Plan changes into a sample return mission.:azn:

I know that you'll again come up with calling it all paint job and will troll India over using VLBI over GMRT (only if you know the meanings of VLBI and GMRT),
just explain that why China has to use ESTRACK even after having such a large space agency with human spaceflight capability? China had to lease British satellites launched by India under DMC3 program because it falls short in earth imaging.
Reply before some mod bans me and if you are going to come up with a similar reply as that of above one, please don't waste your time because I won't even respond.
 
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