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China seeks better military ties with India

Russia and India is fine and, similarly, Russia and China is fine, but not Russia, China and India. It doesn't work. Although i have to commend the Chinese side for this initiative.

It was not there Initiative but there turn to make a decision.
After the stapled visa thing and India cutting off ties do u thing of India as diplomatically Immature that it would have gone back on decision.
Thats not how foreign policy works. China made the only move that was practical.
 
That is because we have their most wanted man in our soil. If Lama is a real hero, he should have not fled to India, causing India greater problems. We have a habit of saving anyone who comes to our door steps and beg for mercy and Lama used it.

wow- in the world affairs forum you were preaching about the US does not come to aid of innocent countries and populous and how bad it is blah blah and here you selling a non violent man to the dogs. simply wow! hmmm...seem to be on board with all conspiracies the Pakistani articles put out about the US and seem to be all for the Chinese meme about Dalia lama here...

I agree with this topic, they have always poked their nose into every country where ever they find an opportunity to gain some resource or money. but as a supper power have never intervened in to war crimes against humanity any where in the world as a supper power they should be playing the role of a leader to stop violence but not to consume the worlds resources for its own prosperity.
 
I don't want to be on top of any one, All what I want is no more suffering for any one be it Indians, Pakistanis or any one from the world. If invading Tibet was a issue, the UN along with US, USSR and the rest of the world should have opposed China unanimously. The issue is that the UN is just a puppet body that does nothing other than writing reports that some event happened in some place and we can not find what is the reason,.
Peace and the absence of suffering comes only after being strong and ready to fight for justice. Talking ain;t going to cut it brah...look at Tibet..



Listen in the real world, there are is a choice. To strive to be on top or to be on the bottom. Choose one. If you say you don;t want suffering, your mindset has to be one of being on "top". When the Tibet incident happened it was during the Cold War and quite franly many countries were not in a position to do anything more than issue condemnations, which poured in from all over the world. The key part I want you to take, is that you have to be ready for anything and that means in India's case to get to the top, so that it can at least get the ball moving to reach strgetic parity with other major parties. We have a big population, big economy and a big mouth but we need to be powerful so our terrible losses in the past never repeat.
 
Dwelling on the past won't achieve anything. What happened in Tibet was wrong and India made a right decision of providing Dalai Lama and other Tibetans shelter but allowing him to run a government in exile was a wrong move. China has time and again tried to negotiate but our beloved netas refused.

Remember, Chinese fought two bloody wars with Americans and yet a few years later they were at peace with the Americans. Americans tried to nuke us 4 decades back and now they are selling us their latest fighter. Its in the interest of both countries to forget the past and build a new future.
 
It is certainly an important confidence building measure . If at all there is a slight possibility of conflict it is due to the perceptions of PLA thinktanks that India is conniving with Western powers aka America to surround China and "must be taught a lesson " et cetera et cetera....

The Border dispute can be resolved through negotiations.

So these military relations should go a long way in alleviating some of their concerns. Not that either they or we will ever drop our guard because of this but it will certainly keep relations stable and reassuring.

Dude I am not advocating fight either, what I am trying to understand why military contact is needed? Confidence building can be done in other areas too. I am trying to understand the significance and not advocating not doing it. Hope someone can help me.

Obviously we are not going to train each other, neither we are going to share military secrets, so what are we going to do in this contact? This is what I am trying to find out.

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Dwelling on the past won't achieve anything. What happened in Tibet was wrong and India made a right decision of providing Dalai Lama and other Tibetans shelter but allowing him to run a government in exile was a wrong move. China has time and again tried to negotiate but our beloved netas refused.

Remember, Chinese fought two bloody wars with Americans and yet a few years later they were at peace with the Americans. Americans tried to nuke us 4 decades back and now they are selling us their latest fighter. Its in the interest of both countries to forget the past and build a new future.

What was China purposing and what did we not accepted? I would prefer to settle things with China.
 
Remember, Chinese fought two bloody wars with Americans and yet a few years later they were at peace with the Americans. Americans tried to nuke us 4 decades back and now they are selling us their latest fighter. Its in the interest of both countries to forget the past and build a new future.

Good point. :tup:

It's not necessary to become friends, but it is always good to have mutual cooperation.
 
China has been deploying thousands of soldiers in the strategic Gilgit-Baltistan, a mountainous area in northern Pakistan, and a region historically contested by Pakistan, India and its inhabitants.

Although cooperation between Pakistan and China is not new -- it was China in the 1970s that supported Pakistan's attempts to acquire its nuclear capability -- the deployment of Chinese troops in Pakistan, however, indicates a worrying alliance for the US. The US would do well to monitor these developments before a catastrophic scenario, especially for its troops, takes place.

The presence of the Chinese People's Liberation Army [PLA] in the contested Gilgit-Baltistan region, where a nascent revolt against the Pakistani rule is taking place, constitutes the direct involvement of Beijing in the dispute over Kashmir, making any future understanding between Pakistan and India more difficult, and can only arouse a new and serious rift between New Delhi and Beijing.

According to Mumtaz Khan, director for the International Centre of Peace and Democracy in Toronto, many Western analysts who view China's stance merely as a bargaining chip against India will unfortunately soon realize that China is redefining its priorities and interests in South Asia and beyond.

"The current involvement of China in Gilgit-Baltistan and Pakistan administered Kashmir consists of more than just providing military and diplomatic support to Pakistan. Soon, Pakistan will swap its role to take the backseat as China exerts itself as a major player in the Kashmir issue" and maybe also in Afghani one.
http://www.hudson-ny.org/1918/china-pakistan-usa-war
 
china isn't trying to be all buddy buddy with india. this is so that we don't accidentally start WWIII.

i think this is in india's interests too.
 
Dude I am not advocating fight either, what I am trying to understand why military contact is needed? Confidence building can be done in other areas too. I am trying to understand the significance and not advocating not doing it. Hope someone can help me.

Obviously we are not going to train each other, neither we are going to share military secrets, so what are we going to do in this contact? This is what I am trying to find out.


Its a confidence building measure , we might have counter terrorism training together , joint training between two armed forces is currently the best way to remove mutual suspicions . Otherwise with aggressive border patrolling by China and if India responds in kind , and in the event of any untoward incident , it will be a tense standoff once again.

Of course we dont need to share any military secrets.
 
That is because we have their most wanted man in our soil. If Lama is a real hero, he should have not fled to India, causing India greater problems. We have a habit of saving anyone who comes to our door steps and beg for mercy and Lama used it.
And that is a great virtue to have and it is something which Indians must feel proud about. It is not an act which needs to be regretted.
 
wow- in the world affairs forum you were preaching about the US does not come to aid of innocent countries and populous and how bad it is blah blah and here you selling a non violent man to the dogs. simply wow! hmmm...seem to be on board with all conspiracies the Pakistani articles put out about the US and seem to be all for the Chinese meme about Dalia lama here...

India was and is in no position to take on a fight with the Chinese(so is China) and India is not a world leader, she is a good player in the south asian region. Why did not the Americans(the so called global leader) come to help the Lama or for the cause of Tibet. China occupied Tibet but they did it with less leathal force when compared to the Americans and they would have arrested Lama but would have made him a free man in China as a Chinese National.

and do not accuse the Chinese to some thing that you have equated to. America is not acting like a global leader is my allegation. with so much power and influence they should be spreading peace and love, but they are grooming hatred and they are the reason that young people in the uneducated islamic world take arms to fight as they are motivated emotionally when they see so many dead by shelling and drone attack which land on civilian structures instead of the targed they are seeking.
 
Peace and the absence of suffering comes only after being strong and ready to fight for justice. Talking ain;t going to cut it brah...look at Tibet..



Listen in the real world, there are is a choice. To strive to be on top or to be on the bottom. Choose one. If you say you don;t want suffering, your mindset has to be one of being on "top". When the Tibet incident happened it was during the Cold War and quite franly many countries were not in a position to do anything more than issue condemnations, which poured in from all over the world. The key part I want you to take, is that you have to be ready for anything and that means in India's case to get to the top, so that it can at least get the ball moving to reach strgetic parity with other major parties. We have a big population, big economy and a big mouth but we need to be powerful so our terrible losses in the past never repeat.

So you mean, having a stronger weapon than the guy next to you makes you the topper and using it reduces the world from future suffering. so you are aiming for a peace by killing a few thousand today.
what if your family member is one among them, is this what Jesus, or Allha or Krishna or Budha wanted from us.
 

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