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China, Russia, Iran: Ports and Power Along the Belt and Road

You do not know what the Russians will export or import. You do not know with which countries they are going to trade. but you expect CPEC to be big and important for Russia. Talk about blowing hot air.

There is nothing significant for Russia to export. Russia is not shipping weapons on NSTC or CPEC route. Neither are they shipping petroluem or natural gas to the Indian Ocean.

This is a good visualization of Russia's trading partners
http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/rus/#Destinations

There is virtually zero trade with Indian Ocean countries minus India

I think you are not paying attention on what is the context. You are amusing some other things, where I am comparing trade routes only.

For You: According to 2017 figures

There are 19 countries Russia is importing more then India. India is on number 20
The total Import however is 182,781,964.81 (US$ Thousand)

There are 16 countries Russia's export more then India. India is on number 17
Export (US$ Thousand) 343,907,651.83

I don't like to copy the list of countries here. So finding out facts are not hard, but my point is not that.
 
I think you are not paying attention on what is the context. You are amusing some other things, where I am comparing trade routes only.

For You: According to 2017 figures

There are 19 countries Russia is importing more then India. India is on number 20
The total Import however is 182,781,964.81 (US$ Thousand)

There are 16 countries Russia's export more then India. India is on number 17
Export (US$ Thousand) 343,907,651.83

I don't like to copy the list of countries here. So finding out facts are not hard, but my point is not that.

Why would you not want to list out the countries ?

I will list those countries for you

Netherlands
Germany
Italy
Belarus
Poland
Ukraine
UK
France
China
Japan
S. Korea
Turkey
Kazakhstan
USA
Finland

Tell us which of these countries are going to use CPEC to trade with Russia
 
Why would you not want to list out the countries ?

I will list those countries for you

Netherlands
Germany
Italy
Belarus
Poland
Ukraine
UK
France
China
Japan
S. Korea
Turkey
Kazakhstan
USA
Finland

Tell us which of these countries are going to use CPEC to trade with Russia

1) Why you are so sure that in future Russia will not expend it's import and export with other countries if possible?
2) CPEC is Pakistan and Chinese project, so does it means other countries cannot avail it? for example Why IRAN is in CPEC where they can use Chabahar project for the themselves?

So what you are saying is.
I am not going to a shopping mall at my door step just because I am use to purchasing from somewhere else. some people try new opportunities in life, some don't.

By the way the list you are providing is very short.

Russian Imports:
Middle East & North Africa = 2,487,629.99
Sub-Saharan Africa = 1,382,851.09

Russian Export:
Middle East & North Africa = 14,438,344.11
Sub-Saharan Africa = 1,730,231.34

So yes Russian trade figures prove that there is prospect for Russia to expend these trade partners and in volumes in future.
 
The recent initiatives by India, Iran and Russia, supported by the countries of Central Asia and also Turkey, Armenia and Azerbaijan, provides a favorable atmosphere to re-activate and realise the full potential of the INSTC. However, without sustained efforts by the member states to address the bottlenecks, it will only remain an ambitious plan, an unfulfilled connectivity project.

The initiatives taken to enhance connectivity through INSTC will get a further boost during the 6th INSTC Coordination Council meeting along with the 7th Expert Committee meeting to be held on August 19-21, 2015 in New Delhi.

http://www.idsa.in/issuebrief/InternationalNorthSouthTransportCorridor_msroy_180815


India begins transportation to Russia through Azerbaijan

http://www.azernews.az/business/105766.html

Railroad Connecting Iran, Azerbaijan Comes into Operation

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/...nnecting-iran-azerbaijan-comes-into-operation

 
it's in their interests to be part of OBOR.



Mineral, oil & gas from Siberia, bring pipeline to Gwadar port and load into tankers, Russia can have an trade road access to Arabian Sea then export to South Asia and South East Asia...which it's not bad at all.
You are suggesting to build a pipeline from east to south west and then ship it towards east again... Genious... 8-)
 
1) Why you are so sure that in future Russia will not expend it's import and export with other countries if possible?
2) CPEC is Pakistan and Chinese project, so does it means other countries cannot avail it? for example Why IRAN is in CPEC where they can use Chabahar project for the themselves?

So what you are saying is.
I am not going to a shopping mall at my door step just because I am use to purchasing from somewhere else. some people try new opportunities in life, some don't.

By the way the list you are providing is very short.

Russian Imports:
Middle East & North Africa = 2,487,629.99
Sub-Saharan Africa = 1,382,851.09

Russian Export:
Middle East & North Africa = 14,438,344.11
Sub-Saharan Africa = 1,730,231.34

So yes Russian trade figures prove that there is prospect for Russia to expend these trade partners and in volumes in future.


It could be other way too. Any trade with India would pass through Iran. Russia, Iran and Indiaare founding members of the INSTC project and India is the biggest trading partner of Russia in this region


China, India Show Interest in North-South Transport Corridor– Azerbaijani FM
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Azerbaijani Foreign Minister said that China, India and other South and Southeast Asian countries have shown interest in the International North-South Transport Corridor.


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Int'l North-South Transport Corridor Project Close to Realization
BAKU (Sputnik) – China, India and other South and Southeast Asian countries have shown interest in the International North-South Transport Corridor (INSTC) that will link Central Asia, Iran, the Caucasus region, Europe and Russia via a rail and shipping route, Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Elmar Mammadyarov said Tuesday.


"At my meetings with the representatives of China, India and other South, Southeast Asian countries, they showed great interest in this project [INSTC], which is advantageous both economically and in terms of time and are looking forward to the launch of the route," the minister was quoted as saying by the local AZERTAC news agency.

The Qazvin-Rasht-Astara railway line between Iran and Azerbaijan, which is now being constructed, will be an important part of the INSTC, the minister added.

The INSTC project envisages the construction of transport and infrastructure facilities along the shipping route through India, Iran, Azerbaijan, Russia and North Europe. The project is aimed at reducing the costs and the time of railroad and maritime deliveries between the countries located along the route.

The agreement on the INSTC project was signed in 2012. Among the signatories and acceding countries are Russia, Iran, India, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkey, Ukraine, Belarus, Oman and Syria. Bulgaria has an observer status in the project.

Of course it is operational. Azerbaijan was part of the old USSR. It has transport links with Russia. All you need is a connection into Iran.

Yes. The missing link was the 10 kilometers of length of the railway, with around 8 kilometers falling to a share of Azerbaijan and two kilometers passing through the Iranian territory.
 
It could be other way too. Any trade with India would pass through Iran. Russia, Iran and Indiaare founding members of the INSTC project and India is the biggest trading partner of Russia in this region

Apart from every thing else.......

"One year after the Iran signed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action with the P5+1 states, the deal has not lived up to expectations. Iran recently launched a nuclear-capable missile, violating a UN Security Council resolution (which prohibits any Iranian nuclear launch or test). Further, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has vowed that Iran “will not cooperate with America over the regional crisis, Their aims in the region are 180 degrees opposed to Iran’s.” Given this scenario, the prospect of lifting of all sanctions on Iran is again in doubt. The uncertainty regarding sanctions could undeniably have negative consequences for the India-Iran Chabahar deal. Gwadar has no such problems.There are no restrictions on China’s investment anywhere nor is Pakistan subject to any kind of UN sanctions. Furthermore, China holds veto power on the UN Security Council — thus even in the case of a proposed resolution that could impact Gwadar, China could veto the move and continue its economic ventures with Pakistan.

Despite enhanced Indo-Afghan diplomatic, political, and economic connections, Pakistan’s role and influence in Afghanistan has not withered. Though the central government of Afghanistan leans more toward India, Pakistan has connections with several ethnic groups who represent a major portion of Afghan society.

There is no economic competition between Pakistan and China. Chinese investment in Pakistan is also aimed at boosting trade with the rest of Asia, and Pakistan won’t become a hurdle in China’s quest to reach the Middle East and Persian Gulf . That’s because Pakistan is currently on the receiving end of a huge Chinese investment, which will revamp Pakistan’s feeble economic structure. However, the Iran-India dynamic is different. After the July 2015 agreement, Tehran is trying its level best to come into the mainstream international arena by accelerating trade in order to put its jammed economic wheel back on track. Iran will not allow India’s Central Asian dream to come true at the cost of Iranian interests."

http://thediplomat.com/2016/06/5-reasons-gwadar-port-trumps-chabahar/

CPEC is far more capable (Accommodate more ships, it's 100+ births when fully operational) available, secure and accessible, provides land based connectivity that will be upgraded to train access to Pakistan, China and central Asian countries in future, so share your part, make a road and get connected to CPEC. On the other hand American and Iranian relations are not going to be good under TRUMPH administration. I would like to see how Modi go against Americans and go with Chabahar project.
 
Apart from every thing else.......

"One year after the Iran signed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action with the P5+1 states, the deal has not lived up to expectations. Iran recently launched a nuclear-capable missile, violating a UN Security Council resolution (which prohibits any Iranian nuclear launch or test). Further, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has vowed that Iran “will not cooperate with America over the regional crisis, Their aims in the region are 180 degrees opposed to Iran’s.” Given this scenario, the prospect of lifting of all sanctions on Iran is again in doubt. The uncertainty regarding sanctions could undeniably have negative consequences for the India-Iran Chabahar deal. Gwadar has no such problems.There are no restrictions on China’s investment anywhere nor is Pakistan subject to any kind of UN sanctions. Furthermore, China holds veto power on the UN Security Council — thus even in the case of a proposed resolution that could impact Gwadar, China could veto the move and continue its economic ventures with Pakistan.

Despite enhanced Indo-Afghan diplomatic, political, and economic connections, Pakistan’s role and influence in Afghanistan has not withered. Though the central government of Afghanistan leans more toward India, Pakistan has connections with several ethnic groups who represent a major portion of Afghan society.

There is no economic competition between Pakistan and China. Chinese investment in Pakistan is also aimed at boosting trade with the rest of Asia, and Pakistan won’t become a hurdle in China’s quest to reach the Middle East and Persian Gulf . That’s because Pakistan is currently on the receiving end of a huge Chinese investment, which will revamp Pakistan’s feeble economic structure. However, the Iran-India dynamic is different. After the July 2015 agreement, Tehran is trying its level best to come into the mainstream international arena by accelerating trade in order to put its jammed economic wheel back on track. Iran will not allow India’s Central Asian dream to come true at the cost of Iranian interests."

http://thediplomat.com/2016/06/5-reasons-gwadar-port-trumps-chabahar/

CPEC is far more capable (Accommodate more ships, it's 100+ births when fully operational) available, secure and accessible, provides land based connectivity that will be upgraded to train access to Pakistan, China and central Asian countries in future, so share your part, make a road and get connected to CPEC. On the other hand American and Iranian relations are not going to be good under TRUMPH administration. I would like to see how Modi go against Americans and go with Chabahar project.

India can get Chahbahar operational for trade with Afghanistan
I doubt the Americans will object a lot

1) Why you are so sure that in future Russia will not expend it's import and export with other countries if possible?
2) CPEC is Pakistan and Chinese project, so does it means other countries cannot avail it? for example Why IRAN is in CPEC where they can use Chabahar project for the themselves?

So what you are saying is.
I am not going to a shopping mall at my door step just because I am use to purchasing from somewhere else. some people try new opportunities in life, some don't.

By the way the list you are providing is very short.

Russian Imports:
Middle East & North Africa = 2,487,629.99
Sub-Saharan Africa = 1,382,851.09

Russian Export:
Middle East & North Africa = 14,438,344.11
Sub-Saharan Africa = 1,730,231.34

So yes Russian trade figures prove that there is prospect for Russia to expend these trade partners and in volumes in future.

It is possible that Russia could increase export markets as a result of CPEC or NSTC. Name potential new countries or potential products.

Most of the exports to the Middle East are weapons. They are not get to shipped on a land route through CPEC
 
Apart from every thing else.......

"One year after the Iran signed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action with the P5+1 states, the deal has not lived up to expectations. Iran recently launched a nuclear-capable missile, violating a UN Security Council resolution (which prohibits any Iranian nuclear launch or test). Further, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has vowed that Iran “will not cooperate with America over the regional crisis, Their aims in the region are 180 degrees opposed to Iran’s.” Given this scenario, the prospect of lifting of all sanctions on Iran is again in doubt. The uncertainty regarding sanctions could undeniably have negative consequences for the India-Iran Chabahar deal. Gwadar has no such problems.There are no restrictions on China’s investment anywhere nor is Pakistan subject to any kind of UN sanctions. Furthermore, China holds veto power on the UN Security Council — thus even in the case of a proposed resolution that could impact Gwadar, China could veto the move and continue its economic ventures with Pakistan.

Despite enhanced Indo-Afghan diplomatic, political, and economic connections, Pakistan’s role and influence in Afghanistan has not withered. Though the central government of Afghanistan leans more toward India, Pakistan has connections with several ethnic groups who represent a major portion of Afghan society.

There is no economic competition between Pakistan and China. Chinese investment in Pakistan is also aimed at boosting trade with the rest of Asia, and Pakistan won’t become a hurdle in China’s quest to reach the Middle East and Persian Gulf . That’s because Pakistan is currently on the receiving end of a huge Chinese investment, which will revamp Pakistan’s feeble economic structure. However, the Iran-India dynamic is different. After the July 2015 agreement, Tehran is trying its level best to come into the mainstream international arena by accelerating trade in order to put its jammed economic wheel back on track. Iran will not allow India’s Central Asian dream to come true at the cost of Iranian interests."

http://thediplomat.com/2016/06/5-reasons-gwadar-port-trumps-chabahar/

CPEC is far more capable (Accommodate more ships, it's 100+ births when fully operational) available, secure and accessible, provides land based connectivity that will be upgraded to train access to Pakistan, China and central Asian countries in future, so share your part, make a road and get connected to CPEC. On the other hand American and Iranian relations are not going to be good under TRUMPH administration. I would like to see how Modi go against Americans and go with Chabahar project.


We need to first understand some basics about the objectives and drivers of the two initiatives.

CPEC is one of the trade routes that are part of Chinese OBOR initiative. The main driver is China. The objective is to reach China for import or export. GCC and Africa is at the other end importing or exporting from China. OBOR and CPEC would collapse the moment you take China out of the picture. CPEC is primarily a Road + Water transport corridor. Road Transport is costlier than Rail-Road hence China would be using the existing central Asian Rail-Road network for any trade with Iran, Iraq and Turkey.

On the other hand, INSTC is a multi-lateral initiative. At one end we have EU & Russia and the other end we have Iran, India and SE Asia. So the amount of trade is not dependent on any one participating country. Hence the infrastructure costs are easily justifiable and recoverable. INSTC is primarily a Rail-Road + Water transport corridor.

Deutsche Bahn wants to use INSTC to trade with Iran

By Dipanjan Roy Chaudhury, ET Bureau | Updated: Oct 28, 2016, 11.24 AM IST
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Deutsche Bahn, a leading German railway company, has expressed interest in using INSTC and delivering goods from Europe to Iran via Azerbaijan and vice versa
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NEW DELHI: The International North-South Transport Corridor (INSTC), which carried out the first test shipment this month between India and Russia, has received a shot in the arm with Germany's decision to trade with Iran via this connectivity project.

Deutsche Bahn, a leading German railway company, has expressed interest in using INSTC and delivering goods from Europe to Iran via Azerbaijan and vice versa, according to people familiar with the development. This will boost India's plans to use INSTC to reach not just Russia but also beyond Europe in shorter time than required at present.INSTC is a landand sea-based 7,200 km long network comprising rail, road and water routes that is aimed at reducing costs and travel time for freight transport in a bid to boost trade between Russia, Iran, Central Asia, India and Europe.

The network is expected to provide faster and more efficient trade connectivity between Europe and Southeast Asia, Deutsche Bahn said. A study, conducted by the Federation of Freight Forwarders' Associations in India, showed that INSTC will be 30% cheaper and 40% shorter than the existing routes.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...c-to-trade-with-iran/articleshow/55109430.cms
 
We need to first understand some basics about the objectives and drivers of the two initiatives.

CPEC is one of the trade routes that are part of Chinese OBOR initiative. The main driver is China. The objective is to reach China for import or export. GCC and Africa is at the other end importing or exporting from China. OBOR and CPEC would collapse the moment you take China out of the picture. CPEC is primarily a Road + Water transport corridor. Road Transport is costlier than Rail-Road hence China would be using the existing central Asian Rail-Road network for any trade with Iran, Iraq and Turkey.

On the other hand, INSTC is a multi-lateral initiative. At one end we have EU & Russia and the other end we have Iran, India and SE Asia. So the amount of trade is not dependent on any one participating country. Hence the infrastructure costs are easily justifiable and recoverable. INSTC is primarily a Rail-Road + Water transport corridor.

Deutsche Bahn wants to use INSTC to trade with Iran

By Dipanjan Roy Chaudhury, ET Bureau | Updated: Oct 28, 2016, 11.24 AM IST
Post a Comment

READ MORE ON » Iran | INSTC | German Railway Company | Europe | Deutsche Bahn | Azerbaijan
deutsche-bahn-wants-to-use-instc-to-trade-with-iran.jpg

Deutsche Bahn, a leading German railway company, has expressed interest in using INSTC and delivering goods from Europe to Iran via Azerbaijan and vice versa
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NEW DELHI: The International North-South Transport Corridor (INSTC), which carried out the first test shipment this month between India and Russia, has received a shot in the arm with Germany's decision to trade with Iran via this connectivity project.

Deutsche Bahn, a leading German railway company, has expressed interest in using INSTC and delivering goods from Europe to Iran via Azerbaijan and vice versa, according to people familiar with the development. This will boost India's plans to use INSTC to reach not just Russia but also beyond Europe in shorter time than required at present.INSTC is a landand sea-based 7,200 km long network comprising rail, road and water routes that is aimed at reducing costs and travel time for freight transport in a bid to boost trade between Russia, Iran, Central Asia, India and Europe.

The network is expected to provide faster and more efficient trade connectivity between Europe and Southeast Asia, Deutsche Bahn said. A study, conducted by the Federation of Freight Forwarders' Associations in India, showed that INSTC will be 30% cheaper and 40% shorter than the existing routes.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...c-to-trade-with-iran/articleshow/55109430.cms


Is Trump leading the US on a warpath with Iran?
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/02/trump-leading-warpath-iran-170203105946707.html

INSTC center of attraction is IRAN in serious trouble India need to find other alternative now
 
India is the one of the biggest O&G customer of Iran in spite of sanctions. India still does business with Russia in spite of sanctions. Why do you think it would be any different here?

So you are saying in case of any hostility with US, india at any cost continue trade through INSTC using Iran. Just remember Iran is in CPEC for a reason. The bigger INSTC is the project problems will be especially security plus don't forget the influence of US in Europe.

On the other hand India's leanness towards US is crystal clear. e.g new agreement with US to use Indian air bases is not because US going to pay India rent for that. This is on give and take bases. If you are enjoying some benefits then ready to give some benefits to US also, and soon. To mind you Trump is more pro-Israel then any president. US in this region is for a reason (and the reason is to monitor Iran, Pakistan, China and Russia) not to provide India cover, but use India as a cover.

I think you better watch and wait for time, rather then acting as Govt. of Indian decision maker.
 
So you are saying in case of any hostility with US, india at any cost continue trade through INSTC using Iran. Just remember Iran is in CPEC for a reason. The bigger INSTC is the project problems will be especially security plus don't forget the influence of US in Europe.

On the other hand India's leanness towards US is crystal clear. e.g new agreement with US to use Indian air bases is not because US going to pay India rent for that. This is on give and take bases. If you are enjoying some benefits then ready to give some benefits to US also, and soon. To mind you Trump is more pro-Israel then any president. US in this region is for a reason (and the reason is to monitor Iran, Pakistan, China and Russia) not to provide India cover, but use India as a cover.

I think you better watch and wait for time, rather then acting as Govt. of Indian decision maker.

US is betting big on India. US Manufacturing companies are in the process of moving out of China into South East Asia and India.

The next target would not be Iran but North Korea once US pulls out of China.

Trump is also pro-Hindus like he is Pro-Israel.

US is making foray into India not to check mate Iran but to check mate China at Gwadar.
 
India can get Chahbahar operational for trade with Afghanistan
I doubt the Americans will object a lot

American foreign policy is not there for America not for India. Your doubt in international politics are worthless.

t is possible that Russia could increase export markets as a result of CPEC or NSTC. Name potential new countries or potential products.

Most of the exports to the Middle East are weapons. They are not get to shipped on a land route through CPEC

You better go to world bank web site to find it yourself in much details. And world bank will not show you weapon dealing money.

US is betting big on India. US Manufacturing companies are in the process of moving out of China into South East Asia and India.

The next target would not be Iran but North Korea once US pulls out of China.

Trump is also pro-Hindus like he is Pro-Israel.

US is making foray into India not to check mate Iran but to check mate China at Gwadar.

I think you better be take Indian political decision making in your hand, as you seems very fast taking decision on their behalf, you are totally unable to understand up coming regional dynamics instead making your own mind disconnecting with the reality, in your country love. International politics and countries interests don't goes like that.
 

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