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China and Russia have agreed to allow their currencies to trade against each other in spot inter-bank markets.

China, Russia to dump US dollar for bilateral trade


The motive is to "promote the bilateral trade between China and Russia, facilitate the cross-border trade settlement of [the yuan], and meet the needs of economic entities to reduce the conversion cost," according to Chinese officials.



This latest move -- a continuation in a series of efforts by both countries to move away from U.S. dollar usage in international trade -- further threatens the dollar's reserve currency status.

The dollar has this status because it is currently the currency of international trade.

For example, when Malaysia and Germany exchange goods, the transaction is often denominated in dollars. In particular, oil -- something that all modern economies need -- is denominated in U.S. dollars, so the currency is almost as indispensable as oil itself.



The dollar reserve currency status allows the U.S. to run up high deficits and have its debt be denominated in the U.S. dollar, which in turn enables it to print unlimited dollars and inflate its way out of debt. America, understandably, wants to protect these privileges.



In fact, some allege that the U.S. wants to protect this status so badly that it invaded Iraq because the country began selling oil in euros instead of dollars. Now, the U.S. is allegedly threatening Iran because of the country's desire to use euros or Russian rubles in oil transactions
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Meanwhile, China and Russia are gradually revolting against the U.S. dollar. This latest move to shift bilateral trade away from it is significant in itself because China-Russian trade -- previously denominated in dollars -- is currently around $40 billion per year. For Russia, trade with China is larger than trade with the U.S.



Moreover, as this policy extends to Russian exports of oil and natural gas to China, it threatens the global "petro-currency" status of the U.S. dollar.



According to the International Energy Agency, China is already the largest consumer of energy, although the U.S. is still the largest consumer of oil. However, China, now the largest automobile market in the world, is expected to rapidly increase oil consumption.



Russia is already the second biggest oil exporter and the biggest natural gas exporter in the world.



In other words, the growing importance of Russia and China in the global energy picture -- and their phasing out of dollar usage for trading energy commodities -- would marginalize the status of the dollar.


Russian ambitions against the dollar for energy exports go back to 2006. That year, former President Vladimir Putin made plans to set up a ruble-denominated oil and natural gas stock exchange in Russia.



"The ruble must become a more widespread means of international transactions. To this end, we need to open a stock exchange in Russia to trade in oil, gas, and other goods to be paid for with rubles…Our goods are traded on global markets. Why are they not traded in Russia," said Putin, according to RIA Novosti.



For China, it is promoting the use of yuan as a trade settlement currency in Asia. Recently, it allowed its currency to trade against the Malaysian ringgit. Just like the deal with Russia, the purpose of that agreement was to "promote bilateral trade between China and Malaysia and facilitate using the yuan to settle cross-border trade."



Trade is the major reason for the demand of foreign currencies in the first place. So as countries like China and Russia phase out the usage of U.S. dollars for international trade -- including but not limited to oil trade -- its status as the world's reserve currency will continue to slide.




Excellant another nail in the coffin of Pax America and some are in denial and say China & Russia are not working against US interests?
 
China-Russia currency agreement further threatens U.S. dollar

............................ because China-Russian trade -- previously denominated in dollars -- is currently around $40 billion per year. ........................

Excellant another nail in the coffin of Pax America and some are in denial and say China & Russia are not working against US interests?

It is going to to take a LOT more than mere $40 billion dollars worth of mutual trade to have any impact. I think the technical description is similar to "xxxxing" in the ocean. :D
 
China buys gold, challenges US dollar

WikiLeaks cables allege that China is buying gold to weaken the US dollar's supremacy as the world's reserve currency.
Chris Arsenault Last Modified: 13 Sep 2011 15:16

China is shifting some of its massive foreign holdings into gold and away from the US dollar, undermining the dollar's role as the world's reserve currency, according to a recently released WikiLeaks cable.

"They [the US and Europe] intend to weaken gold's function as an international reserve currency. They don’t want to see other countries turning to gold reserves instead of the US dollar or Euro," stated the 2009 cable, quoting Chinese Radio International. "China's increased gold reserves will thus act as a model and lead other countries towards reserving more gold."

The cable is titled "China increases its gold reserves in order to kill two birds with one stone". Taken together with recent policy announcements from Chinese banking officials, it may signal moves by China to eventually replace the US dollar as the world's reserve currency.

China buys gold, challenges US dollar - Features - Al Jazeera English
 
It is going to to take a LOT more than mere $40 billion dollars worth of mutual trade to have any impact. I think the technical description is similar to "xxxxing" in the ocean. :D

come on cheng for FUXX sake wake up man google demise of dollar are you blind?? this is not the only thing that is happening. look at articles in 2010. eg: The demise of the dollar - Business News - Business - The Independent

The chinese will do it over a period of time so as not to have adverse effect on themselves.

If you look at world govts US dollar holdings they have been reduced over the last 10 years from 70% to 60%. There will come a time within 10 years when they hit the tipping point
 
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If you look at world govts US dollar holdings they have been reduced over the last 10 years from 70% to 60%. There will come a time within 10 years when they hit the tipping point

From 70% to 60% of WHAT exactly? A source for that statistic please.

10 years is a lifetime in financial terms.

And oil will be denominated in dollars for a long time to come. Even your story by Fisk is from 2009; not much has come from all those secret meetings, has it?
 
From 70% to 60% of WHAT exactly? A source for that statistic please.

10 years is a lifetime in financial terms.

And oil will be denominated in dollars for a long time to come. Even your story by Fisk is from 2009; not much has come from all those secret meetings, has it?

go on mr opinionator its even on wikipedia Reserve currency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia its the graph on the right
 
From 70% to 60% of WHAT exactly?. Even your story by Fisk is from 2009; not much has come from all those secret meetings, has it?

it is a g-r-a-d-u-a-l and slow process. for example chinese could destroy US dollar as reserve currency overnight by dumping their holdings. however cos that would make their own holdings worthless they are doing it slowly. Have you never tried to sell a large block of shares outside market size in a publically quoted comany?? its exactly the same principle.
 
go on mr opinionator its even on wikipedia Reserve currency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia its the graph on the right

Okay, so your source indicates the allocated vs unallocated reserves and their trends. So what?

References 7 to 10 that claim a risk to the dollar's status are not robust.

It even says at the top "This article needs attention from an expert on the subject." i.e. the whole article is NOT written by an expert. :D

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it is a g-r-a-d-u-a-l and slow process. ..............

Yes, so s l o o o o o w that at least not for the foreseeable future is this a realistic risk. So what?
 
Okay, so your source indicates the allocated vs unallocated reserves and their trends. So what?

References 7 to 10 that claim a risk to the dollar's status are not robust.

---------- Post added at 07:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:04 PM ----------



Yes, so s l o o o o o w that at least not for the foreseeable future is this a realistic risk. So what?

you are kidding me cheng?? why do you feel it necessary to defend america on something you know or have very little understanding. No disrespect but I have looked at some of your earlier posts on the US economy and at time it shows at best a very superfical understanding of the subject. It s late here in the UK and I was never into teaching so I mught come back to you tom if im in a humorous mood to take the cheng out of you, take care
 
when world trade is done in non-dollar currencies, the demand for dollars will decrease and US inflation will rise as less countries willing to hold dollars as its supply increasses.

china is the largest exporter, if china decides that it will accept many currencies for its goods, the demand for dollars will diminish as the dollar will have competition.

the dollar is the reserve currency because world trade is invoiced and traded in dollars and investing transactions are done in dollars.

US dollars held as reserves by world central banks has fallen from 70% in 2000 to around 60% today.
that pace of decline will accelerate as there will be less reason to hold more dollar reserves and the demand for other currencies as reserves increasse.

china using the yuan to settle trade with differet countries will challenge the monopoly status of the dollar as the reserve currency. china is creating a bond market called dim sum bonds so foreign nations can use its yuan from trade settlememts and invest them in the chinese bond market.

US is seriously worried about this.

U.S. sees China’s currency as threat to dollar - The Globe and Mail
 
when world trade is done in non-dollar currencies, the demand for dollars will decrease and US inflation will rise as less countries willing to hold dollars as its supply increasses.

china is the largest exporter, if china decides that it will accept many currencies for its goods, the demand for dollars will diminish as the dollar will have competition.

the dollar is the reserve currency because world trade is invoiced and traded in dollars and investing transactions are done in dollars.

US dollars held as reserves by world central banks has fallen from 70% in 2000 to around 60% today.
that pace of decline will accelerate as there will be less reason to hold more dollar reserves and the demand for other currencies as reserves increasse.

china using the yuan to settle trade with differet countries will challenge the monopoly status of the dollar as the reserve currency. china is creating a bond market called dim sum bonds so foreign nations can use its yuan from trade settlememts and invest them in the chinese bond market.

US is seriously worried about this.

U.S. sees China’s currency as threat to dollar - The Globe and Mail

It is merely a potential risk and that too many years away yet, and a lot can happen to change that, as I am sure it will.
 
It is merely a potential risk many years away yet, and lot can happen to change that, as I am sure it will.

Cheng i went to bed, then thought id look at my iphone and I saw your comment. come on mate Im really sorry to say you are now coming over as a bit dim. It is not a potential risk its inevitable and its only a matter of time. in Empire terms the sun has set. Im gobsmacked at your incredulous & flawed position. There will come a time if it hasnt already when you will say something that make sense and people will dismiss it cos its you?
 
It is merely a potential risk and that too many years away yet, and a lot can happen to change that, as I am sure it will.

dude u are absolutely utterly clueless on basic economics.

u dont know the basics on how a reserve currency comes about and how a reserve currency is maintained.

dollar is a fiat currency, its based on faith, confidence in a currency can be lost very quickly based on market forces.

its not a possible risk, its a guarantee the US dollar wont be the only reserve currency in 10 years if these trends continue.

as the demand decreases and supply increases, many will flee from the dollar and inflation in the US will skyrocket.

the US economy is a ponzi scheme based on the dollar being the reserve currency, if u take the dollar's reserve currency away, the entire US economy will fall as they will have to run an economy the way everyone else runs it, based on savings, production, underconsumption, balanced budget, sustainable debt.
the interest rates on US debts will soar.

reserve currency gives u massive priviledges over others as u are able to issue any amount of debt and run massive deficits and print as much money as u want as long as the rest of the world absorbs those extra dollars from the open market. since world trade and world commodities are invoiced and traded in dollars, there is a constant demand for dollars and US inflation is held in check, but once countries start using other currencies, the monopoly status of the dollar is diminished and less countries will absorb those extra dollars as their need for dollars decreases, this will increase inflation in the US and the US ability to print so much money will be diminished.

with the US doing quantitative easing(printing money) to stimulate its economy, the US has asked the rest of the world to absorb even more dollars which creates massive inflation in those countries as hot money flows and pegged currency means inflation is incresed in the rest of the world. the US has upped the ante, this will only go on for so long.
this is why china is taking steps to use its own currency and other currencies to settle trade.
its going gradually but if china feels its going well so far, china will accelerate that process and the dollar will be under massive pressure.
 

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