China Rearms Bangladesh On The Cheap

[Zabaniyah]

Since August 2010, a test JF-17 has been flying with an indigenous WS-13 turbofan. A further improved higher-thrust Ws-13 will be introduce shortly. Also, a block 2 version with AESA and airframe modifications is also in development.

It's still powered by a Russia engine.

It makes no sense for BD to purchase aircraft like SU-30 as India already has it and knows pretty much all there is about it's capabilities and weaknesses. The Jf-17 would be a complete unknown to India and would be better for BD with it's scarce resources.

I agree, the list is odd. I mean, choosing between an SU-30 and an F-16 is like choosing between an SUV and a bicycle.

As far as the SU-30 is concerned, there are several variants of it. The one we might get is the one similar to the PLAAF variant (SU-30MKK).

Although, I am not sure if a twin-engined aircraft will be in the best interests of the BAF. Especially considering that it is in the heavy category.

The best thing about Jf-17 is it's very low price of 20 million, which would be around half that of any other fighter.

Anti-Pakistan Awami league morons have screwed over BD again!

It is a realistic bird for the BAF. Although, I have heard that they weren't interested in it. But instead interested on the J-10B, which I doubt that the Chinese would be willing to provide.

It's hard to prove if the matter is political or technical.

If wallet allows, the Gripen or F-16 are the way to go.

 

[UKBengali]

It's still powered by a Russia engine.



I agree, the list is odd. I mean, choosing between an SU-30 and an F-16 is like choosing between an SUV and a bicycle.

As far as the SU-30 is concerned, there are several variants of it. The one we might get is the one similar to the PLAAF variant (SU-30MKK).

Although, I am not sure if a twin-engined aircraft will be in the best interests of the BAF. Especially considering that it is in the heavy category.



It is a realistic bird for the BAF. Although, I have heard that they weren't interested in it. But instead interested on the J-10B, which I doubt that the Chinese would be willing to provide.

It's hard to prove if the matter is political or technical.

If wallet allows, the Gripen or F-16 are the way to go.

Operationally the J-10B would be by far the best aircraft for BD to procure as it has both the technical capabilities and also the "unknown" factor to India. Myanmar with it's much smaller population will never ever be a credible threat to BD unlike India.

One reason why China might be hesitant to give this to BD is that BD may not be trustworthy as regards passing on it's capabilities to India and the US.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Operationally the J-10B would be by far the best aircraft for BD to procure as it has both the technical capabilities and also the "unknown" factor to India. Myanmar with it's much smaller population will never ever be a credible threat to BD unlike India.

Actually, Myanmar's military is a lot larger than ours, and they have tremendous amounts of natural resources. Also, their troops are real hardcore, I've met a couple of former ones during my long stay in Thailand. I know well enough not to mess with those guys.

Although I do want good relations with the country, we mustn't ignore them as long as the ruling junta remains in power. But don't worry, the US has our back on that one.

One reason why China might be hesitant to give this to BD is that BD may not be trustworthy as regards passing on it's capabilities to India and the US.

Our military is different organization from the government, AND a major stakeholder in the politics of Bangladesh. The given misrule the uncertainty that resulted from the two begums over the years only contributed more to the factor. The military is a state within a state, and there are reasons for that.

The BN did conduct exercises with the USN. If you noticed, none of the Chinese-build ships ever took part in those exercises. So yes, they can maintain confidentiality.

The J-10B is undoubtedly a good fighter. But we have to understand that China's potential to produce top-notch aircraft in large numbers is limited. They have their own needs, and there's Pakistan which is a very important ally and customer. The PAF is going to be the only foreign customer who will get the focus for the J-10B for some years to come.

So frankly, us getting J-10B is very, very unlikely.

Politics and possible technology transfer are potentially possible reasons as well.

Might as well look at the F-16 blk 60 and Gripen Though, they don't come cheap!

 

[Adnan Faruqi]

I think the decision was between going for J-17 altogether or getting cheaper F-7 along with a superior fighter like Su-30 or F-16.

As long as China not betting on JF-17 there will be very few countries interested in that aircraft as the future is very uncertain.

you said it not mine words.

 

[Avisheik]

Actually, Myanmar's military is a lot larger than ours, and they have tremendous amounts of natural resources. Also, their troops are real hardcore, I've met a couple of former ones during my long stay in Thailand. I know well enough not to mess with those guys.

Although I do want good relations with the country, we mustn't ignore them as long as the ruling junta remains in power. But don't worry, the US has our back on that one.



Our military is different organization from the government, AND a major stakeholder in the politics of Bangladesh. The given misrule the uncertainty that resulted from the two begums over the years only contributed more to the factor. The military is a state within a state, and there are reasons for that.

The BN did conduct exercises with the USN. If you noticed, none of the Chinese-build ships ever took part in those exercises. So yes, they can maintain confidentiality.

The J-10B is undoubtedly a good fighter. But we have to understand that China's potential to produce top-notch aircraft in large numbers is limited. They have their own needs, and there's Pakistan which is a very important ally and customer. The PAF is going to be the only foreign customer who will get the focus for the J-10B for some years to come.

So frankly, us getting J-10B is very, very unlikely.

Politics and possible technology transfer are potentially possible reasons as well.

Might as well look at the F-16 blk 60 and Gripen Though, they don't come cheap!

Actually bro, their military uses a lot of children as soldiers. The soldiers you have met might seem tough but actually around a quater of them are malnourished(speaking from experience). I think there is a high chance that the govt will go for russian mig 29 and su 30, compared to gripen or f 16. Even though gripen is the best choice

 

[UKBengali]

Actually, Myanmar's military is a lot larger than ours, and they have tremendous amounts of natural resources. Also, their troops are real hardcore, I've met a couple of former ones during my long stay in Thailand. I know well enough not to mess with those guys. !

Only reason why Myanmar is currently any kind of threat is that they have a superior airforce than BD. They have 32 Mig-29 and have 20 more in order. BD only has 8 Mig-29s in answer.

Rather than place an order for JF-17s, the BD government has ordered F-7s that would be shooting practice for the soon to be more than 50 Myanmese Mig-29s. China will deliver 50 JF-17s to Pakistan by next year on an emergency basis, so I see no reason why they also cannot deliver a couple of squadrons to BD as well 6 months down the line.

The BD army and navy can deal with their Burmese counterparts.

Although Burma has more natural resources, BD has a much larger economy and is actually developing quicker. Over the long run it will pose very little threat to BD as long as BD is sensible in it's defence procurement.

The J-10B is undoubtedly a good fighter. But we have to understand that China's potential to produce top-notch aircraft in large numbers is limited. They have their own needs, and there's Pakistan which is a very important ally and customer. The PAF is going to be the only foreign customer who will get the focus for the J-10B for some years to come.

So frankly, us getting J-10B is very, very unlikely.

Politics and possible technology transfer are potentially possible reasons as well.

Might as well look at the F-16 blk 60 and Gripen Though, they don't come cheap!

After around 2015, when both China and Pakistan have fufilled their immediate needs then I think that China may be willing to sell J-10B to countries like BD. WS-10A/B engine production would easily run into the hundreds(around 100 of these engines are now being produced) a year by then and the Chinese would be able to produce dozens of these jets a year then.

As far as getting aircraft like the F-16 or Gripen are concerned, just how juch use can BD have for them when the US wants to set up India as a potential proxy country to fight China?

The Gripen is handicapped by the fact that it uses a US made engine and the radar is of UK origin and we all know that the UK is a US lapdog.


The most sensible option would have been for BD to have ordered around 40-50 Jf-17s now and then a similar number of J-10bs in 5 years time if that is possible. BD can afford this as it's 120 billion economy is growing at around 7% a year. Gone are the days when BD actually needed to rely on gifted military hardware as it has the cash now.

 

[Avisheik]

Only reason why Myanmar is currently any kind of threat is that they have a superior airforce than BD. They have 32 Mig-29 and have 20 more in order. BD only has 8 Mig-29s in answer.

Rather than place an order for JF-17s, the BD government has ordered F-7s that would be shooting practice for the soon to be more than 50 Myanmese Mig-29s. China will deliver 50 JF-17s to Pakistan by next year on an emergency basis, so I see no reason why they also cannot deliver a couple of squadrons to BD as well 6 months down the line.

The BD army and navy can deal with their Burmese counterparts.

Although Burma has more natural resources, BD has a much larger economy and is actually developing quicker. Over the long run it will pose very little threat to BD as long as BD is sensible in it's defence procurement.







After around 2015, when both China and Pakistan have fufilled their immediate needs then I think that China may be willing to sell J-10B to countries like BD. WS-10A/B engine production would easily run into the hundreds(around 100 of these engines are now being produced) a year by then and the Chinese would be able to produce dozens of these jets a year then.

As far as getting aircraft like the F-16 or Gripen are concerned, just how juch use can BD have for them when the US wants to set up India as a potential proxy country to fight China?

The Gripen is handicapped by the fact that it uses a US made engine and the radar is of UK origin and we all know that the UK is a US lapdog.


The most sensible option would have been for BD to have ordered around 40-50 Jf-17s now and then a similar number of J-10bs in 5 years time if that is possible. BD can afford this as it's 120 billion economy is growing at around 7% a year. Gone are the days when BD actually needed to rely on gifted military hardware as it has the cash now.

Actually we can just invest in good SAM systems and air defence networks to neutralise the migs. Furthermore, their migs are quite old.

I agree with you jf17 would have been a better choice, however, they will not win a mig19 in one on one action.

Myanmer spends 4.75%(2.04Bil) on military), we spend around 1%(1.33bil). If the need arises, i am sure we can go for extra weapons easily.

You know if china india fights, the whole world will be sunk into poverty including america.

So how exactly a gripen is handicapped by using tech from US or Britain?? It is still a better plane than jf17 or j10 IMO

You know the cost of taking care of 50 jf 17? its better to have less fighters but very effective ones