China needs tens of millions of new workers

[obj 705A]

Future manufacturing will mostly be automised and based on AI, requiring very minimum human involvement.

there is a limit to how much you can use machines to replace people, the idea that no matter how much the population drops machines can always replace them is an illusion to convince one's self that declining populations aren't a national security issue, if it was that simple then midget states like Luxemborg can easly become a super power by buying dozens of millions of machines.

 

[Beast]

there is a limit to how much you can use machines to replace people, the idea that no matter how much the population drops machines can always replace them is an illusion to convince one's self that declining populations aren't a national security issue, if it was that simple then midget states like Luxemborg can easly become a super power by buying dozens of millions of machines.

Limit is only set by human... The days of AI and massive automation is coming and China will start a third economy revolution.

 

[Yaseen1]

when cranes came people who used to lift heavy weights feared that they will lose jobs but it created new job of crane operators similar will be case with automation

there is a limit to how much you can use machines to replace people, the idea that no matter how much the population drops machines can always replace them is an illusion to convince one's self that declining populations aren't a national security issue, if it was that simple then midget states like Luxemborg can easly become a super power by buying dozens of millions of machines.

 

[obj 705A]

Limit is only set by human... The days of AI and massive automation is coming and China will start a third economy revolution.

well then if machines can replace people to that extent I guess it's only a matter of time before Luxemborg's economy becomes the size of Italy, after few decades from now when AI becomes advanced enough they will start buying dozens of millions of AI powered machines to compensate for their population.

 

[letsrock]

But why are so many chinese in these forums generally so scared of foreign workers. After all was not china formed on the communist priciples of workers of the world unite. It will be sad if china turns more etho centric and fails to recognize humanity of others as it prospers. Not to mention that it will slow down its prosperity as well.

 

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The issue is, there are still internal Chinese migrants willing to work cheap in China, not as cheap as before but still cheap, especially those from western China. Foreign workers can be imported for political concessions I suppose.

 

[letsrock]

The issue is, there are still internal Chinese migrants willing to work cheap in China, not as cheap as before but still cheap, especially those from western China. Foreign workers can be imported for political concessions I suppose.

These practical arguements are fine if they are really practical and not an excuse to hide xenophobia. Ofcourse the first responsibility of chinese govt is towards chinese people. But what i have seen is several chinese having disgust and fear at the thought of foreign workers. There is no way easier for devlopment than availability of good workers worldwide. Look at USA there is always a long line of people to do extreme low end brutal work for cheap (mexicans) at high end cutting edge programming (indians, chinese, europeans) despite all its strict visa regulations. Its the attraction of usa that provides it so many benefits without lifting a finger. Its so hard to find people to work in most of the world even in poor countries.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I welcome anyone who shares secular Chinese values, respects Chinese law and wants to work in China, to move to China.

 

[casual]

I actually predict the opposite in the coming years. China will have a surplus of unskilled labor that will be automated away. As for skilled labor, china will always need them.

 

[Paul2]

The issue is, there are still internal Chinese migrants willing to work cheap in China, not as cheap as before but still cheap, especially those from western China. Foreign workers can be imported for political concessions I suppose.

Not happening. Rural localities have already sent most of their youth to cities, even ones from Western China. Whomever could move to the South, did it already over the last 2 decades. Henan for example was the most populous province, but now is a place with mostly middle aged people because of youth outflow.

Sichuan looks relatively young, but people from there don't go South because they have Chongqing, and the industry there is more or less robust on itself.

Limit is only set by human... The days of AI and massive automation is coming and China will start a third economy revolution.

They are really not coming. All of that is in imagination of people who never held a screwdriver in their hands.

But why are so many chinese in these forums generally so scared of foreign workers.

Few years of ideological reeducation in the North East will fix their attitudes. Those people fail to recognise that people ready to go to other side of the globe to do business are already a better selection of their populations, mostly in the prime working age, enough cash to live and not get deported on day one, and useful skills that allowed them to make that cash in the first place.

How China got its Arabs and Jews in the first place? They are all descendants of foreign merchants that settled in China to sell our wares to the world during Tang, Song, and Ming.

Look, I myself don't want China to repeat mistakes of, say, Turkey. Ottomans were for years importing useful foreigners, and tolerating rich Greeks. Then, the new "secular" Turkey (which was in reality ran by a clique of old money elites) spends decades purging them, and the bigger part of its creative and industrialist classes, doing enormous economic harm to itself in the process.

 

[Viva_Viet]

280 mil Cnese worker dont have stable jobs and can not pay back home loan. Even too many Cnese workers aslo dont have good jobs now.

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Global Economy
China’s migrant workers worried by dwindling jobs, low pay, as US trade war impact runs deep

• China has some 280 million migrant workers, but factories are downsizing, cutting overtime and even relocating overseas
• Mood of factory workers underlines outlook from purchasing managers' index and export order as Trump administration tariffs hit orders

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sc...ant-workers-worried-dwindling-jobs-low-pay-us

 

[Paul2]

280 mil Cnese worker dont have stable jobs and can not pay back home loan. Even too many Cnese workers aslo dont have good jobs now.

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Global Economy
China’s migrant workers worried by dwindling jobs, low pay, as US trade war impact runs deep

• China has some 280 million migrant workers, but factories are downsizing, cutting overtime and even relocating overseas
• Mood of factory workers underlines outlook from purchasing managers' index and export order as Trump administration tariffs hit orders

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sc...ant-workers-worried-dwindling-jobs-low-pay-us

What a piece of nonsense. Go to zhaopin.com and look for yourself where there are "no jobs." Salaries for experienced factory workers been rising non-stop.

Experienced manufacturing worker can easily look for CNY 10-12k a month (35 million Vietnamese dongs)

 

[Viva_Viet]

What a piece of nonsense. Go to zhaopin.com and look for yourself where there are "no jobs." Salaries for experienced factory workers been rising non-stop.

Experienced manufacturing worker can easily look for CNY 10-12k a month (35 million Vietnamese dongs)

Then why Hwei boss willing to cut his staff's salaries ?? Why even a biggest CN company also wanna fire the employee now ??

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They either form a 'commando squad' to explore new projects -- in which case they could be promoted to company commander if they do well. Or they can find jobs in the internal market. If they fail to find a role, their salaries will be cut every three months.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.androidcentral.com/huawei-explains-its-live-or-die-plan-survive-us-tariff-increases?amp

 

[casual]

Then why Hwei boss willing to cut his staff's salaries ?? Why even a biggest CN company also wanna fire the employee now ??

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They either form a 'commando squad' to explore new projects -- in which case they could be promoted to company commander if they do well. Or they can find jobs in the internal market. If they fail to find a role, their salaries will be cut every three months.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.androidcentral.com/huawei-explains-its-live-or-die-plan-survive-us-tariff-increases?amp

The same reason why companies restructure or lay off employees. To get rid of low preforming employees and free up headcount to hire more people. I actually think this plan is smart as they are not laying off employees and therefore don't have to pay severance.

 

[Viva_Viet]

The same reason why companies restructure or lay off employees. To get rid of low preforming employees and free up headcount to hire more people. I actually think this plan is smart as they are not laying off employees and therefore don't have to pay severance.

Actually now, I want Cnese employees still get good jobs, so CN factories dont have to move to VN more.

Im too tired for working 10-15 hours/day and no Sunday off just bcs too many orders shifting from CN to VN and working 10-15 hours may only end untill Lunar new year.