China launches amphibious assault ship, giving a big boost to its coastal warfare capabilities

[rott]

Poor Taiwan.

Says a fake Japanese.

 

[Suika]

So you admit it's part of qing? May I know Okinawa is under Japan for how many centuries? Pls don't be selective in your judging. Use on standard on one but another one on others just make you hypocrite.

Admit? You would like "admit". Basic Chinese history and the changes in territory throughout the many dynasties. Malaysia, Singapore, and so on were once part of the British empire just like Taiwan was once part of Qing. That's all. But Taiwan today is not part of the PRC. The PRC was born from the Chinese communist. They did not inheret Taiwan nor were able to retake by force like it was with Tibet. Only way is "might makes right". All other views, no, Taiwan is not part of PRC.

Taiwan is part of China territory, up to China how to reunification Taiwan with China.

No, Its not. It was part of Spanish territory before Qing even. And Taiwan did better as part of Imperial Japab than it did when part of Qing. But today, Taiwanese want Taiwan. That is their identity.

 

[Beast]

Admit? You would like "admit". Basic Chinese history and the changes in territory throughout the many dynasties. Malaysia, Singapore, and so on were once part of the British empire just like Taiwan was once part of Qing. That's all. But Taiwan today is not part of the PRC. The PRC was born from the Chinese communist. They did not inheret Taiwan nor were able to retake by force like it was with Tibet. Only way is "might makes right". All other views, no, Taiwan is not part of PRC.

See how try to avoid my inquiry. BTW,, you haven't answer me yet. History tells you, Taiwan is part of China. From Ming royalist to Qing dynasty. Chinese history there is deep rooted. You can even tell 1000 lies but Taiwan will still be part of China. PRC inherit legacy of past China territories claim. Even Japan and US recognise Taiwan is part of China. Who are you to tell me what is what? Are you king of Martian or something out of this world? Or are you nothing?

 

[Suika]

See how try to avoid my inquiry. BTW,, you haven't answer me yet. History tells you, Taiwan is part of China. From Ming royalist to Qing dynasty. Chinese history there is deep rooted. You can even tell 1000 lies but Taiwan will still be part of China. PRC inherit legacy of past China territories claim. Even Japan and US recognise Taiwan is part of China. Who are you to tell me what is what? Are you king of Martian or something out of this world? Or are you nothing?

Ming hardly counts.

Here's why. The Ming erupted into civil war. The loyalist Ming vs the Manchus from the north and and former Ming that changed sides tovthe Manchus. The island of Taiwan was not part of China at this time. And stretching back the long history of 3000 or so years, Taiwan had never been part of any dynasty of China. As the Ming civil war went on, the Ming side was losing. The Manchu side was winning. So the Ming wanted to escape. And that escape route was abondoning the mainland and invading Spanish/dutch held Formosa. So the Ming only got Formosa because they were running away. That's it. Ming remained there for a few years until the Qing went across to wipe out the rest of the Ming. And Qing stayed. That is not a natural evolution of expanding Chinese realm. It was run away expansion. You saying Malaysia is still part of Great Britain? You saying Vietnam is still part of France? You saying Taiwan is still part of Japan?

If it is the will of the Taiwanese to be oart of China, they will take that initiative on their own. But if they do not the self-drive interest to do that, then expect support to them by other countries, particularly Japan, since they are not going to accept Taiwan become a CCP island, making it easier for the PLAN to send warships into the underside of Japan.

There are two legitimate ways for Taiwan to become part of mainland China. One is that the Taiwanese themselves decide to make that choice. But seeing that the CCP sucks and nobody would volunteer to be part of that police-state, then this seems highly unlikely.

The second way is for the CCP to realize that the Taiwanese form of government is superior to the quality of life.. not everyone wants to live a life like nationalistic dogs like some of the CCP fanboys on these boards. So if the PRC undergoes political reform that embraced ideas like those spoken by Liu Xiaobo, then Taiwanese would see the mainland as a form of Chinese that is similar to themselves and form a basis of pride in being "Chinese" in a way that includes their values in what a national government ought to be rather than some overbloated state-police control state.

Well the CCP seems unwilling to consider political reform as well.

Which is actually really unfortunate. Because that kind of China could even capture the volunteerily given respect by Japanese and Koreans even. And that could go a long way with what Pan-Asia ideology that may be.

So there you have.

CCP sucks.

Taiwan for Taiwanese.

 

[Paul2]

you cannot have numbers & at the same time having them well armed, the reason why a type 071 costs less than a frigate is because it lacks the weapons, once you give it bigger better radars, sensors, missiles etc.. the price would sky rocket, if it's for Taiwan then having helicopters take off from the mainland is enough to transport about 40k soldiers a day assuming that each helicopter goes back & forth 4 times a day while the Y-20s would airdrop vehicles for transportaion inside Taiwan, if it's for world wide projection of power then having around 17 vessels (9type 075 + 8type 071) is enough for that.
IMO once the first type 075 is ready they should send it to the middle east, there they could use it to deliver humanitarian aid in Yemen & evacuate some dozens of ill people & treat them aboard the ship, may be bring some 100 malnourished Yemeni kid aboard the 075, feed them for few weeks, make sure to film it alot & distribute it to news media, & then send them back to a more secure city in Yemen, that would be great for PR to enhance China's image plus we will see the 075 in action, two birds with one stone.

It's exactly because it's main duty will be to transport the gigantic PLA land force, it will be a big portion of all PLA's surface fleet, and will be the main target for the enemy seeking to deny landing and logistics. All functions other than land force transport will be secondary to it.

That's why armed amphibious groups should be the main player of theatre level operations, capable of autonomous action against threats and targets on sea, land, and in the air to make transoceanic landings happen.

That's the only way to even tickle an enemy behind an ocean.

 

[beijingwalker]

Poor Taiwan.

Taiwan is still better than US occupied Japan.

 

[Suika]

Taiwan is still better than US occupied Japan.

Thank you for that image. It represents you lack any rebuttal arguments.

What would be better is "you have a fair point".

CCP sucks and you know it.

 

[beijingwalker]

Thank you for that image. It represents you lack any rebuttal arguments.

What would be better is "you have a fair point".

CCP sucks and you know it.

I know western lapdog japan sucks, they nuke you, occupy your land and rape your daughters and you don't even dare to put up a fight.

 

[Suika]

I know western lapdog japan sucks, they nuke you, occupy your land and rape your daughters and you don't even dare to put up a fight.

Says the poster who sponsors state police, forced integration, and ethnci cleansing. And saying it to one that has democracy, freedom of speech, freedom to assembly, multi-party system, media hat reflects different political stances, and so on. You've been drinking too much CCP juice.

 

[beijingwalker]

Says the poster who sponsors state police, forced integration, and ethnci cleansing. And saying it to one that has democracy, freedom of speech, freedom to assembly, multi-party system, media hat reflects different political stances, and so on. You've been drinking too much CCP juice.

Lol, no surprise, you bark the same tune that you western master taught you, how pathetic, enjoying being foreign power's lapdog.

 

[Suika]

Lol, no surprise, you bark the same tune that you western master taught you, how pathetic, enjoying being foreign power's lapdog.

PRC wants US military out of Asia Pacific. There are 20,000 personnel of the United States Navy in Japan. They operate a super carrier, an amphibious assualt ship, nuclear submarines, and the usual destroyers, cruisers and so on. No country can host them better than Japan. If PRC wants them out, then Japan understands that its smart to let them stay.

Enjoy dealing with them.

 

[beijingwalker]

PRC wants US military out of Asia Pacific. There are 20,000 personnel of the United States Navy in Japan. They operate a super carrier, an amphibious assualt ship, nuclear submarines, and the usual destroyers, cruisers and so on. No country can host them better than Japan. If PRC wants them out, then Japan understands that its smart to let them stay.

Enjoy dealing with them.

As long as they are not in our lands, we are fine, you guys enjoy your Stockholm syndrome.

 

[Suika]

As long as they are not in our lands, we are fine, you guys enjoy your Stockholm syndrome.

Leave Taiwan, the South China Sea, and the Senkaku islands at peace, then US personnal would no longer be needed and they would finalky be able to stay home themselves.

 

[beijingwalker]

Leave Taiwan, the South China Sea, and the Senkaku islands at peace, then US personnal would no longer be needed and they would finalky be able to stay home themselves.

A very devoted dog I have to give it to you, but both US and Japan recognize Taiwan part of China, lol..

 

[Suika]

A very devoted dog I have to give it to you, but both US and Japan recognize Taiwan part of China, lol..

Maybe you think it is tricky to just say "part of China". But it is only the one-china policy. And that policy does not dictate which is the one and only China. Only that there is one. So then after that policy was adopted, Taiwan succeded in developing democracy in 1996. So then Mainland China joins WTO in 2001 with the idea among many USians that China would too follow the example of democracy. Well China didn't. The US did not abandon its Taiwan Relations Act and continues to ensure that Taiwan has defense capability such as the recent sale of F-16 Vipers. Or how former Mitsubishi submarine designers visited Taiwan for the purpose of helping Taiwan create new indigenous submarines. But keep believing that none of that matters.

Although even face value might also change.
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TAIPEI (Taiwan News) – On Sept. 2, the German newspaper “Die Welt” published an article by Jacques Schuster in which the journalist suggests that in light of China’s recent actions in Hong Kong, Berlin should reconsider diplomatic relations with Taiwan.

The article entitled “the German cowardice towards China” observes that if China in unable to guarantee the rights of Hong Kongers according to its legal obligations, then Germany and the European Union should pursue recognition of Taiwan. Schuster’s piece, published just before Chancellor Angela Merkel’s state visit to Beijing, is very critical of what he sees as Germany’s tendency to act submissive and complacent towards China, despite Berlin’s haughtiness when dealing with own allies.

Schuster singled out Germany’s Foreign Minister Heiko Mass for criticism by calling his recent comments about Hong Kong “meaningless.” Mass recently said that as the situation in Hong Kong deteriorates, all parties should take a step back and make concessions.

He calls out the German government for pretending as though the protestor and Hong Kong authorities, backed by the full power of the Chinese government are on equal footing. Hong Kongers are reminding Beijing and the world of the legal obligation Beijing agreed to in 1984 to protect the rights and freedoms of Hong Kong.

He suggests that Berlin in unwilling to acknowledge the seriousness of the situation, and that it refuses to acknowledge the legal responsibility that Beijing has to the citizens of Hong Kong. Schuster also blasts the Merkel and the European Union’s weakness in dealing with China, describing the EU’s mentality as spineless, and acting out of concern for economic and business relations with no regard to the safety or liberty of the people in Hong Kong.

Schuster suggests that Germany and the EU take a much harder line on relations with China. If China cannot honor the Sino-British Joint Declaration, there are political tools in the EU’s arsenal that can be considered. He mentions diplomatic recognition of Taiwan, as well as the recognition of the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan government in exile as two such possibilities.
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https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3771355